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namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

https://twitter.com/billyarmagh/status/969950680311091200?s=21

Why is it always psychology professors

# ¿ Mar 3, 2018 18:05

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 08:57

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Good job Bunny of doom. Thank you for your service

# ¿ Mar 3, 2018 18:26

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

https://twitter.com/cbcterry/status/969951611132043264?s=21

:allears:

# ¿ Mar 3, 2018 18:48

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

they have satellite tv how can they be living in poverty

# ¿ Mar 3, 2018 21:25

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

I honestly can't loving wait for the housing crash to put all these white uneducated trash out of work, who will vote in a populist tory PM who will further enact regressive policies and austerity, making their pathetic lives even worse.

Then maybe I'll sell off all my US equities and buy back in just as the great race riots of brampton wrap up

# ¿ Mar 4, 2018 02:05

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

*lmaos at people who own stocks

*dies at the age of 70 eating catfood while living in an sro

# ¿ Mar 4, 2018 05:12

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

ok comrade fancy feast

# ¿ Mar 4, 2018 05:35

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

you're not an Ideologically Pure Layton Socialist unless you die of prostate cancer with no money in a bank acocunt (because bank accounts are for bougie pigs)

# ¿ Mar 4, 2018 05:47

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Finally Jordan Peterson makes his way out West with planned speeches at be Douglas college, cap college, Vancouver community college, langara, university college of the caribou, kwantlen, camosun college and quest university, triggering libs into whining about how free speech is a paramount freedom and how they might not agree with what is said but how they will Deathmatch to the death to protect it

# ¿ Mar 4, 2018 15:39

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Hey everyone in this thread who was saying globalization is bad and NAFTA skills be cancelled, where you at? Steel is about to be tariffed 25% by the Americans do you're all gonna get your wish

# ¿ Mar 4, 2018 16:35

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

*Naomi Klein voice*

Well we couldn't have possibly known this would happen and besides the benefits long term to the Canadian worker are

# ¿ Mar 4, 2018 16:40

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/970323238927634432?s=21

says the mush brained septuagenarian

Nevermore!

# ¿ Mar 4, 2018 16:44

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

You guys should be welcoming this with open arms! Finally no more free trade! Wages will go up!

# ¿ Mar 4, 2018 16:48

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Btw click on the tweet. It's Peter Navarro taking

# ¿ Mar 4, 2018 16:49

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

C'mon just embrace the trade war. You're gonna love it. Finally we'll have a socialist Utopia and Prime Minister Niki Ashton will usher in 50 years of properity

# ¿ Mar 4, 2018 16:52

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

THC posted:

trump is not going to kill nafta. he will expand free trade and sign new, even nastier trade deals by the time this is over, if anything.

Helsing posted:

Boeing's biggest rival is Airbus, a company that grew out of a consortium of European aviation firms and subsidized by various governments. Since 1970 Airbus has grown into the second largest aerospace company in the world and the second largest manufacturer of weapons in Europe.

Boeing wants to stop this from happening elsewhere which is why they're lobbying hard for punitive tariffs against Bombardier's "subsidies". It's the most blatant kind of protectionism imaginable and a really great illustration of why American "free trade" is consciously designed to advance American economic interests, often at the cost of the long term economic sovereignty of other countries.

Short term we benefit as consumers from greater integration with the United States but over a long time frame we're bleeding all the high productivity and innovating industries that actually create the basis of a strong economy and high wage work force.

RBC posted:

doesn''t really matter what the motivation for the vote is, if you honestly think free trade agreements are good for anyone other than global capital then lmao

JawKnee posted:

tell us again how great free trade is though

or how much you love just buying poo poo off amazon or ebay or whatever

Helsing posted:

If we circle back to the post you made previously to this one I think it really gets to the heart of my objections:

You're writing as though there is some kind of huge blockage slowing down rates of international investment and trade (you're also operating on the premise that maximizing global investment and trade is a good thing, but we'll set that debate aside for a moment to focus on this one). Someone totally unfamiliar with this debate, reading your post for the first time, might get the impression that without the TPP there will only be, as you write, "minimal cross border investment". But I just don't see how that even remotely describes the world we've been living in since the end of the Cold War.

The TPP purports to smooth over a couple rough edges and provide an even playing field, but in practice it is filled with really awful policy changes such as trying to impose American intellectual property laws on a much larger area of the globe. Numerous public health figures and charities such as Doctors Without Boarders have warned that this is going to raise the price of medicine, especially in third world countries but also places in Canada. I don't think that's a trivial objection: people will almost certainly die or go without medical care in larger numbers than before if the TPP is implemented.

So rather than debating the TPP's provisions abstractly I would want to see the specific conditions in the real world today that would justify passing this massive "trade" bill. Because it's almost universally agreed that there will be significant adjustment costs.

Now in addition to this there's the simple fact that the TPP really isn't aimed at preventing appropriation of assets. It's much more broadly targeted than that. It would prevent a local government from choosing which vendors to give its business to. It would prevent state owned firms from engaging in vital nation building projects. It would give companies the ability to sue over environmental or health and safety standards that have nothing to do with appropriating foreign profits. Worst of all, it essentially ties the hands of all future governments and tries to over ride the parliamentary precedents of practically every nation in the world which state that the legislative branch of government cannot pass laws that a future legislature is unable to over ride. You might say it doesn't really violate that precedent but it clearly destroys the spirit of it. And I think that's really dangerous.

Ultimately there seems to be a huge and still mounting pile of evidence suggesting that any real benefits the TPP offers are a cure worse than the disease. You mentioned in your post that part of the reason the TPP is designed in the way that it is is because its such a large agreement between so many countries. Well, to me that just reformulates the question slightly: why, exactly, do we need to have this big master agreement between the countries of the Pacific Rim? And so for as I can tell one of the main appeals is that it lets them use exactly the excuse you just invoked. It clouds the agreement in so many layers of obfuscating complications that it becomes much easier to smuggle in reprehensible provisions that might not pass muster with a more narrowly drawn agreement.

Part of this probably comes down to the fact that when you speak disparagingly of "domestic protectionism" what I hear is "national sovereignty". I don't want to remove a countries internal tools for economic development or wealth redistribution. If a local government wants to create jobs by sole-sourcing a contract to a local business then they should absolutely have the power to do that (even better if the government does it internally, but baby steps). This whole move in the last few decades to absolutist free trade never actually delivered the promised prosperity: Canada in particular has never realized the promised benefits of free trade. Obviously its nice to be able to buy Japanese cars, California peaches, Mexican avocados, Chinese electronics, German knives, etc., and nobody wants to stop those flows of goods. But the deeper premise of free trade, that it would massively boost incomes, that it would unleash a huge wave of innovation within Canada, that it would make us more globally competitive, turned out to be entirely false. Canadian companies remain among the least innovative in the OECD because, quite simply, they aren't really our companies. They are mostly branch plants with HQ's in other countries like the USA. And in fact the value added portion of our exports has decreased under free trade because our short term "comparative advantage" turned out to be extracting and selling minerals, oil, gas and timber. So basically all that hard work turning Canada into a manufacturing and innovating economy from the 1960s to the 1990s got flushed down the toilet when the free trade deals got signed and in the last twenty years we've actually become a less globally competitive economy than we were in the supposedly bad old days before NAFTA and the WTO.

So this opens a second set of objections: in addition to my specific problems with the TPP, I just don't see why Canada would be particularly eager to buy from snake oil from the Free Traders. I am strongly in favor of vigorous global trade but the form of "free trade" embodied in recent trade pacts, which the TPP puts on steroids, has actually had very poor results for most Canadians, and it has deformed the Canadian economy and undone half a century of progress by returning us to our default state as drawers of water and hewers of wood. Any clear eyed student of history knows that sustainable prosperity comes from the countries who build and innovate, not the countries who sell raw resources. Canada is on the wrong side of that divide and the free trade fundamentalists deserve a lot of the blame.

loving lmao

hold on to your butts motherfuckers

:smugdog:

# ¿ Mar 4, 2018 17:12

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Hahahaha. Guys it's all about context

I didn't say anything stupid about how protectionism is good now that I'm staring down the barrel of a trade war

End globalization now u guys

# ¿ Mar 4, 2018 17:45

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Hey can any of you go down to the steel mills in Hamilton and report back what happens when you tell the tariffs are going to make their wages higher

# ¿ Mar 4, 2018 17:53

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

RBC posted:

I Think The Steel Tarriff Is Good

TheKingofSprings posted:

In the I genuinely think it’s good for the country and the people sense or the I’m a contrarian asshat sense

lmaoooooo

# ¿ Mar 4, 2018 23:13

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

because if it's going to prove some craft beer socialist's pet theory that globalization is bad, then goddmanit make it happen even it's against your own country

boom zizek sprizzles of saliva all over ur face

# ¿ Mar 5, 2018 00:51

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/dog-friendly-vancouver-1.4551617

quote:

Vancouver-based startups and tech companies such as Hootsuite and Electronic Arts rhapsodize about their dog-friendly culture when luring new recruits.

And pet therapy programs at the University of British Columbia and Simon Fraser University regularly draw scores of students.

Dogs offer a host of benefits, from reducing stress to encouraging interaction between people, according to a recent study that examined the effects of dogs in the workplace.

But they can also raise safety issues, the study warns, including bites, phobia, allergic reactions and falls. And some people, like Mavi, are just plain uneasy around dogs.

"I'm such an animal lover that I forget people may not be," said Margaret Glenn, a professor at West Virginia University, who co-authored the report.

I'm just postin this because there's zero mention that most muslims (including the kind that worship the aga khan) consider dogs to be haram.

# ¿ Mar 5, 2018 01:52

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

No you dumb gently caress my point is white people who allow dogs in workplaces are dumb

# ¿ Mar 5, 2018 02:05

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

You know what what is bad? Transportation. If we couldn't travel vast distances in short durations globalism wouldn't exist

# ¿ Mar 5, 2018 06:26

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Bring back the haijin. Make private foreign trade punishable by death, with the offender's family and neighbors exiled from their homes.

For all you weeaboos, the Tokugawa shogunate loved this poo poo as well

# ¿ Mar 5, 2018 06:31

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

*true Layton socialism demands that Canada end globalization by cancelling trade deals and enacting tariffs

*Populist cancels trade deals and enacts tariffs

*No wait we didn't mean THOSE deals and tariffs besides he didn't mean it

:smuggo:

# ¿ Mar 5, 2018 15:38

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

why are you loving people so obsessed about chinese SOEs buying garbage canadian assets? like grouse mountain?

# ¿ Mar 5, 2018 15:56

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

oh no u guys anbang just bought a ski hill that has the worst skiing in the province and is only going to get less snow in the future

we must stop this because if we don't the chinese could literally be setting 24 susses drive on fire

# ¿ Mar 5, 2018 15:58

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

guys, I realize these ideas are hard to parse in your patriotic minds so to take the edge off your triggers, here's a soother

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTuIt1LaxPo

# ¿ Mar 5, 2018 18:28

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Baronjutter posted:

A chinese state corporation has just purchased a controlling share in Keg Restaurants Ltd.

that's cool does this mean they'll start serving dim sum on carts instead of brunch

# ¿ Mar 5, 2018 18:43

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2013/01/11/is_minor_hockey_worth_it.html

quote:

Hockey is still perceived as a blue-collar sport, and that�s where its roots are. But it isn�t anymore. Even the middle class has trouble keeping up with the costs. At the highest level, it has become a rich man�s game. �If you look at the best players in the league,� a Triple-A coach says, �a lot of them are in a high socio-economic bracket. They don�t necessarily have a lot of drive, they�re just incredibly skilled. And they�re afforded the opportunity to have the best instructors, and that is their advantage. Their advantage is that they have money.�

hmmmm

# ¿ Mar 5, 2018 21:11

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

just fyi sam nunberg did his undergrad at mcgill lmao

# ¿ Mar 6, 2018 03:09

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

kwantlen is now a degree granting university

if you don't have a problem with that, that's fine i guess

# ¿ Mar 6, 2018 03:39

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

how many of you community college assholes own this t shirt

be honest

# ¿ Mar 6, 2018 04:38

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

MA-Horus posted:

Canned mixed drinks are perfectly fine for when you want to toss poo poo into a cooler and go down to a park or something, they're not very good but if people don't like/want beer or wine it's an alternative.

# ¿ Mar 6, 2018 15:42

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

https://twitter.com/globalnews/status/970839603107201025

oh wow this will be great because finally we can get cheap amstrad and tax free walkers

on the other hand, jack layton's corpse just died a little more

# ¿ Mar 6, 2018 15:59

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/971037165164605441

it's always the goldman sachs bankers who are sabotaging canada's long march to full communism

# ¿ Mar 6, 2018 16:04

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

but weed on the other hand, weed is an agent of good and enlightenment and universal cure

# ¿ Mar 6, 2018 18:17

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

EvilJoven posted:

F u guys I have a sweet tooth and also had like a 6500kcal deficit to make up for.

Also we used some of it for cooking because it makes breakfast meats even better.

big up for all this loving insane winter biking you're doing. almost makes me want to hahahahhahahahahahahahahaha

# ¿ Mar 6, 2018 19:20

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 08:57

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Stickarts posted:

I was going to make a snarky post about the dippers being DOA as per usual but BaronJutter beat me to it.

They are absolutely terrified of providing any sort of vision. How much is it that the party�s true lefties are muzzled by federal apparatchik vs. The party has become just a bunch of newly-mouthed liberals-dyed-orange? I know there was controversy around the last convention about the freezing out of some views.

I wonder if an ideological splintering might just be for the best at this point. The NDP is never going to win anyway, the dirty commies amongst their ranks might as well be true to their values. Then maybe actual alternatives to the status quo might enter the national dialogue.

but woke bae's suit game is on point

# ¿ Mar 6, 2018 20:01

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