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Anidav posted:gently caress I'm kinda really down that the Liberal Party can get away with raising the GST without a fuss but the ALP couldn't get away with a simple and compensated price on Carbon. Which party is the Murdoch press in the tank for?
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They haven't technically announced it yet, they've just let Murdoch leak it to test the waters. I don't think it'll go down quite as easily as Sunday long-weekend-in-Victoria press coverage would lead you to believe. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-01/government-describes-reports-gst-rise-as-speculation/6903126
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Nov 1, 2015 07:49
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Isn't the GST a great big tax on everything?
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Anidav posted:gently caress I'm kinda really down that the Liberal Party can get away with raising the GST without a fuss but the ALP couldn't get away with a simple and compensated price on Carbon. What industry and media conglomerate is paying huge stacks of cash to piss in the well of public opinion?
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Nov 1, 2015 07:55
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Les Affaires posted:Isn't the GST a great big tax on everything? No, next question please
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Nov 1, 2015 08:25
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I don't care. the argument that we should pay more should always be a tooth and nail battle and it shouldn't be as simply as tossing a few million in the Herald Sun and riding the wave on the corpse of the middle class.
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Nov 1, 2015 08:25
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On one hand, this will encourage state governments to increase the amount of money people are spending on consumption. On the other, it will also increase the notional cost of a helmet for riding a bike. Tough one really.
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Nov 1, 2015 08:29
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Anidav posted:I don't care. the argument that we should pay more should always be a tooth and nail battle and it shouldn't be as simply as tossing a few million in the Herald Sun and riding the wave on the corpse of the middle class. have you considered that perhaps the country is fukt, mate
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Nov 1, 2015 08:41
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So is Australia still going to hell in a handbasket because Turnbull sucks only slightly less than Abbot, and because China won't stop imploding fiscally?
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Goddamned it.
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Nov 1, 2015 08:45
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How about this, you can only talk about raising the GST if you also talk about what you'll pay for when you raise the GST.
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Nov 1, 2015 08:45
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The answer is Coal Mines and gently caress You.
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Nov 1, 2015 08:48
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Birb Katter posted:How about this, you can only talk about raising the GST if you also talk about what you'll pay for when you raise the GST. Income tax breaks
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katlington posted:Income tax breaks Awesome, so we can use the money we're gonna get from the tax cuts to buy more things! ...That are higher price because of the GST hike. Welp.
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Nov 1, 2015 08:59
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Grouchio posted:So is Australia still going to hell in a handbasket because Turnbull sucks only slightly less than Abbot, and because China won't stop imploding fiscally? We could survive one maybe, but not both.
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Nov 1, 2015 09:12
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Anidav posted:gently caress I'm kinda really down that the Liberal Party can get away with raising the GST without a fuss but the ALP couldn't get away with a simple and compensated price on Carbon. It's true, they've completely gotten away with it without anybody noticing or caring.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:It's true, they've completely gotten away with it without anybody noticing or caring. I woke up this morning and the gst was 100% and nobody said a fuckim thing what the gently caress m8
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Solemn Sloth posted:I woke up this morning and the gst was 100% and nobody said a fuckim thing what the gently caress m8 He would still win the election.
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Nov 1, 2015 09:29
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turnbull could murder a man in cold blood on live television the day before the election and would still win against bill shorten
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BBJoey posted:turnbull could murder a man in cold blood on live television the day before the election and would still win against bill shorten The murdered man would still poll higher than Shorten. No matter who it was. Hell, if you asked me my preferred PM between Turnbull, Shorten and a desiccated corpse I'd probably pick the corpse.
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Nov 1, 2015 11:35
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Could probably enforce the taxes we already have before raising the GST.
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Nov 1, 2015 11:56
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Taxes for some, miniature Australian flags for others.
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BBJoey posted:turnbull could murder a man in cold blood on live television the day before the election and would still win against bill shorten Kinda puts a different spin on Bill Hayden's "Drover's Dog" quote
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The media has spent a year or so preparing the public for "we need more money for health care and public transport and we don't enough of it". Act I is now complete. Act II is getting the public fooled into thinking a higher GST will solve all our problems and anyone else who is NOT YOU personally might be harmed by it, but YOU personally will get a TAX CUT and those poor people who are most defiantly NOT YOU will get the harsh treatment THEY deserve. Act III is winning the election, increasing the GST and rewarding big business who backed Turnball.
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Nov 1, 2015 13:03
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Oh god the new three word slogan is work, save, invest because we can't treat voters like adults. Also surely a GST hike would reduce demand somewhat. Not good when we are heading for recession.
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Comstar posted:
And then a major recession comes and fucks it all up. poo poo has a way of happening. They probably think a downturn will help with the divide and conquer game, but it could easily go the other way and backfire. Like the government of the last two years, winning the election is a pyrrhic victory and everyone loses.
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ewe2 posted:And then a major recession comes and fucks it all up. poo poo has a way of happening. They probably think a downturn will help with the divide and conquer game, but it could easily go the other way and backfire. Like the government of the last two years, winning the election is a pyrrhic victory and everyone loses. Humanity is a game of diminishing returns.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Also surely a GST hike would reduce demand somewhat. Not good when we are heading for recession.
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Nov 1, 2015 14:58
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So in order to offset the GST hike they'll increase concessions to low income earners and the unemployed? Can't wait for the inevitable uproar over those filthy dole bludgers (AKA me) rorting the system.
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MaliciousOnion posted:So in order to offset the GST hike they'll increase concessions to low income earners and the unemployed? lol
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Nov 1, 2015 15:18
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Kyrgyzstan is lovely this time of year
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Have we tried kill all the poor and raise the GST?
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What's the point of tax breaks for low income earners if for the next six months their already on the edge grocery bills go up? Wow, it'll be great in July/August when we get an extra ten bucks back, shame I've gone without toilet paper since January.
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MysticalMachineGun posted:What's the point of tax breaks for low income earners if for the next six months their already on the edge grocery bills go up? Wow, it'll be great in July/August when we get an extra ten bucks back, shame I've gone without toilet paper since January. I guess the theory is they'll also play around with the income tax rates, but with the 0% limit already at $18k, the really low income groups aren't paying much tax to start with, so that will make bugger all difference.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:35
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I wonder if they are heartless enough to raise the GST but not raise New start?
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Nov 1, 2015 23:48
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Anidav posted:I wonder if they are heartless enough to raise the GST but not raise New start? We're not going to raise taxes just to give the leaners another handout! We've got to take the sugar off the table! *pensioners nod along wisely*
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Anidav posted:I wonder if they are heartless enough to raise the GST but not raise New start? Count on it, Newstart folks will just get a once off supplement. Akin to labours the stimulus package and carbon tax offsets.
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The stimulus extended to newstart will be a cut. Think of it as a stimulus to lift.
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MysticalMachineGun posted:What's the point of tax breaks for low income earners if for the next six months their already on the edge grocery bills go up? Wow, it'll be great in July/August when we get an extra ten bucks back, shame I've gone without toilet paper since January. They're not going to give low income earners tax breaks. Also Turnbull is getting rid of knights and dames. Smart move, makes idiot swing voters and labor voters caught up in the cult of mal think he is undoing Abbotts damage without doing anything to the policies which actually gently caress up the country and world.
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"maybe the Liberals will make it easier for poor people to recieve welfare in compensation for regressive taxes" -nobody, ever (et.al)
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