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AtomikKrab
Jul 17, 2010

Keep on GOP rolling rolling rolling rolling.

Unless posted:


Interesting piece of news came through my feed this morning: If domestic production of oil continues, Saudi Arabia's cash reserves will be completely depleted in five years.




Ok so I did a quick check because that graphic on its own does not compute. The details are very important.


That price listed is the price needed to "balance" the budget of the state in question, not the price per barrel of their production costs. Saudis are like 20 bux or less a barrel for their oil but they simply have massive massive spending programs and a lot of infrastructure construction as well. They will simply cut back the excess.

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Magres
Jul 14, 2011

Rygar201 posted:

This is disingenuous. Sanders went on a city trip to a city in the USSR, his wife was one of many other attendees, and it fell shortly after his their wedding. Suggesting it was some glorious communist honeymoon paints a very different picture.

All I'm hearing is that Bernie Sanders went to the USSR and it collapsed shortly after

:bernin:

Mitt Romney
Nov 9, 2005
dumb and bad

RuanGacho posted:

Obama is quietly saving America from itself with the everything and the kitchen sink energy policy.

Short term its not ideal but if it stays on course in the long term no one will have to give a poo poo about the middle east anymore except for humanitarian reasons.

It could work out quite brilliantly if it lasts long enough for alternative energy to take over.

Energy independence is very important and hopefully we can get it to the point where anytime suggests invading the middle east again they get laughed out of office.

Mitt Romney
Nov 9, 2005
dumb and bad

AtomikKrab posted:

Ok so I did a quick check because that graphic on its own does not compute. The details are very important.


That price listed is the price needed to "balance" the budget of the state in question, not the price per barrel of their production costs. Saudis are like 20 bux or less a barrel for their oil but they simply have massive massive spending programs and a lot of infrastructure construction as well. They will simply cut back the excess.

Having to cut their budget by ~50-70% will cause massive instability.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

AtomikKrab posted:

Ok so I did a quick check because that graphic on its own does not compute. The details are very important.


That price listed is the price needed to "balance" the budget of the state in question, not the price per barrel of their production costs. Saudis are like 20 bux or less a barrel for their oil but they simply have massive massive spending programs and a lot of infrastructure construction as well. They will simply cut back the excess.

Yeah, I was going to call bullshit, because Canadian oil sands needs what; an USD $80/barrel price just to break even?

I can't even imagine what it would need to be to create a Federal budget surplus. :psyduck:

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

AtomikKrab posted:

Ok so I did a quick check because that graphic on its own does not compute. The details are very important.


That price listed is the price needed to "balance" the budget of the state in question, not the price per barrel of their production costs. Saudis are like 20 bux or less a barrel for their oil but they simply have massive massive spending programs and a lot of infrastructure construction as well. They will simply cut back the excess.

This is even more interesting then because if true it means that if internal spending is a way to keep down civil unrest you could have more of these rigid governments ( looking at you Iran) facing greater internal pressure if there isnt any outside sources of income to keep things running.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

Mitt Romney posted:

Having to cut their budget by ~50-70% will cause massive instability.

A giant heap of their budget is put towards turning Mecca into a shopping mall during the Hajj and expanding the hotels in the area (at the expense of actual relics and places of Mohammed's era, because, you know, Wahhabism).

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

RuanGacho posted:

This is even more interesting then because if true it means that if internal spending is a way to keep down civil unrest you could have more of these rigid governments ( looking at you Iran) facing greater internal pressure if there isnt any outside sources of income to keep things running.

This is literally a huge part of why Iran wants nuclear power generation. If they can sell their oil instead of burning it for electricity, they have a ton more money to play with.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Magres posted:

All I'm hearing is that Bernie Sanders went to the USSR and it collapsed shortly after

:bernin:

I heard Romney went to France during Vietnam doing Mormon Missonary work instead of dying in a rice field. And this is why France is a major Mormon stronghold today.
oh wait

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

happyhippy posted:

I heard Romney went to France during Vietnam doing Mormon Missonary work instead of dying in a rice field. And this is why France is a major Mormon stronghold today.
oh wait

Reading between the lines, I actually wouldn't be surprised if he was a dumb kid and wanted to enlist (or at least proselytize in Africa or something) his dad went "lol no you will do a cushy mission in France and you will like it". Papa Romney was a very decent dude, but I can understand wanting to coddle your kid.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

JonathonSpectre posted:

Yeah, I know if I had the chance to gently caress a hot woman 20 years younger than me I'd turn it down in a heartbeat to prove my superior morals. :rolleyes:

Wha? I think you misunderstood the reason for posting that.

Joe the Strummer
Jun 14, 2012

pathetic little tramp posted:

How to go as Jeb Bush for halloween, hmmmm, how to go as Jeb Bush for Halloween?





I love JEB! Aside from Trump he is my favorite candidate this year.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

AtomikKrab posted:

Ok so I did a quick check because that graphic on its own does not compute. The details are very important.


That price listed is the price needed to "balance" the budget of the state in question, not the price per barrel of their production costs. Saudis are like 20 bux or less a barrel for their oil but they simply have massive massive spending programs and a lot of infrastructure construction as well. They will simply cut back the excess.

The problem is that this "excess" is the only thing keeping their political order running. They are a welfare payment away from an uprising.

e: gently caress, beaten like a Saudi woman who attempted to drive.

Absurd Alhazred fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Nov 1, 2015

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Everybody here remember Mitt Romney and the Infinite Sadness? The Jeb version of that would be too powerful for this world.

Unless
Jul 24, 2005

I art



happyhippy posted:

I heard Romney went to France during Vietnam doing Mormon Missonary work instead of dying in a rice field. And this is why France is a major Mormon stronghold today.
oh wait

In the history of the Left, I always found that echo in him fascinating:

Washington Post posted:

A hotbed of communism, atheism, anarchism and socialism, 1968 France represents the opposite of 2012’s Mitt Romney. And yet Romney walked the streets of Paris in 1968 during the revolts. He debated the Vietnam War with the French and had countless doors slammed in his face because of his conservative beliefs. He engaged in long conversations in cafés and bars with people who not only hated America, but hated God and everything else Romney had come over to sell. It certainly would have made him aware of a larger, wilder world. We should not underestimate the effect of this time on him, even if it may have served to galvanize Romney permanently against such views. Picture a well-coiffed (if somewhat stiff) kid in a suit handing out flyers about Joseph Smith, as Gauloise-smoking crowds fling paving stones and cry out, “Même si Dieu existait, il faudrait le supprimer!” (“Even if God existed, we’d have to get rid of him!”).

Kobayashi posted:

This is something I haven't paid much attention to and don't know much about. What happened? Are we producing that much more domestically? Is demand down dramatically? All of the above? Something else?

NYTimes posted:

United States domestic production has nearly doubled over the last six years, pushing out oil imports that need to find another home. Saudi, Nigerian and Algerian oil that once was sold in the United States is suddenly competing for Asian markets, and the producers are forced to drop prices. Canadian and Iraqi oil production and exports are rising year after year. Even the Russians, with all their economic problems, manage to keep pumping.

There are signs, however, that production is beginning to fall in the United States and some other oil producing countries because of the drop in exploration investments.

On the demand side, the economies of Europe and developing countries are weakening and vehicles are becoming more energy-efficient. So demand for fuel is lagging a bit. China's recent devaluation of its currency suggests the economy of the world's biggest oil importer may be worse off than expected.

In short: more efficient use (SUVs were terrible), advancements in extraction leading to 2nd boom in U.S.

The peak oil stuff seems super remote right now, and that's an odd feeling.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Absurd Alhazred posted:

The problem is that this "excess" is the only thing keeping their political order running. They are a welfare payment away from an uprising.

e: gently caress, beaten like a Saudi woman who attempted to drive.

Like most autocratic regimes, they will probably get rid of health care and food subsidies and other stuff before they cut back on boarding schools and Rolls Royces for the family.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

sullat posted:

Like most autocratic regimes, they will probably get rid of health care and food subsidies and other stuff before they cut back on boarding schools and Rolls Royces for the family.

Problem is "the family" is a significant portion of the population.

Unless
Jul 24, 2005

I art



Absurd Alhazred posted:

Problem is "the family" is a significant portion of the population.

And they're already looking for new sources of income.

quote:

In a 2014 report, the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime says the amphetamine market is on the rise in the Middle East, with Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria accounting for more than 55% of amphetamines seized worldwide.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Fred Thompson is the handsomest District Attorney on TV :smith:

Unless
Jul 24, 2005

I art



Tom Morello's op-ed for Rolling Stone should be in this thread every month Paul Ryan is Speaker of the House.

quote:

Paul Ryan's love of Rage Against the Machine is amusing, because he is the embodiment of the machine that our music has been raging against for two decades. Charles Manson loved the Beatles but didn't understand them. Governor Chris Christie loves Bruce Springsteen but doesn't understand him. And Paul Ryan is clueless about his favorite band, Rage Against the Machine.

Ryan claims that he likes Rage's sound, but not the lyrics. Well, I don't care for Paul Ryan's sound or his lyrics. He can like whatever bands he wants, but his guiding vision of shifting revenue more radically to the one percent is antithetical to the message of Rage.

I wonder what Ryan's favorite Rage song is? Is it the one where we condemn the genocide of Native Americans? The one lambasting American imperialism? Our cover of "gently caress the Police"? Or is it the one where we call on the people to seize the means of production? So many excellent choices to jam out to at Young Republican meetings!

Don't mistake me, I clearly see that Ryan has a whole lotta "rage" in him: A rage against women, a rage against immigrants, a rage against workers, a rage against gays, a rage against the poor, a rage against the environment. Basically the only thing he's not raging against is the privileged elite he's groveling in front of for campaign contributions.

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night. So, when they look themselves in the mirror, they convince themselves that "Those people are undeserving. They're . . . lesser." Some of these guys on the extreme right are more cynical than Paul Ryan, but he seems to really believe in this stuff. This unbridled rage against those who have the least is a cornerstone of the Romney-Ryan ticket.

But Rage's music affects people in different ways. Some tune out what the band stands for and concentrate on the moshing and throwing elbows in the pit. For others, Rage has changed their minds and their lives. Many activists around the world, including organizers of the global occupy movement, were radicalized by Rage Against the Machine and work tirelessly for a more humane and just planet. Perhaps Paul Ryan was moshing when he should have been listening.

My hope is that maybe Paul Ryan is a mole. Maybe Rage did plant some sensible ideas in this extreme fringe right wing nut job. Maybe if elected, he'll pardon Leonard Peltier. Maybe he'll throw U.S. military support behind the Zapatistas. Maybe he'll fill Guantanamo Bay with the corporate criminals that are funding his campaign – and then torture them with Rage music 24/7. That's one possibility. But I'm not betting on it.

Rhesus Pieces
Jun 27, 2005

quote:

@daveweigel: Reps from Graham, Santorum and Jindal campaigns say they’ll argue for two debates of 7 randomly chosen candidates at tonight’s meeting.

:lol: why are they even bothering

Remember when Walker dropped out and requested that others do the same to "clear the field," presumably so Jeb could gain on Trump and Carson? That was funny.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
Sorry to herald more gunchat, and for the source, but at least it wasn't a college this time?

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Thompson was minority counsel to the Senate Republican during the Watergate hearings.

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx

Joementum posted:

Fred Thompson is the handsomest District Attorney on TV :smith:

I wonder if he got an adequate reverse mortgage.:ohdear:

Subvisual Haze
Nov 22, 2003

The building was on fire and it wasn't my fault.

Joementum posted:

Fred Thompson is the handsomest District Attorney on TV :smith:

Operator of the laziest presidential "campaign" ever.

SpiderHyphenMan
Apr 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
My favorite part of this is the placement of the farmer/klansman in the foreground suggesting that Kelly originally drew the cartoon without him before his editor told him he needed to add a white guy getting violent about racism too.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
The idea of Bohener using Catholic guilt on Ryan is incredible. It really is a powerful tool.

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.


SpiderHyphenMan posted:

My favorite part of this is the placement of the farmer/klansman in the foreground suggesting that Kelly originally drew the cartoon without him before his editor told him he needed to add a white guy getting violent about racism too.

Hoping this is a joke post.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

SpiderHyphenMan posted:

My favorite part of this is the placement of the farmer/klansman in the foreground suggesting that Kelly originally drew the cartoon without him before his editor told him he needed to add a white guy getting violent about racism too.

"Ya gotta give me the fangs!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVtbkQMwJS4

WampaLord fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Nov 2, 2015

SpiderHyphenMan
Apr 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

Beamed posted:

Hoping this is a joke post.
??? I know it's The Onion, dude. I'm saying that that's part of the joke.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

Joementum posted:

Thompson was minority counsel to the Senate Republican during the Watergate hearings.



He finally stopped caring hard enough even to stay alive. :911:

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

SedanChair posted:

He finally stopped caring hard enough even to stay alive. :911:

"Mr Thompson do you have any last words to leave your family with?"

"Uuuugh."

"He died as he lived."

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Joementum posted:

Fred Thompson is the handsomest District Attorney on TV :smith:

I managed to get to the Wikipedia page moments before someone updated it with his death. :smith:

Homura and Sickle
Apr 21, 2013

Joementum posted:

Thompson was minority counsel to the Senate Republican during the Watergate hearings.



Nixon was disappointed with the selection of Thompson, whom he called “dumb as hell.” Nixon did not think Thompson was skilled enough to interrogate unfriendly witnesses and would be outsmarted by the committee’s Democratic counsel.

This assessment comes from audiotapes of White House conversations recently reviewed by the Associated Press at the National Archives in College Park, Md., and transcripts of those discussions published in Abuse of Power: The New Watergate Tapes, by Stanley Kutler.

“Oh, poo poo, that kid,” Nixon said when told by his chief of staff, H.R. Haldeman, of Thompson’s appointment on Feb. 22, 1973.

“Well, we’re stuck with him,” Haldeman said.

Chelb
Oct 24, 2010

I'm gonna show SA-kun my shitposting!
Why did Nixon decide to record all that poo poo anyway? Tradition or some weird belief that the tapes could be useful to him? I'm rather ignorant about Watergate stuff.

Grace Baiting
Jul 20, 2012

Audi famam illius;
Cucurrit quaeque
Tetigit destruens.



Rollofthedice posted:

Why did Nixon decide to record all that poo poo anyway? Tradition or some weird belief that the tapes could be useful to him? I'm rather ignorant about Watergate stuff.

I imagine that some day I may have a story written about my life, and it would be good to have a detailed account of it.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

Rollofthedice posted:

Why did Nixon decide to record all that poo poo anyway? Tradition or some weird belief that the tapes could be useful to him? I'm rather ignorant about Watergate stuff.

I think it was something FDR or JFK started and Nixon thought he was above the law.

mystic pimp
Jul 25, 2014

Formerly-rampant human-coded AI with a sense of humor seeks bipedal oxygen-breathing cyborg for serious relationship in the galactic core. I've got cool guns if you like to break stuff. No yuppies.

OhFunny posted:

I think it was something FDR or JFK started and Nixon thought he was above the law.
I think they started taping under FDR, yeah. I remember that LBJ was very obsessive about taping his phone conversations, which is how we got that beautiful clip of him ordering pants.

Reztes
Jun 20, 2003

Nixon believed that the tapes would be useful to history, and for his library. A few months before the Watergate scandal broke, he ordered them destroyed, but for some reason they weren't.

He probably believed he could retain control of the tapes as only a small number of White House staff even knew the system existed. Once the taping system was revealed during the Watergate investigation, he claimed executive privilege and that the content of the tapes were vital to national security in order to try to keep them secret.

Reztes fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Nov 2, 2015

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Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!
Where is George Zimmerman when you need hm?

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