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HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
No, it should be Doug Ford.

e: Also, on the subject of refugees and health care, I saw a comment that wasn't entirely terrible.

quote:

It looks like we've finally figured out how to make conservatives give a crap about the less fortunate in society. On a regular day, conservative commentators and people on facebook would tell a poor person to just get a better job or to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. But as soon as you start talking about giving something to immigrants, well then, that's when they do a 180 and start talking about "taking care of our own" and helping the needy.

So all we need to do to get a consensus on ending poverty in Canada is for the government to start talking about doing something for refugees and immigrants, and conservatives are guaranteed to get on board with helping the needy in Canada.

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HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

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flakeloaf posted:

Ottawa has a "millions of litres of sewage" story every couple of months, so I didn't realize until this morning that they were actually talking about Montreal.

Basically every time it rains.

http://ottawa.ca/en/residents/water-and-environment/sewers-and-septic-systems/overflow-activity

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
Specifically, the rumour is from Frank Magazine.

http://frankmag.ca/2015/11/postmedia-to-shut-down-dailies-in-ottawa-calgary-and-edmonton/

The editor in chief of the Edmonton Journal denies it, but then, she might not even know.

http://albertapolitics.ca/2015/11/so-long-suns-frank-magazine-says-postmedia-will-merge-dailies-in-edmonton-and-calgary/

All Frank is saying is the source is "reliable." Also, they have a sassy rebuttal to denials.

http://frankmag.ca/2015/11/remedial-media-toastmedia-meltdown/

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
Can these poo poo heads just come out and admit that they're Nazis and they want our government to do to Muslims what the Nazis did to the Jews? I know :godwin: and all, but shut up with this "national security" dog-whistle poo poo and come out and straight up say you want the state to murder citizens you don't like.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
Hey Bunny, here's an idea for the Liberals:

Aside from the "they're all secret terrorists" opposition to the refugee crisis, people are also saying, "help real Canadians first."

Can we get JT to vastly improve the social safety net and say, "Yo, there you go, helping the poor and hungry in Canada."

Mostly because I want to see everyone who got mad about not doing that get mad about doing that.

brucio posted:

As if the UNHCR doesn't already screen them. And the CPC knows this. gently caress these clowns.

Right wing talking point is that the UN has been completely taken over and compromised by Muslims so any refugees that have been screened were screened by daesh sympathizers, so we can't trust the UNHCR.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Lassitude posted:

They spent millions of dollars and had a shitload of people working this operation, too. Reading about the ordeals in convincing those two idiots to stop getting high and boning and to finally go about procuring materials for a bomb is hilarious. You can feel the frustration at having worked so long/spent so much money on trying to nab two people who very obviously weren't terrorists and were no threat to anyone.

My favourite parts were when they planned on bombing a rail line that turned out hadn't been used for 40 years, and then when they wanted to bring their cat to the legislature bombing.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

THC posted:

MUSLIMS ARE THE REAL BIGOTS


ITS A RELIGION NOT A RACE



WELCOME TO 1984



WERE LOSING ARE IDENTY


I took the first page worth of Globe comments and ran it through a word cloud generator.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
Pearson and Pierre Trudeau airports will see about 900 refugees a day.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/up-to-900-syrian-refugees-a-day-to-land-in-toronto-montreal-document-1.2666663

Some of them will be sent to Cornwall.

Why are we doing this to them? Why aren't we sending our own homeless to Cornwall? :v:

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Lassitude posted:

You have to be pretty loving stupid to think he called someone an "NDP horde". Is he campaigning on being a level 60 Alliance character?

The NDP would totally be in the Horde though. :orks:

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Stretch Marx posted:

Yeah I think people take comment sections as indications of the population as whole when they're just idiots with too much time on their hands.

It's a lot of the same people over and over again, too. There are comment "stars" that you'll see in every Facebook thread for the CBC, or under every Globe and Mail story. Honestly, I think the news is just porn to them, and the comments are the release.

My point is, don't get it all over your screen. That's nasty.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Rime posted:

Hey guys, remember when the RCMP tried to turn two mentally ill junkies into deadly terrorists?

Mounties may be guilty of knowingly facilitating a terrorist act, says judge

I want to make this into a comedy movie. Paul Gross can play one of the Mounties. :canada:

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
Hug a thug programs: Because if thugs got more hugs, they probably wouldn't be so angry.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
Don't worry, there'll still be plenty of fellas.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
Just get "biohackers" to invent some kind of implant that makes humans able to photosynthesize.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

crowoutofcontext posted:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/france-le-pen-canada-refugees-1.3340209

Good, we're pissing off other nation's lovely far-right parties. This is the first step to gradually regaining our international repute.

I know this is a cliched comment, but Marine Le Pen being against refugees from Muslim-majority areas is not news.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

eXXon posted:

Turn Alberta into a giant kangaroo farm and shrug off the consequences of introducing an invasive species from Australia as you eat delicious lean red steaks every day.

Plus! Kangaroo boxing at Stampede! Everybody wins! :canada: :australia:

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
The Cold Lake mosque was vandalized once before, I think after Charlie Hebdo, and the community came together to clean it up, so I expect the same thing will happen again this time.

Both this, and the one in Peterborough, are lovely things to have happened, but I'm surprised and gladdened that these are the only two that we've heard of so far. I would have expected a few more acts of vandalism, to be honest, after Paris and the last election we had where anti-Muslim rhetoric was a loving debate plank.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Sedge and Bee posted:

It was after the Parliament Hill shooting last year. I hope these do remain isolated incidents going forward. I'm very uncomfortable with the way Trump has been talking. For me, I think one of the bigger effects the internet and general media expansion has had is that Canada is much more saturated with bigotry from other parts of the world than it used to be. Hearing a presidential candidate talk about registering all Muslims and making them wear ID cards, and knowing that there are probably hundreds of thousands of Canadians nodding along with him on Fox, has me somewhat worried about the discourse around things like multiculturalism going forward.

The people in Canada who would be nodding along with Trump already believe multiculturalism has failed. The discourse is already there among the more right-leaning elements of our political scene.

I think you have a point that we're inundated with far more global media influence, especially of the American variety, thanks to the Internet. The web has also contributed to the fracturing of the media landscape. There was a lot more homogeneity among media consumers when there was less media to consume. Nowadays, you can find any "source" willing to give you the news with the spin you want it to have. There are thousands of people who have sworn off traditional media outlets, like the national newspapers or TV networks, in favour of their particular cocktail of independent websites and blogs.

This is not always entirely bad. Citizen journalism has its place, but I think the erosion of trust that the public has in traditional media also plays a role in what you describe.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Hexigrammus posted:

Take out whatever region is responsible for that "prairie friend of the family" term while you're at it.

How do black people feel about these kinds of slurs? There's one for middle-eastern people, too, but it's "sand" instead of "prairie."

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

I too, wonder how black people feel about people getting called "friend of the family"

No, I mean, like, someone is using a slur against black people but against someone else by amending it with some kind of adjective to make a new slur.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
If federal government were to implement mincome, am I correct in assuming that it would either require majority agreement from the provinces, or would provinces be able to opt-out? Most entitlement programs are provincial, so these are the things that would be eliminated if the feds decided to give every Canadian adult $1000 a month, or so.

In a way, it means the Provinces are effectively uploading these costs to the feds, but this also means cutting several provincial government jobs.

Presumably there would be a kind of phase-in/phase-out program, where the departments are made smaller over the course of a few years, with severance packages and the like for redundant employees.

The minimum wage could theoretically be eliminated, or lowered, through a mincome program as well, meaning that if a business CAN staff someone at a much lower wage, they'd be free to do so, because their employees would still have that guaranteed cushion. The flipside being what others have suggested, that workers would have more freedom to pick and choose their work because they don't risk freezing to death because they're not taking the first lovely job to come along.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Cocoham posted:

So if I was to work a minimum wage job, mincome is bumping up my income to minimum wage + mincome welfare? Otherwise I don't see the incentive to work minimum wage jobs. Like you said, who the gently caress wants to work $3.75/hour when you can live fine not working at all, and sit around waiting for the "dream opportunity."

At $800 a month, mincome isn't really "living fine" in a lot of places, especially the cities where 800 a month barely covers a bachelor apartment. The idea is that you have this guaranteed cushion of monthly funds that exists regardless of your employment status, so that if an emergency pops up, you're not completely screwed right away, and you also don't have to deal with tedious bureaucracy like in the case of welfare or EI payments.

I'm sure a handful of people would be content to find a cheap place or some roommates, and live off their mincome and do nothing but sit in a single room and play WoW and surf porn all day, but I very much doubt the vast majority of people would give up on self-fulfilling productivity. Ideally, it would at least mean a chance for many people to improve their educations, or make it a bit easier to take a risk on a business idea. Cabin fever is a real thing.

I'm sure most people will still have their traditional jobs and will still work them, and there will still be a need for some minimum wage grunt work, but not all of it. I guess the real question is, if no one wants to work a particular lovely minimum wage job... does it need to exist?

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

vyelkin posted:

https://www.facebook.com/GlobalNews/videos/934330436614722/

Trudeau's speech at Pearson welcoming refugees. There's a bit in there about giving them SINs and health cards that I like because it will drive conservatives insane. The rest of it I like because it paints a vision of Canada that I want to see more of, as a welcoming and inclusive place.

Canada takes in thousands of refugees a year, and has for decades. We've even taken in Muslim refugees in significant numbers in the past. This is getting a lot of attention for being an election promise and a big PR event for Trudeau, so natch it's going to get people all ratcheted up if they already have a hate-on for Muslims.

I saw a comment on one of these stories were one person went "I hope Trudeau didn't give them a Canada Goose jacket! That's better than most Canadians can afford." and the reply goes, "If you can't compete with an 18 month old refugee with no winter coat, that's not on them, that's on you." :iceburn:

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Professor Shark posted:

I wonder how it feels to be the leader of a party where you have to publicly plead with your voting base to please stop threatening political assassinations over safety regulations.

I wondered this myself, when I saw his post yesterday. What a political climate to work in, where you actually have to make a statement like this. Brian Jean seems like a pretty genuine fella. I don't know him that well, though, so it may just be a political persona, but I do want to give people the benefit of the doubt, and I'll admit I don't follow Alberta politics that closely.

Some of his Facebook followers went on to say Notley the NDP "deserve it" for putting the bill out there in the first place, and everyone's favourite blowhard... we'll call him Ezra L.? No, that's too obvious... E. Levant, is now accusing the NDP legislators who got death threats, of lying about it in the house.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

PT6A posted:

I have no question that Brian Jean honestly believes in the things he says, and does not support killing his opponents, but one should not forget that he and his party are pretty crazy. Remember that the "opposite" of supporting Bill 6 is essentially: "people should be allowed to put their employees in dangerous situations and otherwise expose them to harm."

That's a really hateful thing to support, IMO. The fact that it doesn't actually apply to family members as well is a flaw in the bill, if you ask me. The opposition to Bill 6 in its current incarnation is loving insane.

Has the Wild Rose put forward an opposition to Bill 6 that was anything other than "scrap it"? Have they said what kind of legislation they'd rather see? I don't mean the supporters or other Facebook warriors, but the actual members of the legislature?

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Ikantski posted:

I was actually including the extra two months in that 60% because they changed their 25,000 gov't sponsorships by 2015 to 10,000 gov't and 15,000 private by March 1st, 2016. The other 15,000 gov't sponsorships will happen in 2016 after March 1. The promise was effectively "Hey, we're going to bring in 25,000 gov't sponsored refugees in 2015" and what they're delivering is a rather underwhelming "Hey, we're going to bring in 25,000 gov't sponsored refugees for 2015 and 2016 combined". It's the usual Liberal shell game and I think it's a pretty valid thing to criticize him on.

They said 10,000 of the 25,000 by March 1st will be gov't and they have 3 months to do that, one of which is in 2015. That would distribute about 3,333 gov't sponsored refugees here by Jan 1st meaning they were 87% off on their initial promise and still 60% off by March. WIll they even make 10,000 this year? They have 164 so far and 2.5 weeks to go. Maybe they will keep the shells moving and count privates and gov't sponsorships the conservatives brought in earlier.

It gets worse. The 163 that arrived in Toronto the other day were privately sponsored refugees, but were government assisted, in that they were flown in on an aircraft specifically chartered by the federal government.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
Paging CI.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
The Beaverton has gotten better over the last little while, in my opinion. They still don't have quite the same skill level as the Onion's writing team, but they're not awful. They've given me a few headline chuckles recently.

Syrian refugees successfully integrate into Canadian culture, already hate Toronto

or

Trudeau announces ambitious plan to scale back promises by end of 2015

Where I think they have the most trouble is in quotes. They still write people talking like they're writing a satire piece. Writing realistic dialogue is pretty hard, and it always jumps out at me.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

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Wherein The Rebel proves they're hip with the times.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

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Paging Ikantski

:siren: Two former McGuinty aides charged in gas plants scandal :siren:

quote:

Ontario Provincial Police have laid criminal charges against two former Dalton McGuinty aides, David Livingston and Laura Miller, in connection with the deletion of documents related to two cancelled gas plants.

Each is charged with breach of trust, mischief in relation to data and misuse of a computer system to commit the offence of mischief.

Also of note to B.C. Canpol goons, because Laura Miller is executive director of the B.C. Liberal Party, which is also being investigated for deleted emails! Fun!

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
This is why I intend to one day run on a platform of bringing back gladiatorial fighting pits as a replacement for the criminal justice system. You need to fight this bear, or pack of beavers or something, and if you live, you're innocent.

That, or we get two criminals to fight each other.

Either way, we sell tickets, make a bit of extra revenue for the government that can go into something good, like building bigger coliseums.

The Hate Party: Rights are a Privilege.

:ssh: (This is not a serious post)

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
The Right Wing Media thread is leaking into Canada. I think this counts as an act of aggression.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Baronjutter posted:

I want to be a pro abortion protester.
Did you mean an anti-abortion protester? Or an abortion protester that's a total pro at protesting abortion?

I'm staying amateur so I can protest abortion at the Olympics.

It's the Outrage Olympics.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

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Violet_Sky posted:

Maybe Jack Layton will deliver presents to all the Good little CanPol posters.

He's the real Santa!



Merry Christmas :canada: goons! Justin bless us, every one!

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

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HookShot posted:

From what I saw driving through Calgary that one time I have to assume that's below average.

Fewer people out on the roads today.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
There won't be a referendum on electoral reform.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/liberals-wont-hold-referendum-on-voting-reform/article27942303/

The Globe made a story of this, after Dominic Leblanc was on Question Period on CTV on the weekend. “Our plan is not to have a national referendum. Our plan is to use Parliament to consult Canadians. That has always been our plan and I don’t have any reason to think that’s been changed," he says.

I know Ontario tried electoral reform many years ago by putting it on the ballot during the 2007 election, I think, and it failed miserably, something like 30% voted in favour of getting rid of FPTP. I have to wonder if the same result would happen if it was put to a nationwide vote.

This is funny, though:

G&M posted:

Wilfred Day, a lawyer who is a member of the national council of Fair Vote Canada, which promotes electoral reform, says the Liberals won a majority on a promise to make every vote count and that means they already have a mandate to bring in proportional representation.

Because any form of proportional representation would require changing electoral boundaries, he said, there is not enough time to hold a referendum in which voters have time to digest all of the complicated information and time to redraw constituencies before the next election in 2019.

Abandoning proportional representation and moving instead to a ranked ballot without a referendum is “definitely not” something that Fair Vote Canada would support, Mr. Day said. But he said he is not worried that that is even a possibility.

“I don’t think the Liberals would dare pull a bait and switch and bring in the ranked ballot, which does nothing except help the Liberal Party,” Mr. Day said. “It doesn’t fulfill the promise to make every vote count.”

:mmmhmm:

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

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bunnyofdoom posted:

I have never been to a strip club. I have been going to Vegas yearly for 8 years.

Not even Barefax? Come on, man, even Canadian Senators have been there!

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

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It looks like prison farms may make a return.

http://www.myprescottnow.com/1315/prison-farm-to-re-open-in-kingston/

quote:

Long-time supporters of a federal prison farm program in Kingston are looking forward to the day when the animals will be returning to jail. The farm that ran out of the Frontenac Institution was once considered one of Canada’s best run dairy operations. It was shut down five years ago, after then-minister of public safety Vic Toews said inmates were not learning any relevant skills on the farm.

The animals were sold off, many of them to a grass-roots co-op with supporters like Margaret Atwood and Conrad Black. Mark Gerretsen, MP for Kingston and the Islands, says the decision to close the farm was weird and short-sighted. Working with the animals gave inmates core skills of teamwork, independence and responsibility.

Gerretsen is going to make sure the government follows through on its commitment to reopen the prison farm, at Collins Bay Penitentiary. The vision for the new farm is smaller scale, with opportunities for green energy, growing food for the homeless and food banks in Kingston.

Unfortunately there's no timeline mentioned in this story, but it looks like the Liberals are planning to bring at least this farm back.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Nine of Eight posted:

Happy New Year (Eastern time) Canpol goons! May the new year bring us real change (tm) as we move away from poutinechat and beerchat and the Conservative leadership race hopefully brings us a few laughs.

I want the Conservative leadership race to have 25 candidates, because the party imploded and the power vacuum created by Harper's departure will bring the knives out in droves.

Also, I want one of them to be Doug Ford, so we can have our own Donald Trump.

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HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

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Cultural Imperial posted:

As we head into 2016 and the economy starts tanking, I look forward to Canadians showing their true colors and revealing how they really feel about syrian refugees. Oh but we're better than Americans right? There's nothing like a little personal bankruptcy to bring out the hate crimes

Canadians are not shy about telling you how they feel about Syrian refugees if you open up any comments section under any story about anything related to refugees or Justin Trudeau in general (Jihad Justin, as he's known. Sunni Ways, my friends, Sunni Ways).

The worst I'll bet we see is some racist spray paint or some rocks thrown through mosque windows. Maybe something to do with bacon.

These will all be called false flags, by the way.

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