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Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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Helsing posted:

Yeah but the problem is that the Liberals will almost certainly try to get an IRV ballot.

At this point I think it's more likely that they'll go along with the idea of a referendum and let it fail. They don't particularly need to risk the terrible optics of what is objectively a power grab for the Liberals, and I'd be floored if they voluntarily gave up power by proposing some form of PR.

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Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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Arabian Jesus posted:

Not so fast...

It's not terribly hard really:

Canada posted:

Prohibition of marijuana is moronic and we're done with it

and then nobody gives a poo poo

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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Gorau posted:

From what I've heard there's a good chance they'll win too. Too many domestic pipelines were built during the same period and other trans-border pipelines were built just before keystone was proposed. It's going to be very hard for the US to argue Trans-Canada didn't receive different treatment from domestic or other international pipeline companies. From my understanding that essentially is an automatic fail under nafta investor protection rules. You can ban or halt a certain activity (oil pipeline construction) but it has to be for the entire industry, not a single company or group of foreign companies.

Actually, I'd be baffled if TransCanada could win despite this:

quote:

Article 1114: Environmental Measures

1. Nothing in this Chapter shall be construed to prevent a Party from adopting, maintaining or enforcing any measure otherwise consistent with this Chapter that it considers appropriate to ensure that investment activity in its territory is undertaken in a manner sensitive to environmental concerns.

I don't know what TransCanada is going to argue, but it looks like it would have to prove that the U.S. denied Keystone XL out of discrimination, as opposed to environmental and domestic health concerns let alone any other non-discriminatory reason it might be permitted to give for refusal.

More importantly, I'd be absolutely baffled if the US ever gave a poo poo about treaty obligations. That's for weaker countries.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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Do they only have to prove that they were treated differently from a US company, or do they have to prove that they were treated differently from a US company on the basis of nationality? The former sounds insane -- anyone who had a slightly longer or more extensive environmental review than a US company, regardless of the reason, could file a chapter 11 claim.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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They might have been willing, but "capable" is arguable. They certainly wouldn't have been able to blow anyone up other than themselves without direction, and I suspect your average actual ISIS mastermind would give up on these idiots roughly the second time he caught them playing video games instead of making bombs.

"My clients are way too stupid and disorganized to be of any use to any terrorist plotter" might not be the most dignified defence, but it might be correct.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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I hope you guys are all ready to celebrate our annual post-Davos rear end-reaming. Place your bets on how much hardship will be placed on the working class this year!

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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PT6A posted:

He's a dick and possibly an rear end in a top hat, but I think it's one thing to be those things and quite another to be "cruel and vicious." Being cruel and vicious is like, you go out of your way to hurt people. I think he just doesn't care if he hurts people in pursuit of his goals, which is different.

Different in what way? I don't think the predictable consequences of an action are very far off from the intent of an action, but I guess you have to make judgments on a case-by-case basis. In O'Leary's case, I don't see a very big difference between implementing Wal-Mart-like labor cost cutting measures with the intent to get rich, and implementing them with the intent of destroying the livelihoods of working people.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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Cultural Imperial posted:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/brad-wall-won-t-be-signing-carbon-tax-agreement-1.3467451


ok brad you do that

once you white trash wheat king motherfuckers feel the full force of low oil you remember what you posted on facebook when no one wants to give your poo poo assed province any money

also can we withold Alberta ~aid~ money until sarah hoffman loses 100 lbs?

Is it actually possible for the provinces to block what's more or less a federal tax plan? I genuinely don't know.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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Don't worry I'm sure the feds will set up a six-month exploratory committee on how to promote positive inter-provincial dialogue. We'll have this slapfight resolved before Trudeau's third term.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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Vaccine refusal linked to measles outbreak

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Measles, a disease that was considered eliminated 16 years ago in the U.S., has made a comeback in which a "substantial proportion" of the cases are associated with vaccine refusal, a study suggests.

The study, recently published in the March 15 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association, says "the phenomenon of vaccine refusal" increases the risk for measles among individuals who are not vaccinated or refuse to get vaccinated, and also among those who are already fully vaccinated.

[...]

Researchers also said a higher rate of vaccine exemption or refusal in a community is associated with increased incidences of measles in that community, among persons with and without exemptions. The study points to a 2014 outbreak of measles that originated at Disneyland in Anaheim, Calif.

Of the 111 measles cases reported from the outbreak, approximately half were unvaccinated individuals, most of whom were eligible for vaccination yet remained unvaccinated. "A substantial proportion of the U.S. measles cases in the era after elimination were intentionally unvaccinated," researchers concluded. "The phenomenon of vaccine refusal was associated with an increased risk for measles among people who refuse vaccines and among fully vaccinated individuals."

[...]

Anti-vaxx/alternative medicine idiots are basically a threat to public health. Don't we have some of these morons around in BC?

edit: this and other stories like the two complete loving retards who thought they'd treat their kid's meningitis with loving whey protein get me to pt6a-levels of angry. what the gently caress is wrong with people

Heavy neutrino fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Mar 16, 2016

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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Helsing posted:

The TPP isn't even really a trade deal and if you read the pro-TPP estimates of the economic growth or increase in trade that is supposed to result from the TPP it's remarkable how paltry the real gains are. Whether you love or hate the current free trade regime that has been in place across most of the globe since the 1990s the fact is that the TPP doesn't change things on that front much: there aren't any big tarriff barriers coming down, no major new labour or export markets are getting opened up. Flows of goods and service across national boundaries will be, at most, only marginally impacted by the TPP.

What the TPP changes is the way global trade is governed. It's a massive, Obama-administration backed power grab by American corporations who are trying to shore up their position in the face of various global challenges from Asia. So they're trying to impose American intellectual property laws worldwide and trying to give their companies the necessary legal tools to keep client governments like Canada's from exercising any local sovereignty that might interfere with the all important goal of capital accumulation.

I think it was Chomsky who put it this way: trade deals have nothing to do with trade -- they're mostly about giving extra rights to capital. The dystopian fictional world of Shadowrun, where corporations are countries unto themselves, almost feels prescient. How long until a trade deal straight up grants extraterritoriality to foreign corporations?

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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Is every scared shitless of Mulcair or what? Everyone who's asked gives us some prevaricating bullshit and proposes to punt on the issue until the next bi-annual convention in 2018. The more notorious signatories of the letter written by 37 NDP left-wingers are denying interviews on the matter or giving bullshit comments like "well changing leaders isn't a panacea" or "the party needs change but i guess it's up to mulcair to decide whether he'll be the agent of it."

And you pathetic losers wonder why you got loving trounced? No loving spine, no loving vision, no loving ideas. Just fretting over their own careers and cushy spots within the party. gently caress you. You deserved to get crushed, and now you deserve to have your entire rotten institution pulled out and re-built from the ground up. You and the party you've built have no future.

Heavy neutrino fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Mar 16, 2016

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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THC posted:

If Mulcair survives a leadership review, his detractors would have very good cause to worry for their political futures. I doubt you would act much differently were you in their position.

gently caress that. If the NDP was a party worth keeping around, they'd welcome Mulcair's hatred at the risk of their careers. People respect convictions and self-sacrifice, not loving garbage politicians who shake in their boots.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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I'm pretty sure the time for calling them pathetic losers is precisely when they shake in their boots at the thought of angering a leader who turned an almost sure bet into a crushing electoral loss.

I guess we could wait until the convention actually happens and confirms our suspicions about their lack of courage, vision and political insight.

Helsing posted:

I've quoted this article more than once before and will do so again now because it really captures the essence of the mindset of a certain subset of the party:

Yeah, that's a pretty good analysis. The party utterly failed to notice that the public mood, in much of the West, was quickly shifting away from the 1990's Clintonite consensus. I guess Mulcair ran a superb campaign that would have succeeded wonderfully in the late 90's and early 2000's.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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THC posted:

Canada just elected a majority government which promised to continue that exact liberal consensus. Meanwhile Hillary Clinton is very likely to be elected President. You are not some kind of brilliant political savant.

The LPC promised to embrace keynesian economics, increase wealth re-distribution, and use public works projects to increase employment. They probably won't deliver, but that's not the point.

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton only had to denounce and reject everything she and her husband did in the 1990s in order to stave off some old dude who calls himself a socialist. The British left has rallied around some grumpy 1960's labor lefty and is currently matching the reigning Tories in the polls.

You've got more or less the same political perspicacity as your average NDP insider.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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It would have been huge if it happened before we gave the PLQ four years of majority government, but it's certainly big. They're one step away from Charest himself at this point.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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Dreylad posted:

Like peter banana said we've also hit peak bacon diet:

Uh, that guy was trolling, right?

you can't possibly be this dumb

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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The idea that overwhelmingly complex "design" requires a creator doesn't even make sense. A smart engineer goes for simple designs with no useless parts and only as many redundancies as are required, but life as we know it has precisely the sort of complexities, inefficiencies, useless parts and diffuse design that you'd expect from a haphazard process that spans over millions of years.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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Also as with all courageous, honest rebels, Levant has accumulated six figures' worth of payouts to various people who accused him of libel. In his classiest case, he was ordered to pay some $57k to a Human Rights Commission lawyer.

It warms my heart to know that we have a bold rebel insurgency that is speaking in reckless disregard of the truth in order to defame people who oversee and enforce anti-discrimination laws.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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It's cute that some people believe that we still have the political ability to build infrastructure that serves people as opposed to capital

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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PT6A posted:

I'm glad to see this thread has grown up a little since Jim Flaherty died.

Nah it's just hard to mercilessly mock someone who clearly had psychological issues.

I can't bring myself to do it. Remember to exercise and eat well so you don't end up crippled or dead before your 50s, everyone. See a therapist if you feel depressed.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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Cultural Imperial posted:

Not trolling: we need cold war levels of academic funding to build an innovative self sustaining economy. No degree of loving tax breaks or vc finding is going to build another loving sv. You need to literally dial the fiscal clock back to 1945.

Totally agree. Pay smart people to do research, implement safeguards against said smart people taking the IP out of the country

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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quote:

The Stephans have said they were shocked by the charges, which they believe were laid because the Crown wanted to make an example of them for not vaccinating their kids. Ezekiel had never been vaccinated, and neither have the Stephans' three other children.

Yeah well that's more or less precisely what the Crown ought to do with you guys. I'm fine with the idea that alt-med idiots everywhere might struggle with the nagging thought that they might end up in the slammer if they substitute medicine for their kids with fake magical potions. There's really no need to punish or rehabilitate these two (although please for the love of god help their other kids), but I'd say there's a pressing societal need for deterring others from leaving their kids vulnerable to deadly diseases and attempting to treat those diseases with the purest spring onion extract from the tallest Chinese mountain.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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"uh dude i think your kid is dying from meningitis"

"thanks man, i got this" *drives to Whole Foods*

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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ah yes the real blame lies with the EMTs, not the morons who saw their kid was so stiffened as to be unable to sit and then chose to bring him to a witch doctor instead of an actual doctor

it was exactly the kind of mistake anyone would make -- i remember the last time i caught the flu and suffered the entirely routine symptoms where your muscles turn into unresponsive rocks

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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The Stephans blaming the EMTs is like slacking off for an entire semester, spending the last week before the exams basically living in the profs/TAs' offices, and then asserting that you failed because the incompetent teaching staff couldn't do their job.

They wouldn't have had to pull off a miracle if your dumb rear end had shown a minimal level of diligence.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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flakeloaf posted:

Back to these CLAC morons for a second, is there there a reason the "corporate media" haven't explained what that abbreviation stands for, or summarized their list of demands? What's their goal, beyond pissing off the "bourgeois corporate slaves" yesterday (and probably all lining up like obedient little drones poking their iphones in line at starbucks today)? Do they have the beginnings of a coherent plan to fix what's wrong or do they just wanna break poo poo and shout at the man, man?

Seems to be the latter. They mostly protest austerity measures and reserve their venom for financial institutions and the police. They're militant leftists who are leftier and more militant -- not all that rare in Montreal.

As for the police, beating up protesters is more or less the norm. One of Montreal's great annual traditions is the non-violent protest specifically and uniquely against police brutality that gets violently shut down by police within two hours, every year.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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Pinterest Mom posted:

Please enjoy your likely next PQ leader, Jean-Martin Aussant.



Pros:
-Centre-left
-Anti-racist
-Strong anti-corruption record
-Daddy af

Cons:
-Likely to be able to bring the PQ and QS together and win an election
-Doesn't think you need to hold a referendum to declare sovereignty

Wow what the gently caress happened to PKP that he just went gently caress it and dropped everything? Apparently he's resigning as MNA and quitting the PQ for good?

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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gently caress yeaaaaa

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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That said, Pinterest Mom, what makes you think Aussant might make it to the leadership spot? The PQ just one year ago gave 57% support to, roughly, the idea of having a plutocrat as its leader. I'd think Aussant's time as ON leader would place him, on economic issues, at least one AU away from the 2015 vote.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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Pinterest Mom posted:

I'm not a péquiste but

My understanding of the 2015 leadership race is that the PQ membership wanted to believe in a forceful advocate of sovereignty with perceived economic credibility. Precise left-right positioning didn't matter as much. Aussant fits that bill while probably being much closer to PQ members' social democratic instincts.

That's understandable, but it remains to be seen whether those social democratic instincts are more than pretense. The PQ was certainly eager to find excuses for having cold feet on economic issues when they were in power in 2012, and It's not terribly hard to find péquistes who accuse Québec Solidaire of wanting to spike the ball on sovereignty in order to move on and establish communism or whatever anti-left histrionics they've got.


Helsing posted:

Much to the chagrin of leftists everywhere regular people typically treat their cultural and ethnic identity as a more important political fact than their role as a worker, manager or owner.

Maybe that's right, but I'm sure you don't begrudge Quebec's left wing for being skeptical at best of the PQ's professed agreement with social democratic goals.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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PT6A posted:

Also, Quebec is busy figuring out new and inventive ways to embarrass themselves and make their province a little shittier: http://www.cbc.ca/1.3564089

This is probably more about picking off straggling péquistes and burying the Libs' recent string of scandals under the overwhelming weight of ethnonationalist attitudes than any other professed goal but yeah it's silly.

Like the one important rule of Quebec politics is that any time the issue of "notre québec FRANÇAIS!!!" comes up in any shape you can practically give up on having any meaningful political conversation about anything worth a drat for at least a month.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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Helsing posted:

On the bright side this is still better than that ridiculous values charter.

The values charter was such a legendary example of notre québec FRANÇAIS that it swallowed up not just a couple weeks or even a couple months, it suppressed discussion of issues that are dangerous to business for an entire election campaign. It was pure genius. We're simply biologically unable to dodge empty national debates about are language and are culture

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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You know it really sucks for the people affected but Fort Mac getting razed by a wildfire is symbolic to say the least

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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Well I'm happy that we don't need to learn anything from the wildfire given that apparently global warming is just a scam and all would have been fine if only my political enemies were psychics

Mozi posted:

As an American this Canadian infighting is very discombobulating, I'd prefer if you go back to being genial and polite while pushing the anger deep down inside like I remember.

The American conception of Canadians is really just a myth -- we're like this dysfunctional family who's really nice and lovely and cheery when you're visiting, but clawing at each other's throats when nobody's looking.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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Helsing posted:

I guess I'm more naive than I thought because I'm surprised that someone here was skeptical when told that Hilary Clinton took active steps to stop Haiti from raising it's minimum wage. How the hell do you pay any attention to politics at all and then find that even slightly surprising or hard to believe?

Yeah, I mean both Clintons have been torturing Haiti since the 90's so I'm not sure why you'd be surprised that Hillary's State Dept. kept it going.

Honestly I wonder what Cubans think when they look at nearby tiny Caribbean countries, most of which are total disasters. You can't read two words about Cuba without learning that its citizens yearn for the sort of luxuries of capitalism, but that's an achievement in itself -- societies don't really begin to give a poo poo about consumer electronics and sick shoes until they're relatively comfortable in the basic necessities. Cubans being unable to enjoy luxuries is spun as a total failure of its society and government, but no similar conclusion is ever made about Haiti.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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flakeloaf posted:

With Cuba you can at least fall back on "The regime could've had a great thing but blew it by loving its own people and also by siding with the Soviets against the righteous forces of democratic perfection", whereas with Haiti, it starts with a delightful story about the French and just spirals ever toiletward from there.

I certainly don't defend the Cuban regime as a whole, but I find it a bit unfair when people talk like that. Controlling for context (geographical and historical) and ignoring the crushing embargo led by the world superpower, how many tiny third world countries even approach Cuba's Human Development Index indicators?

It's really a sign of the massive achievements that Cuba has made that nobody even bothers to compare it to countries in its own context anymore, and have to judge it as a failure as measured against first-world countries with massive landmasses and centuries of independent development. I hate to repeat Chomsky here, but what does it say that when a hurricane hits the Carribean, it causes hundreds of fatalities in Haiti and perhaps a handful of injuries in Cuba?

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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shrike82 posted:

If we want to look at a failed socialist state in the modern era, just look at Venezuela. It's at a point where opposition leaders are being assassinated.

Well, my main point is that people shouldn't be chomping at the bit to implicate socialism as a whole in the narrative of left-wing states that are struggling unless, I guess, they're willing to implicate capitalism as a whole in the narrative of right-wing states that are struggling.

So if economically troubled, politically turbulent Venezuela's violence against political dissidents implicates socialism, then economically troubled, politically turbulent Honduras' violence against political dissidents must implicate capitalism. I think that's an untenable proposition, but for some reason there's this impulse across the entire spectrum to include socialism in the story of left-wing failed states.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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quote:

(a) Effectiveness and legitimacy: that the proposed measure would increase public confidence among Canadians that their democratic will, as expressed by their votes, will be fairly translated and that the proposed measure reduces distortion and strengthens the link between voter intention and the election of representatives;

(b) Engagement: that the proposed measure would encourage voting and participation in the democratic process, foster greater civility and collaboration in politics, enhance social cohesion and offer opportunities for inclusion of underrepresented groups in the political process;

Well I guess that definitely means the committee won't end up recommending IRV after all :angel:

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Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

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I guess you can forgive some forgetfulness on concepts that aren't used much after grade school (unless you learn to code, remainders disappear forever; long division) but forgetting how to handle fractions is pretty dire. Basic concepts used in the multiplication of fractions were still being used at the highest level of math I've done (calc III, which isn't all that far I guess).

Heavy neutrino fucked around with this message at 08:27 on May 15, 2016

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