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mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Just got done voting, didn't see much in the way of young people in line. Maybe in the evening?

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mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Peanut Butter posted:

I know the campaign manager personally and I just happen to be visiting, so I thought it would be interesting to tag along and see how things are going.

What do they think about Ford?

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Kale posted:

These are the shittiest choices in the 15 or so years I've been eligible to vote. Do I vote for the party that has no chance because their leader is deeply unpopular, the one headed by the big loud rear end in a top hat whose brother danced and rambled in patois at a steakhouse in his literal dying years as mayor of Toronto or the party that screwed the pooch the only other time they ever got in but that I otherwise identify the most with ideology wise and has a real chance at winning. Now I know what it feels like to be American and vote for president in 2016.

Having lived in America for a huge part of my life, those choices sound way better than what they have.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Lawman 0 posted:

When do you guys legalize weed

Oh poo poo, I just remembered that Socialized Weed is dead in the water if the pcs win. That's a shitload of revenue lost to the government

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

ZeeBoi posted:

silver lining pc wins and fucks up the province so bad we'll get another decade of liberals

Wow another decade of liberals sounds amazing, really looking forward to that

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

vyelkin posted:

"vote liberal to avoid a majority government" loving lmao gj kathleen thanks

Voting liberal to own the libs

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Ford spent the last six months railing against the king streetcar project so my commute is probably going to double now lol

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

yellowcar posted:

I can only hope doug is as inept as orange Mussolini down south

Trump's party owns the government and they've gotten everything they wanted (tax cuts for the rich, bank deregulation, etc)

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

ZeeBoi posted:

everyone says they want to get rid of it until they see how much money it contributes to the Ontario coffers

when has that stopped right wingers before. its more money to whoever pays them off to do it, and therefore to them

also socialized weed is dead in the water now and that'd have been a shitload of money for the government too

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Svaha posted:

Money still comes in through taxes at least. The government monopoly was always a stupid plan that would not have prevented anyone from getting unregulated weed elsewhere. You can't subvert a thriving black market by limiting people's choices further.

Mind you, the wheels on this have been turning for a while now. It may be too late to change course anyway. Did Ford ever explicitly say anything about this?

I think enough people would've been fine with the convenience of getting weed legally from a store that it'd have been a massive revenue gain for the government. Anyway this is all academic now lol:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/pc-leader-doug-ford-cannabis-ottawa-morning-1.4573790

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Entropic posted:

gently caress her, she knew she was done, she should have said "vote NDP so we don't end up with Ford" a week ago, drat the Liberal party she no longer has any stake in.

i dont think it makes any sense for the leader of a party to tell you to vote for another party dude. this poo poo is on the voters. blame her for running a bad government, not that particular statemenr

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Typo posted:

next 4 years:

tax cuts --> service cuts down the road
weird FORD scandals
random sorta red meat thrown to soCons but nothing really happens

so basically trump without the whole north korea thing

continuing increases in costs of living with a government thats probably going to privatixe poo poo, nuke rent controls etc aint nothing

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Kale posted:

Yeah Western democracy has just taken a really unforeseen right wing turn that indeed seems really hard to reverse the trend on because thanks tools like social media and right wing media it's pretty easy for these populists to absolutely lie their asses off and say incendiary things that get picked up and become hot topics that then become normally and accepted as an "alternative fact". I feel like somebody has to be influencing some sort of social undercurrent now (probably done casually and subtly via social media) because I keep seeing these topics take hold in peoples mind that you just think shouldn't like the immigration thing specifically and those being made into key issues in deciding votes when they shouldn't be.

The right wing framing of stuff has Just Won. Was talking to a french friend today and he said he voted for the disgraced neoliberal "socialist" party in the french election because Melenchon (a watered down Keynesian of the type that ran most western democracies just a few decades ago) was "too far left" for him. The end result was him having to choose between a right winger (Macron) and a far right winger (Le Pen) in the runoff, both of whom he detested.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

CRISPYBABY posted:

Does Ontario get comprehensive voting demographic stats after an election?

My leftist friends are posting the "ontario going PC means its turning its backs on people of colour, LGBT, poverty" spiels etc. And they're not wrong, policy wise. But the cynical part of me is guessing that Ford got a fair bit of of minority support because it's such a big suburban GTA demographic so I'd be curious to see those numbers at least.

Markham went PC by like 60% lol

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Brampton came through for the NDP though

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Kale posted:

Yeah Western democracy has just taken a really unforeseen right wing turn that indeed seems really hard to reverse the trend on because thanks tools like social media and right wing media it's pretty easy for these populists to absolutely lie their asses off and say incendiary things that get picked up and become hot topics that then become normally and accepted as an "alternative fact". I feel like somebody has to be influencing some sort of social undercurrent now (probably done casually and subtly via social media) because I keep seeing these topics take hold in peoples mind that you just think shouldn't like the immigration thing specifically and those being made into key issues in deciding votes when they shouldn't be.

That populist in Italy got in too and there just seem to be very little of the old familiar consequences for their actions and shortcomings in governing. It's like people are just growing tired of democracy too or something (again for some reason) and just want to tear down all the old institutions with these populist candidates and "shake things up" and I don't really know why. Like we haven't had flawless leaders in the 2000's but I don't really understand what was wrong with the established order and why people seem to be freaking out now and voting in all these cut from a similar cloth right wing populists that are wealthy businessmen who like to agitate about things like immigration and shoring up a global economy that wasn't exactly floundering like it was back in 2008.

It just doesn't feel like the right agenda for the time we are (were?)in. Last time there was this much populism sweeping the globe there were special conditions like a brutal post WWI economy in Europe, the great depression and the start of the slow decline of the British Empire. The natural order of the time was just kind of collapsing on it's own, while this one seems to have just been triggered on a whim with no clear sign that things were heading in that direction.

The Anti-Wynne sentiment also really reminds me of 2010 when the Democratic Party in the U.S lost control of congress. For just whatever reason, be it the influence of Fox News or constant bleating and lying from the right people were just "pissed off" at the Democratic congress and felt they needed to be punished by getting made the minority. It didn't really make sense to me then and it doesn't make that much sense to me with Wynne either that she just become so unpopular that her party needed to lose official status even.

TL;DR I'm really trying to comprehend why suddenly the hot button political issues of the day seem to be things like immigration policy, gender equality (and seemingly trying to reverse the gains of the last 3 decades for disadvantaged groups), "forgotten people", protectionism and all those things that kind of hosed up the late 1930's and led to WWII.

The Democratic party came to power in 2008 at a historic moment in time when public anger at elites was red hot and they could've used it to push through genuine reforms; instead they bailed out the financial sector while leaving ordinary people high and dry, and delivered an abortion of a healthcare policy instead of UHC. That's why they got kicked out. Wynne's liberals doubled down on privatization, and they briefly made a left turn before the election but no one was buying it and they got kicked out too.

It's funny that you mention the 1930s because a huge part of the Nazis coming to power was the center left party in Germany (the worthless SPD) stuck to their guns of austerity policies in the middle of a depression and got annihilated electorally. When the left offers you jack poo poo, people turn to right wing populism.

Still can't explain the Ontario votes though, since there was actually a decent alternative here.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

patonthebach posted:

Taking HST off hydro is 'left wing' in the traditional sense that its good policy and helps poor people as well as middle and upper class. Making car driving cheaper is something that helps more poor people than rich people. When auto insurance is some 5% + of your total yearly income, its a big deal. Or if saving 20 or 30 dollars a week on tolls when you only make 14 bucks an hour. There are are huge amount of working poor people that need a car for their job either because of irregular hours or they live in areas that arent serviced by transit.

Just because someone isn't whatever your ideal model of super poor urban person, doesn't mean they aren't deserving of help.

Those are drops in the bucket compared to the amount saved by the government providing services though. But I agree that sales taxes and tolls are rear end and should be removed.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
The big mistake with Crimea was that the people who did the borders after the Soviet collapse were loving idiots, it should never have been in Ukraine in the first place despite being technically part of the Ukrainian SSR.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Posting on page 1929, a forerunner of what's comin soon.

Also any tips of how to get in on the FIFA corruption gravy train?

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
No discussion of the defining issue of the day, the great canadian poop epidemic?

https://nypost.com/2018/07/03/human-poop-keeps-falling-from-the-sky-in-canada/

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

PT6A posted:

Good. We should cut off all trade with Saudi Arabia permanently and stop issuing visa to their nationals except on the basis of an asylum claim, and prohibiting all Canadians to travel to or do business with the Kingdom, until they pull their heads out of their asses and their country out of the 8th loving century. gently caress putting up with those asshats anymore.

Why we put up with them but not Iran is absolutely loving beyond me.

I hope the incident blows up and Trudeau has the balls to shine the spotlight on the massacres and intentional starvation they're inflicting on Yemen. He won't of course.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
I have no opinion about Chrystia Freeland other than she's part of a Liberal government that doesn't seem to give a poo poo about the housing crisis infecting the cities, and therefore sucks. She really loves and cherishes the memory of her Nazi grandpa though, which is sweet.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Any good guides to the candidates in the toronto municipal election?

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

DynamicSloth posted:

NDP should be attacking the plan for the ridiculous increase in pharmaceutical prices that will effect almost every Canadian.

Anyone have links to how this deal is going to affect drug prices in canada?

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Postess with the Mostest posted:

What metrics are you tracking to judge the overall winningness of The Left? World poverty? Hunger? Deaths from cured diseases? How many other people are on the left? Number of genders?

The rollback of the welfare state, labour protections, privatization of everything under the sun? Or am I misunderstanding you and you're doing the "western industrialists moved its industrial base and made china rich therefore capitalism is good" dance.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Sorry if it's been posted before but this thread is big, any good guides to the candidates in the toronto municipal elections?

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mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2019/01/05/toronto-rent-to-increase-11-per-cent-report/

Rising rents? Here's our solution: get rid of rent control!

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