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The U.S. Supreme Court wrestles Monday with a problem that has long plagued the criminal justice system: race discrimination in the selection of jurors.

"Numerous studies demonstrate that prosecutors use peremptory strikes to remove black jurors at significantly higher rates than white jurors."

Those are not the words of the defense in the case. They come from a group of highly regarded prosecutors, Republican and Democrat, conservative and liberal, who have filed a friend-of-the-court brief siding with Timothy Foster, who was convicted and sentenced to death in the killing of an elderly white woman in Georgia.

It has been nearly 30 years since the Supreme Court sought to toughen the rules against racial discrimination in jury selection. But Foster's lawyers argue that black jurors were systematically excluded from the jury at his trial in 1987, while judges at all levels looked the other way for nearly three decades thereafter.

Jury selection is done according to a set of rules. Prospective jurors are usually questioned by both prosecution and defense lawyers and then winnowed down in two different ways. First, the judge removes, "for cause," those jurors deemed incapable of being impartial. Next, each side, prosecution and defense, has a set number of peremptory strikes, meaning that a certain number of prospective jurors can be eliminated without a stated reason, or for no reason at all.

In 1986, the Supreme Court added a third step in a case called Batson v. Kentucky. Under the Batson rules, if the defense could show a racial pattern in prosecution peremptory strikes, the prosecutor would have to justify each one by demonstrating a nonracial reason for eliminating the juror.

Still, prosecutors found ways to get around this new rule, as demonstrated by an infamous training video made in Philadelphia in the late 1980s after the court's decision in Batson. The video features then-Assistant District Attorney Jack McMahon advising trainees that "young black women are very bad, maybe because they're downtrodden on two respects ... they're women and they're blacks."

He goes on to recommend avoiding older black women, too, as well as young black men, and all smart and well-educated prospective jurors.

But, McMahon reminded the trainees that they had to come up with a nonracial reason for their strikes: "When you do have a black juror, you question them at length and on this little sheet that you have, mark something down that you can articulate at a later time if something happens," he says.

Studies have shown that these proffered reasons are often a mere pretext for racial discrimination. A North Carolina study of jury selection in 173 death penalty cases found that black prospective jurors were more than twice as likely to be struck by the prosecution as similarly situated white jurors. A 2003 study of 390 felony jury trials prosecuted in Jefferson Parish, La., found that black prospective jurors were struck at three times the rate of whites. And in Houston County, Ala., prosecutors between 2005 and 2009 used their peremptory strikes to eliminate 80 percent of the blacks qualified for jury service in death penalty cases. The result was that half of these juries were all white, and the remainder had only a single black member, even though the county is 27 percent black.

At Timothy Foster's trial in Rome, Ga., the prosecutor used four of his nine peremptory strikes to knock out all the qualified black jurors in the jury pool. The defense cried foul, but the trial judge and every appellate court after that, including the Georgia Supreme Court, accepted the nonracial reasons. The prosecutors gave as many as a dozen reasons for striking each black prospective juror. These justifications included things like "failure to make eye contact," looking "bored," being "divorced," or "a social worker," and so on.

The appellate courts continued to accept these excuses even after Foster's lawyers obtained the prosecutor's notes in 2006 under the Georgia Open Records Act. It is rare that defense lawyers ever see these notes, and in this case, the prosecution's worksheets were not subtle.

The name of each black prospective juror was highlighted in green, circled and labeled with a "B." At the Supreme Court on Monday, defense lawyer Stephen Bright of the Southern Center for Human Rights will tell the justices that everything about those notes reeks of racial discrimination.

"They were referred to by B1, B2, B3," Bright says. "There were comparisons made among the black jurors that, if we have to take a black, maybe Ms. Hardge will be OK, or maybe Ms. Garrett will be OK. They didn't, of course, take either one of those."

Bright contends that the state of Georgia continues to change its story about the justifications. For example, prosecutors initially said they struck juror Eddie Hood because he had a son close to the defendant's age. Later, when it turned out that two white jurors had sons who were close in age, too, the prosecutor gave a different "bottom line" reason: Hood was a member of the Church of Christ.

"They insisted that the Church of Christ took a strong position against the death penalty and that any member of the Church of Christ would vote against the death penalty," Bright says.

In fact, the Church of Christ took no position on the death penalty; the prosecution notes reflect that, and Hood testified that he could vote for the death penalty.

Then there was prospective juror Marilyn Garrett. The prosecution said it struck her because she was close to the age of the defendant. Foster was 19 at the time of trial, and Garrett was 34. In contrast, the prosecution accepted eight white jurors under 35, one of whom was only two years older than Foster.

The state of Georgia refused to provide anyone to be interviewed for this story. But the state's brief says that any attempt to characterize the jury challenges as racially motivated "ignore[s] the multifaceted nature of jury selection." And the brief does provide a variety of reasons for each juror who was struck, reasons that the defense argues were not applied to similarly situated white prospective jurors.

The state's brief contends that the only reason prosecutors labeled the race of the prospective black jurors was to rebut the anticipated race discrimination claim by the defense.

No briefs have been filed in support of the state's position in the case. But, that earlier mentioned group of former state and federal prosecutors is urging the Supreme Court to invalidate Foster's conviction because of "blatant prosecutorial misconduct."

They point to study after study showing that when it comes to getting rid of racial discrimination, the current system doesn't work. Prosecutors, they say, easily game the system by giving pretextual explanations, particularly in the South. In North Carolina, for example, prosecutors routinely handed out a one-page list of such reasons in training sessions.

Judges seem to have a high threshold for seeing racial bias, even in supposedly liberal states. In California, for instance, the state Supreme Court has dealt with 114 Batson appeals since 1993, according to court opinions, and in only one case out of the 114 did the state's highest court find evidence of racial discrimination.

"It's very hard politically with elected judges, very hard psychologically with judges and prosecutors who work together all the time, for a judge to make that finding," defense lawyer Bright says.

It's also true that statistical studies show that more racially diverse juries are in fact more skeptical of the prosecution's case and less likely to impose the death penalty. A 2004 study by the Capital Jury Project found that in cases with a black defendant and a white victim, the chances of a jury imposing the death sentence were sharply lower if one or more black men served on the jury.

Monday's Supreme Court case is widely viewed as a chance for the justices to once again rap the knuckles of the lower courts, but it's unlikely the court will be willing to establish hard and fast rules to prevent the kind of systemic discrimination that most in the criminal justice system acknowledge has plagued the courts from coast to coast.

Most experts say the only way to do that would be to eliminate or drastically limit peremptory strikes, and that is a nonstarter for one simple reason. Most trial lawyers continue to believe these challenges are an essential tool for selecting a jury.

Mandy Thompson posted:

The link has a picture of the prosecutors notes where the highlighted all the black jurors with a "B".

Mandy Thompson posted:

For me this video right here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv9SJPa_dF8



Everything wrong with American justice in less than a minute. Justice and impartiality are lies. It's not unfair by mistake, It's unfair by design. It was always about control and never about justice. Innocent people get ducked in because people like this mother fucker want more people in to scare everyone into total capitulation.

http://www.npr.org/2015/11/02/452898470/supreme-court-takes-on-racial-discrimination-in-jury-selection


The link has a picture of the prosecutors notes where the highlighted all the black jurors with a "B".

Jarmak posted:

This is from 1987

Stereotype posted:

And yet nothing has changed since then to prevent the exact same thing from happening.

Jarmak posted:

Yeah nothing about race relations has changed in America since 1987, the year it stopped being totally legal to dismiss jurors just for being black.

eSports Chaebol posted:

It's still totally legal to dismiss jurors just for being black as long as you don't say that's why you're doing it, however; hence, the case.

Jarmak posted:

The case is from 1987

-Troika- posted:

What would happen if it simply became impossible to strike jurors unless they had a direct conflict of interest with the case?

OwlFancier posted:

The case is from 1987 but the article refers to some kind of current deliberation, I'm not sure what exactly it's suggesting is happening though.

Unless it's only just reached the supreme court.

Dr. Tough posted:

Well we would have, like, 40 person juries for one thing

OwlFancier posted:

The case is from 1987 but the article refers to some kind of current deliberation, I'm not sure what exactly it's suggesting is happening though.

Unless it's only just reached the supreme court.

-Troika- posted:

What would happen if it simply became impossible to strike jurors unless they had a direct conflict of interest with the case?

Jarmak posted:

This is from 1987

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Studies have shown that these proffered reasons are often a mere pretext for racial discrimination. A North Carolina study of jury selection in 173 death penalty cases found that black prospective jurors were more than twice as likely to be struck by the prosecution as similarly situated white jurors. A 2003 study of 390 felony jury trials prosecuted in Jefferson Parish, La., found that black prospective jurors were struck at three times the rate of whites. And in Houston County, Ala., prosecutors between 2005 and 2009 used their peremptory strikes to eliminate 80 percent of the blacks qualified for jury service in death penalty cases. The result was that half of these juries were all white, and the remainder had only a single black member, even though the county is 27 percent black.

Helsing posted:

Mandy Thompson posted:

Everything wrong with American justice in less than a minute. Justice and impartiality are lies. It's not unfair by mistake, It's unfair by design. It was always about control and never about justice. Innocent people get ducked in because people like this mother fucker want more people in to scare everyone into total capitulation.

Jarmak posted:

One must also remember that there are many other racial disparities in this country that present legit reasons for removing a juror, such as criminal background. Without knowing more its kind of like throwing out your computer because the power has gone out, if you want to fix problems its kind of important to separate the source of the problem from the second order effects of the symptoms.

Jarmak posted:

Oh yes I'm quite sure that if you cherry pick the worst of the south it's completely hosed to this day, there's no easy answer to the issue though, especially when there's still areas where human actors that make up the entire system just wholesale doesn't want to do what its supposed to do. Its not however:


One must also remember that there are many other racial disparities in this country that present legit reasons for removing a juror, such as criminal background. Without knowing more its kind of like throwing out your computer because the power has gone out, if you want to fix problems its kind of important to separate the source of the problem from the second order effects of the symptoms.

Jarmak posted:

Oh yes I'm quite sure that if you cherry pick the worst of the south it's completely hosed to this day, there's no easy answer to the issue though, especially when there's still areas where human actors that make up the entire system just wholesale doesn't want to do what its supposed to do. Its not however:

Helsing posted:

It's good to know that no matter what facts you're presented with your analysis stays the exact same: it's not a problem, and if it is a problem we can't do anything about it. I am sure you are debating this in good faith though.

Jarmak posted:

I didn't say there wasn't a problem I said I think the selection process isn't the source of it.

The rest of my post was literally the same conclusion the npr article came to.

Lid posted:

What is the source?

Jarmak posted:

Of there being a disproportionate number of black jurors dismissed? The two biggest but non-exhaustive reasons I suspect off the top of my head are racism of individual actors and the disproportionate amount of black people involved in the criminal justice system. The second doesn't just mean people dismissed because they have criminal records, but also people who have friends and family who are involved in the system, and also that fact that (as the statistics bear out) black people on the jury are more likely to be skeptical of police testimony.

That last bit is kind of interesting because getting rid of someone from the jury who is less likely to find your witnesses credible is kind of the point, but for obvious reasons in this case is completely inappropriate. It does however create incentive for prosecutors who play loose with the rules to try to get rid of black jurors without having any sort of racist motivation behind it.

Obdicut posted:

Racist motivation doesn't matter. It has a racist effect.

Jarmak posted:

for obvious reasons in this case is completely inappropriate

Anosmoman posted:

Do the jury the jury selection and interviews through a computer with the jurors sitting in a separate room. Gender, race, religion, appearance etc- none of it should matter. Would be cool if the jury never got to know the gender and race of the defendant either but small steps.

captainblastum posted:

I'm really not sure what you're trying to say Jarmak, can you clarify the point that you want to make about this?

Jarmak posted:

That racially disparate outcomes in jury selection are second order effects from racial disparity in other aspects of the system/society. That the selection process itself is not broken as some posters have declared, and loving with it is going to cause more harm then good.

Jarmak posted:

That racially disparate outcomes in jury selection are second order effects from racial disparity in other aspects of the system/society. That the selection process itself is not broken as some posters have declared, and loving with it is going to cause more harm then good.

Jarmak posted:

Of there being a disproportionate number of black jurors dismissed? The two biggest but non-exhaustive reasons I suspect off the top of my head are racism of individual actors and the disproportionate amount of black people involved in the criminal justice system. The second doesn't just mean people dismissed because they have criminal records, but also people who have friends and family who are involved in the system, and also that fact that (as the statistics bear out) black people on the jury are more likely to be skeptical of police testimony.

That last bit is kind of interesting because getting rid of someone from the jury who is less likely to find your witnesses credible is kind of the point, but for obvious reasons in this case is completely inappropriate. It does however create incentive for prosecutors who play loose with the rules to try to get rid of black jurors without having any sort of racist motivation behind it.

Mandy Thompson posted:

For me this video right here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv9SJPa_dF8



Everything wrong with American justice in less than a minute. Justice and impartiality are lies. It's not unfair by mistake, It's unfair by design. It was always about control and never about justice. Innocent people get ducked in because people like this mother fucker want more people in to scare everyone into total capitulation.

http://www.npr.org/2015/11/02/452898470/supreme-court-takes-on-racial-discrimination-in-jury-selection


The link has a picture of the prosecutors notes where the highlighted all the black jurors with a "B".

Arglebargle III posted:

Eat some roast beef sandwiches with horseradish, then get to work on this problem. We're all counting on you -- and delicious, nourishing beef.

_{Hopefully the supreme court will do something about this travesty, and eat their sandwiches before they get to work.}

Main Paineframe posted:

They're not being asked whether they have friends and family in the system and then being dismissed based on that totally valid reason, though. So either prosecutors are just assuming it solely based on the color of their skin (which is racist, and leads to more uncomfortable questions like why they're content to rely entirely on statistics rather than just asking, and don't seem concerned about white jurors possibly having someone in the system), or you're wrong.

eSports Chaebol posted:

It is a second order effect which reinforces first order effects. That's a really, really big problem. It's cyclical, like redlining: surely most realtors do it because they care about keeping house prices up rather than because they are racist, but the very fact that segregation keeps house prices up is enabled in part by redlining.

Jarmak posted:

Or you don't know how a challenge for cause works, because that alone would not get someone dismissed, and its very likely the prosecutor did ask them that as those are the types of questions attorneys base their use of peremptory challenges on.

Main Paineframe posted:

This isn't about challenge for cause, though. It's about peremptory strikes. Prosecutors use their peremptory strikes on black jurors, and when challenged to provide a nonracial reason for the strike, they say the juror "looked bored" or "didn't make eye contact", not "they had a relative in prison". Did you actually read the OP?