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BigRed0427 posted:I think part of the problem is that their are people who think the first amendment also protects them from criticism. Not censorship, criticism. Definitely, that's basically the issue with people who spout racist speech and then act indignant when everyone else calls them on it. A lot of the people who rambles about how sjws are destroying free speech are really asking for speech on the other side to be banned so they can freely voice their opinions without being criticized for it.
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Effectronica posted:Most of the underlying assumptions regarding absolutist free speech are faulty. Yelling at someone is not intended to be a reasoned attempt to convince them of their wrongness, the vast majority of the time. The explicit goal of groups like antiabortion protestors is to abuse freedom of speech to create a hostile environment that must be traversed in order to execute another right. The explicit goal of fascist marches are to cow and terrorize people. The problem is that you can't trust the government to tell what's a good speech and what's a bad speech, hence why in the US at least there's very wide latitude for expressing speech of a political nature. quote:Thus, the consequence of this absolutist attitude is the slow death of any societal values. When racism and antiracism are officially identical, racism is eternally enshrined as good. The central argument against this argument, in turn, has been to say that racism might be bad now, sure, but in the future, it may be good.
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Effectronica posted:This is more about how people think about this kind of speech, since the forces of evil, sexists, racists, etc. are often able to convince people of liberal inclinations that their beliefs must be respected through this kind of argument. I think there's a big difference between "respected" and "allowed" I don't respect a lot of arguments made by the right concerning free market fundamentalism for instance, but I don't think the Cato Institute should be banned.
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