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ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich

pvt.bartsimpson.SS posted:

Did they say when we can buy weed yet ?

This is really the only part I care about now. If it was a Conservative victory my plan was to completely ignore politics for the rest of my life, if it was NDP then I'd actually give a poo poo about politics for reals again, but with Liberal Government I'm just waiting to be able to buy weed in like a store, when's that?

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ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich

Helsing posted:

Leaving aside the fact that fatness is usually more complicated than just "bad habits"

No it's not, you fat sack of poo poo.

Fat people eat too much and don't do any exercise. So they get fat. I know this because I stopped being fat when I started exercising and eating less, and so does everyone else.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
I never said losing weight was easy, I'm saying that fat people are fat because they eat too much and don't exercise. If your'e honest about why you're fat then you're not so bad as one of these idiots who pretends that their body can violate the laws of thermodynamics.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Just working on undoing some of the horrible poo poo the Conservatives ruined doesn't make the Liberals good, just not as insane and horrible as the Conservatives, which is in line with what we were saying anyways. It's still just tax cuts for the rich and general small-c conservative garbage for the next 4 years, other than legal weed.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich

rawrr posted:

Aren't they specifically raising taxes on the rich and cutting them for the middle class?

There's no such thing as a middle class, and that revenue neutral tax cut is completely worthless.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Yea, it's loving worthless and bunnyofdoom is pulling the wool over the eyes of many posters in this thread.

ChairMaster fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Nov 16, 2015

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich

PT6A posted:

So, if you were guaranteed a 500 sq. ft. studio apartment in a safe but otherwise arbitrarily crappy location, you'd decide to just sit on your rear end all day, doing nothing to try to improve your circumstances further?

That's unbelievably unambitious and sad, to be honest. Thank god most people don't think like you do.

Do you not understand that there is a huge portion of the population that has no realistic hope of anything more than having a safe place to live and not starving to death? Maybe it's because I live in BC and grew up in poverty like almost everyone else here, but like every post you make seems to have no connection at all to what life is like in poverty.

Dreams and ambition are dead for us, we just don't want to be homeless.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Yea no poo poo? I'm talking about people living in poverty, of which there are many in BC. The conversation isn't about the province, it's just where I live.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich

PT6A posted:

So, assuming you no longer lived in poverty (through mincome, winning the lottery, or whatever else), you'd simply stop doing anything?

I don't think that's a problem with poverty, I think that's a problem with your brain, and it's unfair to characterize all people living in poverty as unambitious as a result of their circumstances. Look at all the Syrian kids in loving refugee camps who say things like "I want to be able to go to school again," or "I want to be a doctor when I grow up so I can help people." Granted, in the short term they probably just want a safe place to live, that doesn't mean they can't have hopes, dreams and ambitions.

Well it's not like I'd spend the rest of my life waking up, staring at the wall for 16 hours then going to bed, but I certainly wouldn't work anymore. There's no fulfilment or purpose to be found in standing around working for some dickhead who doesn't give a poo poo about you either way, so anyone who's not smart enough or doesn't want to be a doctor or some other supposedly noble profession doesn't have much to gain from working.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Most people would rather we let everyone starve than pay people to survive. The idea of paying someone for free is so abhorrent to most people that they'd rather have you be homeless and hurting people and stealing and lying to survive than having the government pay to feed and shelter you.

This is what's going to happen when there's not enough jobs (which is guaranteed at some point very soon in the future, I don't know how anyone can look at the progression of modern technology and disagree with that), and there's nothing any of us can do about it. Mincome will never be politically feasible in North America.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich

Jordan7hm posted:

Mincome, like all socialism stuff, is designed to keep the poors in line and prevent them from crashing the gates of the truly wealthy.

Seriously socialism is ideal if you are actually wealthy, not just a high earner. You contribute so little of your accumulated wealth relatively and get some great benefits like a stable, educated, healthy workforce and all kinds of infrastructure, largely paid for by the higher earners in your organizations.

Haha yea right, like a wealthy person would give a poo poo about any of those things. You don't need to treat your workforce well when there's about a billion people ready and willing to replace them at a moments notice, motivated by the terror of homelessness and starvation.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Are you saying I'm wrong about any of these things or just that I'm a dick about it? Because I think you'd have to be a drat fool to think that many wealthy people would give up a single million of their spare billions of dollars to help even a single one of the people they exploited to make all that money in the fist place.

Pretty much anyone can see that a guaranteed minimum income is not only a good idea for everyone but also necessary to avoid eventual catastrophe, but there's no loving way it's ever going to happen.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
While it's true that the wealthiest people in our country don't have the kind of complete control over our government as their American equivalents do, I still can't see any realistic way for mincome to ever become something that exists in real life here. What party would ever propose such an idea? Our leftmost party chickened out and acted like a bunch of center-right dipshits last election, and their utter failure will only be remembered as a failure of the left. I certainly don't see the Liberal "cut taxes for the rich and pretend it's for the poor" Party of Canada going for such an extreme idea any time soon.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich

Scaramouche posted:

I agree it seems a lot of hullabaloo for only a slight uptick in what Canada accepts normally, but given the slapfights in the US and some of the objections of the New Right in Europe it feels... nice? I normally feel a kind of corrosive cynicism about Canada and I not-felt that for almost entire minutes at a time while reading those #welcometocanada tweets. I think what broke me is that one of my millennial cousins came and asked me how he should defend it to his dad over Christmas dinner completely unprompted. These world stage moves are often not that substantial in reality, but they can be potent symbols nonetheless.

EDIT-Jeez guys I'm all verklempt here. Is this optimism or an incipient stroke?
http://www.straight.com/arts/596361/vancouver-mens-chorus-sings-gay-syrian-refugees

It's honestly a little strange to feel something positive about Canada these days other than "thank Christ I wasn't born in America. Trudeau may be another useless small-c conservative leader of a useless party that tricks people into thinking it's progressive, but he's at least doing a good job with this stuff.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich

Brannock posted:

How about an informal moratorium on this sort of blazing insight, ironic or otherwise, until JT actually does something worthy of it?

I'd say the burden lies with him to change a perfectly reasonable assumption based on the party that he's the leader of.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
It's funnier to me that there are people who think Canadian Manufacturing will ever be a real thing ever again than I can really even believe.

How loving dumb and totally blind to the realities of the modern world do you even have to be to think that could happen? Honestly It might be dumber than kudatah.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
He ain't wrong, I don't want some fat poo poo telling me about how to be healthy, do you?

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich

vyelkin posted:

PT6A you're not necessarily wrong about some of what you're saying but you're discounting a hell of a lot of genetic factors that kick in once a person does become significantly overweight (obese) that make it incredibly difficult to return to a normal weight, and virtually impossible to return to a normal weight permanently. Those of us with good genes or who have never been overweight often try to make a connection between "I put on 20 pounds once and then worked it off by eating healthier and working out, so why can't 300 pound people do the same thing on a larger scale?" but it's really not that simple.

This is why people say you're "fat shaming" or whatever, it's because there is scientific evidence that losing weight is not as easy as working out and changing your diet, and a fat person shouldn't be discounted from jobs just because they're fat, unless not being fat is an actual requirement for that job, like, I don't know, Olympic athlete. What PT6A is saying is that Health Minister, as a figurehead role for healthy lifestyles, should be one of those jobs, and what other people are saying is that it shouldn't be since it's a glorified bureaucratic role that's not really any different from any other ministerial post, and it is entirely possible that Sarah Hoffman, despite her overweightness, is the most qualified NDP MLA in Alberta to fill that particular role and shouldn't be disqualified because she doesn't look like a professional athlete. This is a fundamental disagreement about the nature of a Health Minister that is not going to be resolved. Both of you are just talking past each other. So please, for the love of God, let us change the subject.


Oh whatever, yea losing weight is hard when you're fat, no poo poo. That doesn't make it impossible, and that doesn't mean that fat people have anyone to blame but themselves or their parents for the fact that they're fat, and themselves only for the fact that they remain that way. I used to weigh well over 300 pounds, and now I'm just skinnyfat at 180 or so. All I did to lose weight was to stop eating like poo poo and start walking to wherever I needed to go rather than driving or taking the bus, there wasn't even real exercise involved. Obese people are full of poo poo and should stop pretending like it's not their own drat fault they're fat and gross.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
So here we sit, hoping for an American election, of all things, to save us from this horrible deal we're stuck with.

I hate this country.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Yea for how much I hate Alberta and would be perfectly happy to let them flounder in poverty like the big pile of dumb assholes they are and then laugh at them for receiving equalization payments all the while, that doesn't mean they should adopt a lovely regressive sales tax just because all the other provinces have one.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Going through puberty is the thing that prevents people from ever passing as the gender that doesn't correspond to their puberty gender without extensive surgery, so probably waiting for that to happen would be counter-productive. Hormone blockers are probably a good thing for anyone who's unsure, I'd imagine.

peter banana posted:

I guess I've just never read an experience that went, "I was too affirmed when I identified as trans and it hosed me up" and have read lots of experiences of "I was made to hide my trans identity out of fear of rejection and literal violence and it really, really hosed me up."

This is pretty much what I've seen, too. Our whole society is built around gender roles and the importance of another persons gender being paramount in the way you interact with them, so I understand why people have a hard time with this kind of thing (I do too, changing the pronouns you use for someone you've known is pretty drat hard), but you're just gonna have to put that aside and accept that some people's life experience is nothing like your own.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Oh what a surprise nobody wants to waste a bunch of money in Canada that they can get 10 times as much labor out of in Mexico who coulda guessed it?

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
I don't know why anyone gives a poo poo about what Canada says it thinks about Israel. Our opinion will be the same as that of the US forever and ever on this issue, there's nothing to be gained by admitting that our closest ally props up this worthless regime that takes constant advantage of them and openly wants to eliminate an entire ethnic group.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
I honestly think that I would vote for Trump in the general over Hillary if I were American. You can have Sanders try his damndest to fix the horrible broken totally corrupt and worthless system or you can have Donald Trump go crazy and do nonsensical poo poo completely out of reach of the moneyed interests that usually influence American politics. Either way is better than more of the same.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Oh whatever, the president's not a dictator and Trump knows perfectly well that he doesn't get to ban muslims from entering the country or any of that dumb poo poo, he just says it to get stupid people to vote for him. It's literally his whole campaign strategy.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
I never said I didn't think he'd do anything retarded, just that the only really harmful things he wants to do are pretty much impossible. I'd love to see him do crazy stupid poo poo that pisses everyone off, what's it to me, the theoretical average american voter? I'm hosed either way, there's a big rear end recession coming and neither Hillary nor Trump can stop it or would care to if they could.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich

PT6A posted:

Oh okay, so you're just a garden-variety idiot instead of a complete lunatic. I guess that's.... good?

Feel free to point out which of his policies would be harmful to me as a theoretical average American voter. So far I don't see much other than his support of the second amendment, his anti-choice positions, and wanting to ban muslims from entering the country, none of which the president has much real influence on.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich

PT6A posted:

Let's think about why the US would be worse with a president who focuses on stoking white nationalist fervour, promises to weaken free speech protections, promises to privilege Christian institutions, and encourages people to think with their guts instead of their heads...

Well, I certainly can't see any warning signs!

(That's sarcasm, ChairMaster, and if you actually believe what you're saying, I'd consider getting a test to see if you don't have a few extra chromosomes rattling around)

I am not particularly worried about a return of fascism starting in America, the president still is not a dictator and the system is set up to keep it that way.


Eej posted:

It's a good thing for your theoretical example you've chosen to be a white person instead of, say, one of the 35 million (more than the population of Canada!) Mexican Americans who have been invoked as a boogeyman by the likely Republican candidate.

10% of the population doesn't really qualify as being representative of the average voter. And a black person could just as easily support Trump as a white person, the democrats take their vote for granted but black people don't like Mexicans all that much more than white people do.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Whatever happened to good old "I vote conservative because I stand to gain more from it even though I know they're gonna gently caress over tons and tons of people to do it, gently caress you got mine" PT6A, anyways? Did you decide that was lovely or is it just okay when you do it?

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
I don't understand this masturbatory garbage people always pull whenever a piece of poo poo like Rob Ford dies where they talk about how great they are for not being happy that he died. The world is a better place without Rob Ford, he made life worse for millions of people, and even on the small scale he was an abusive piece of poo poo and I'm glad he's dead. The only tragedy is that it didn't happen a decade sooner so as to prevent many of the horrible things he did.

gently caress you PT6A go jerk off about how noble and good you are for not celebrating the death of this human excrement somewhere else.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich

Jan posted:

Let's not kid ourselves, you hate everyone.

Except Trump, maybe.

PT6A hates Trump plenty, he yelled at me in one of the canpol threads cause I said Trump would probably be a better president than Hillary because he buys into the whole American Hitler thing.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Yea I'm gonna have to agree with CI on this one, if you can't handle the murder then don't sign up for murderers Inc you stupid idiots. You're not defending our country, you're just making the world lovely.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
So you're saying nobody's dying but Fort Mac could very well be wiped off the map by tomorrow? And this is supposed to be a bad thing??? Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
I had homework maybe twice during my entire schooling k-12, I don't know how the poo poo people ended up with homework. I guess they just didn't care to pay attention in class and finish their poo poo during the copious amount of time that the teachers spent over-explaining poo poo to the stupid people.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
I mean to be fair, the American government affects our lives about as much as our own does. They're probably doing more good trying to get someone who's not an actual monster elected in America than they would be by bashing their heads against the wall that is trying to get something positive accomplished in Canada.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
When's weed gonna be legal, anyways? Bunny you piece of poo poo what was even the point of the last election.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich

namaste faggots posted:

you've already had a bona fide milspec tactigoon come in here and tell you unequivocally that the only reason Canada is buying F35s is to support the US warmachine. Explain to me the utility of buying a bunch of jets that don't compliment the US warmachine is going to achieve anything other than dumping a bunch of cash into a dumpster and lighting it on fire???????

oh wait you can't because you're all a bunch of nationalistic shitheads with fantasies about Canada force projecting tactical diapers of peace on some starving africans

the glory of Canada hurrah

Isn't that a good thing, not being as easily dragged into whatever dozen wars or so Clinton starts in the next 8 years?

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
What are you stupid idiots talking about, you know there's other ways to take marijuana than smoking it, right? And that none of those ways gives you cancer because there's no fuckin smoke involved?

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
What are you guys even arguing about, I think it's awesome news because the pipeline got stopped for now, I don't give a poo poo if the first nations agree for the same reasons or not. The dipshits in charge hosed up by not wanting to pay out the right amount of bribe money, it is funny and good.

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ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich

a primate posted:

The last mayor of Toronto never even walked the Pride parade. LGBTQ rights are not a given in Canada, and it's important for politicians to show support for these events.

Saying "yea but lol Saudi Arabia" does point out the hypocrisy but I don't think our dealings with the Saudis entirely diminishes what we have built at home in terms of LGBTQ rights.

"Our" dealings with the Saudis? Nobody's mad about "Us" they're mad about our dipshit hypocrite of a prime minister pulling the wool over the eyes of everyone in this idiot country and doing the same goddamn poo poo that the Liberals always do and having everyone be okay with it as long as he goes to Pride and makes a big deal about how great we are for letting refugees in.

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