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Onion Knight posted:Maybe I'm thinking of someone else but TheNakedFantastic's gimmick (or terrible brain or whatever) is that he's a economically-left (marxist?) racist. It's a common gimmick, and was the original foundation of national socialism before a certain A.H. decided to make it all about racism with an extra helping of racism. Dapper_Swindler posted:this. when you feed a ignorant, probably not financially secure person a bunch of bullshit about the minorities/wealth/all that poo poo for couple of generations, they start to believe it. this is the result. There's a common thread here with James Murdoch, son of Rupert Murdoch / Satan. Whereas Rupes is slightly more progressive than his awful news agencies are, but adopts right-wing and neo-liberal rhetoric to further his economic goals, James never really got the memo that it's cynical money-grabbing and so while being environmentally progressive he's a completely unhinged neo-liberal shitbag who barely knows what he's doing and embarrasses his father when it comes to business acumen. Or 'hosed the company' as his sister eloquently put it. Likewise the GOP establishment adopt that rhetoric to scoop up votes from the jerkholes and provide scapegoats for when things go arse-up, but the danger is now people who genuinely believe it are getting into the machine itself, GOPing up the works.
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Liberal_L33t posted:Good loving lord, why does D&D still put up with poo poo like this being posted "ironically"? No other subforum would, not even GBS. Please never post this kind of discourse poisoning crap again. Would you say that we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children?
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:This is the part I don't get when I think about the current state of the Republican party. Why court the crazy, paranoid reactionaries so aggresively? Surely it wasn't the only way to win, considering how much of the center the Democrats control. Take centrist positions and force the Democrats leftward, and there is still a big enough base in the center-right without the fringe weirdos. And didn't anyone know what it would do to the party long-term? Enthusiasm. After Bush spent eight years expanding the government, building a massive security apparatus, engaging in foreign wars, spending tons of government money, and wrecking the economy, the Republican base wasn't very happy with the party. They were disappointed with Bush, and saw McCain as more of the same, someone who would pay lip service to the religious and small-government types while really just ignoring them and focusing entirely on giving tax money to rich people. McCain was seen as just a third term of Bush, and Dems were way more motivated to vote against Bush term 3 (especially with Obama stirring up Dem enthusiasm) than Rs were to vote for it. With the Bush albatross hanging around the GOP's neck, it was doubtful whether McCain could win with centrists either. So they decided to veer right as a way to energize the base, position McCain as a maverick conservative true believer rather than just another boring pro-business establishment politician, and brought in Palin to seal the deal. Sensible enough, but it backfired - they didn't buy McCain's right turn, and on top of that, they blamed him and his bland pro-business alignment for holding back their True Conservative Hero from Alaska. The resulting uproar changed the result of some House races in the next election, and a number of House members bandwagoned onto the movement to exploit its popularity and enthusiasm, leading to the Tea Party Caucus. Now that's mostly faded and been absorbed into the mainstream GOP, but it's being heavily exaggerated in the primaries - considering the last few decades of Republican presidents, there's a desire to be someone the base genuinely likes as a believable conservative, since the GOP voters are sick of lukewarm but electable candidates. Honestly, it's not that different from the Dems, except that the Dems only have two candidates (the center one and the left one) while the GOP has an enormous field of washouts and has-beens all trying to put themselves somewhere on that spectrum.
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rscott posted:Would you say that we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children? He actually did say this, albeit in more than fourteen words, in the Refugee Crisis thread.
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Nov 4, 2015 15:30
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Tesseraction posted:He actually did say this, albeit in more than fourteen words, in the Refugee Crisis thread. So... kill all white men yes? Yes. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Liberal_L33t posted:Good loving lord, why does D&D still put up with poo poo like this being posted "ironically"? No other subforum would, not even GBS. Bet anything you like everyone posting this nonsense is white as the driven snow.
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Nov 4, 2015 15:55
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BarbarianElephant posted:Bet anything you like everyone posting this nonsense is white as the driven snow. So it's definitely not ironic in that case.
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Nov 4, 2015 15:57
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Tesseraction posted:So it's definitely not ironic in that case. Huh? White people want to wipe themselves out?
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BarbarianElephant posted:Huh? White people want to wipe themselves out? That is what LibL33t actually believes, yes. White guilt or something. It's not very coherent, really.
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computer parts posted:I mean, they also put up with you saying the same thing about Islam. And yet a religion is not a race.
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Call Me Charlie posted:Hillary Clinton is not Bill Clinton. People aren't going to storm the polls for Hillary because their memories of Bill as president. He hasn't started stumping for her yet, but the second she gets the nomination he certainly will.
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Trent posted:And yet a religion is not a race. True, but you ever notice how when most people like that talk about Muslims, they always seem to be referring to only a single, specific ethnic group of people? Almost like referring to them by a predominant religion is used as some sort of shorthand, possibly to disguise their true intent. Weird how that seems to be the case so much of the time, isn't it? E: And one certainly needed look very far in the GOP to find examples of exactly this.
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Saying Islam is not a race is ignoring the way people use "race" in everyday language. Technically, there is no such thing as race. It doesn't exist. It's a relic of old theories and solely useful for taking about why people are prejudiced against physically and culturally different groups. Please note that no-one is ever concerned or prejudiced against lily white Muslim converts.
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Nov 5, 2015 00:05
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BarbarianElephant posted:Please note that no-one is ever concerned or prejudiced against lily white Muslim converts. I am (concerned, not prejudiced). There was a white convert from my city who went nuts and joined Daesh. That's orders of magnitude more concerning to me than a Syrian or Lebanese immigrant who identifies as Muslim, for example. In fact, converts taking poo poo too seriously and doing nutty things is one of the most concerning things to me, although I recognize that only a small fraction of converts become fundamentalists or militants.
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Nov 5, 2015 00:15
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BarbarianElephant posted:Please note that no-one is ever concerned or prejudiced against lily white Muslim converts. Although I agree with you "Muslim" is usually short hand for "Arab" that's not really true. Tons of people are afraid of homegrown terrorists from converts.
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PT6A posted:I am (concerned, not prejudiced). There was a white convert from my city who went nuts and joined Daesh. That's orders of magnitude more concerning to me than a Syrian or Lebanese immigrant who identifies as Muslim, for example. In fact, converts taking poo poo too seriously and doing nutty things is one of the most concerning things to me, although I recognize that only a small fraction of converts become fundamentalists or militants. They're more likely to be someone who felt directionless and dissatisfied with life and felt that dying in battle would give meaning to it. America's weird hawkish foreign policy doesn't help with such ideas, although I wouldn't suggest it's the cause (if I did I'd be wrong, as it's happened in many, many other countries with less hawkish foreign policy). Islam is not the disease here, it's just their way of trying to cure it. Unfortunately with the gross, Islamic-version-of-GOP-Christianity instead of the peaceful "do what you want, matey" style that the vast majority of Muslims practise.
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Tesseraction posted:They're more likely to be someone who felt directionless and dissatisfied with life and felt that dying in battle would give meaning to it. America's weird hawkish foreign policy doesn't help with such ideas, although I wouldn't suggest it's the cause (if I did I'd be wrong, as it's happened in many, many other countries with less hawkish foreign policy). Islam is not the disease here, it's just their way of trying to cure it. Unfortunately with the gross, Islamic-version-of-GOP-Christianity instead of the peaceful "do what you want, matey" style that the vast majority of Muslims practise. Oh, for sure. Those converts who do become militants are already likely mentally deranged, the problem is the same motivation that leads some people to convert also leads them toward militancy. The religion itself is not to blame; it could just as easily be any other persuasive force that causes them to go nuts and try to kill people.
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PT6A posted:Oh, for sure. Those converts who do become militants are already likely mentally deranged, the problem is the same motivation that leads some people to convert also leads them toward militancy. The religion itself is not to blame; it could just as easily be any other persuasive force that causes them to go nuts and try to kill people. Just checking.  I'm from a part of the UK that's a major source of Daesh defectors and I'm not worried in the slightest about the effects of Islam. I've spoken to the community plenty since before the war even started and while there's some... hot takes... on Israel's role in things, they by and large see it as a weird war by psuedo-Muslims.The problem is the listlessness that's fostered by the shittiness of the system at the moment - we also have Brits with military experience defecting to join the Russian separatists in Donetsk / Luhansk. People are fed up of being constantly poo poo on by rich people and figure dying in a warzone is better than starving to death in our lovely, spiteful 'welfare' system.
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Okay D&D, chew on this one - what if Trump's candidacy is merely the expression of a new and refreshingly fascist political movement? Obviously I'm getting at the fact that The Donald's political stardom is built around his Mussolini-esque chest beating bravado - a character that he's perfected over decades and decades of exposure to the media of New York City. Trump is tremendously popular with blue collar white dudes from Boston to Baltimore, and could probably whip up a GOTV effort like nobody has ever seen previous. There's never been an outsider candidate like Trump, think about it. Besides Trump being independently megarich, or his overflowing rolodex of high-society and hollywood contacts, he knows how to do one thing more than any other politician since Reagan: act in front of a TV camera. He knows how to stay on message - solely his own, I might add - and he knows how to remain at the very forefront of the TV-consuming public. Trump being a serious presidential candidate seriously upends so many conceptions of what being a candidate even means - up until now, even the most wild-eyed sky admiral had to speak with an almost academic distance from the audience. Now we've got a goombah with a bad toupee calling a literal aristocrat a low energy loser, and winning because of it. If Trump manages to come close to winning, does he try to take his newly earned political cachet and build something with it?
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when this race is over I predict Trump goes back to doing whatever he was doing before it. and there is plenty of room for a nativist right-populist movement that is still short of literal fascism. the best outcome, of course, would be for such a movement to take shape and continue after Trump's candidacy, crippling the Republican party, but i don't think that will happen unfortunately. Trump is just an omen as to the internal weakness of the Republicans
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icantfindaname posted:when this race is over I predict Trump goes back to doing whatever he was doing before it. and there is plenty of room for a nativist right-populist movement that is still short of literal fascism. the best outcome, of course, would be for such a movement to take shape and continue after Trump's candidacy, crippling the Republican party, but i don't think that will happen unfortunately. Trump is just an omen as to the internal weakness of the Republicans I don't think there's any scenario where I see sustained fascism from the right wing as a positive scenario.
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RuanGacho posted:I don't think there's any scenario where I see sustained fascism from the right wing as a positive scenario. People seem to think that if the American right wing become literal fascists, then they'll stop winning elections. They wont. They'll just drag the Democrats over to where the Republicans used to be politically. Again.
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hakkart posted:People seem to think that if the American right wing become literal fascists, then they'll stop winning elections. Except there's only so far you can drag the Overton window and there's a sizeable portion of the US electorate who keep the Democrats centrist-leaning even as their Blue Dogs try and chase that sweet, sweet racist vote.
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hakkart posted:People seem to think that if the American right wing become literal fascists, then they'll stop winning elections. Hard to justify this when the Democrats have been going left for the past 5 years.
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Pretty much, the ending of the Fairness Doctrine under Reagan and the rise of the talk-radio right under Clinton fostered a perfect environment for the rightward drift of the Dems, especially when trying to win against the Bush Family Ratfuck Spectacular, but now the hate machine seems to be fracturing under the kind of internal strife that previously self-immolated the left-wing/far-left (over ideological purity vs. 'pragmatism', to say nothing of ideological roots). Maybe that's the end result of right-wing/far-right groups in the post-Reagan / (First) Cold War era, fracturing like the left did. Of course, bringing it back to this thread's topic, I wouldn't say it's the death knell for the GOP, but it certainly feels like a crossing of the Rubicon as far as how the party works from now on.
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Tesseraction posted:Except there's only so far you can drag the Overton window Lol
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TheNakedFantastic posted:What literally happened in the US is that the Elite have purposefully inundated the native population in the US with immigrants for decades now and it's radically altered demographics in the US while also coinciding with the destruction of many white communities. Republicans may believe lots of stupid poo poo but at least some of the "conspiracy theory" is correct. Whether you think it's a good thing or not that the US has changed from essentially a white nation to what it is today is debatable, but it's not crazy. So you're the villain from a Matthew Bracken novel, cheering on the liberal conspiracy (that doesn't exist) to flood America with brown people so they can take over the country and kill whitey. Gotta be a troll.
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I'll qualify that... "without a significant breakdown in the way society works." i.e., outbreak of guerrillas, revolution, mass riots, legalised dog prostitution
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*drops comically-oversized manilla folder full of opinion poll results from the first week of November 2011 on desk* Folks, the Herman Cain juggernaut looks unstoppable. Can you believe it. The establishment candidates like Romney are completely marginalized. The inmates are running the asylum and, imho, the GOP establishment is probably all like "whaaaa... dafaq?". *chuckles* Might as well stick a fork in those dusty white buttholes (the bad sort of white - unlike the other skin colors, the white skin color comes in two different varieties of person).
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uncle wrinkles posted:*drops comically-oversized manilla folder full of opinion poll results from the first week of November 2011 on desk* Folks, the Herman Cain juggernaut looks unstoppable. Can you believe it. The establishment candidates like Romney are completely marginalized. The inmates are running the asylum and, imho, the GOP establishment is probably all like "whaaaa... dafaq?". *chuckles* Might as well stick a fork in those dusty white buttholes (the bad sort of white - unlike the other skin colors, the white skin color comes in two different varieties of person). Haha, wow, you're right! All black people DO look the same! Thanks again Uncle Wrinkles, you've taught us everything we need to know about political theory. I mean, why even bother forming new thoughts when these old ones still work fine?
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computer parts posted:Hard to justify this when the Democrats have been going left for the past 5 years. I forget, how much of this is "the Blue Dogs all lost, the remaining Dems are still basically where they were" and how much is a genuine leftward shift?
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point of return posted:I forget, how much of this is "the Blue Dogs all lost, the remaining Dems are still basically where they were" and how much is a genuine leftward shift? IIRC some of it is also the party stance on gay marriage changing from "outlook hazy, ask again later" to "yes".
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MODS CURE JOKES posted:Haha, wow, you're right! All black people DO look the same! Thanks again Uncle Wrinkles, you've taught us everything we need to know about political theory. I mean, why even bother forming new thoughts when these old ones still work fine? Truly, who else but a racist would mock your deep political insights and scintillating predictions based on completely irrelevant parts of the polling cycle.
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Just got the poll results back and it seems Wesley Clark is going to be the 2004 Democratic nominee. Here's my 600-word essay on why the Democratic Party is inevitably heading towards a military junta. Feel free to discuss but anyone who debates must think gay people are incapable of being trusted around children.
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Then every election cycle is the same, then? Boy howdy, let's all get on the Jeb Bush bandwagon then! Or maybe, we shouldn't even bother running a democratic campaign at all if the voters are gonna be fatigued over an 8 year run 
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point of return posted:I forget, how much of this is "the Blue Dogs all lost, the remaining Dems are still basically where they were" and how much is a genuine leftward shift? Why is the former not evidence of the latter? The Dixiecrats leaving was definitely a leftward shift for the Democratic Party.
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uncle wrinkles posted:Truly, who else but a racist would mock your deep political insights and scintillating predictions based on completely irrelevant parts of the polling cycle. I mean it's kind of odd you went to Herman Cain when there's literally a candidate from that election whose name is "rear end Juice" or Newt Gingrich.
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Cabbit posted:I mean it's kind of odd you went to Herman Cain when there's literally a candidate from that election whose name is "rear end Juice" or Newt Gingrich. At this point in time back in 2011, Cain lead in the polls. Gingrich didn't pull ahead until later on in November. While the analogy is imperfect in some regards (Trump's been leading for longer than Cain), it adequately illustrates how trying to form grandiose conclusions about the direction or health of an American political party based on polls a year before the election is tremendously stupid. uncle wrinkles fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Nov 6, 2015 |
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