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Gavok posted:Punisher: Back to School Special #2. I could probably post the entire 8-page story in the badass thread, but it truly deserves to be posted here: Also that time the Punisher wore a mask for some reason?
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MonsieurChoc posted:I don't know, that doesn't seem as crazy as body horror got in the 80s/90s.
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Mar 21, 2016 07:52
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"Something subtle." *punches a dude in the face*
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Mar 21, 2016 13:28
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McSpanky posted:Also that time the Punisher wore a mask for some reason? It's a motorcycle helmet. For God's sake, man, you wouldn't want Frank to take part in reckless behavior.
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Mar 21, 2016 13:39
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Travis343 posted:"Something subtle."
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Mar 21, 2016 14:42
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Wanderer posted:I'd argue that Marvel's editorial department in the era that gives us X-Treme X-Men does give a poo poo, but the whole company is in full Joey-Q experiment mode and they're willing to try just about anything. The same period gives you a lot of weird and experimental books: Marville, Trouble, Get Kraven, the last four issues of that volume of Thunderbolts, etc.
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Gavok posted:It's a motorcycle helmet. For God's sake, man, you wouldn't want Frank to take part in reckless behavior. oh man I want to believe that was an editorial mandate SO BAD
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Mar 21, 2016 16:16
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CharlestheHammer posted:Meggan is easily influenced okay. I liked Cornell's answer to that problem, the idea that her influence is two-way, so she can push her feelings out to others as well.
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Mar 21, 2016 16:23
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A Fancy Bloke posted:oh man I want to believe that was an editorial mandate SO BAD Along with the spikes on his gloves I'd like to believe the mandate was "Make him look like Azrael, but Punisher".
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Mar 21, 2016 16:27
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I was never a fan of the character but at one point in the 90s I swear he had like 4 monthly books and I have no idea how to get that many variations on the story of "He kills criminals with guns"
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Mar 21, 2016 17:06
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A Fancy Bloke posted:I was never a fan of the character but at one point in the 90s I swear he had like 4 monthly books and I have no idea how to get that many variations on the story of "He kills criminals with guns" One was literally "Here are the guns he uses TO kill criminals"
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Mar 21, 2016 17:10
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Gaz-L posted:One was literally "Here are the guns he uses TO kill criminals" That one wasn't monthly, though. Really, though, while I'm not defending the need for four Punisher books, you can reduce any individual's multiple comics like that: "I have no idea how to get that many variations on the story of '[Batman/Spider-Man/Superman] beats up criminals'"
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Mar 21, 2016 17:25
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Gaz-L posted:One was literally "Here are the guns he uses TO kill criminals" Punisher Armory did give us this, though: 
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Halloween Jack posted:I'd do Marville, but I think 4thletter and ComicsAlliance already said anything I could. It remains the only book so bad I returned the TPB to the store with a flimsy excuse about shelf wear. Hang on, back up a second. Somebody actually thought that loving Marville deserved a TPB???  Ok, I can see Bill Jemas thinking that. God I hate that man.
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Mar 21, 2016 18:19
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Wanderer posted:Brian K. Vaughan can't shut up about whatever neat but largely irrelevant facts he happened to learn while researching his story
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Mar 21, 2016 19:11
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Ensign_Ricky posted:Hang on, back up a second. Wow, labeling it "Volume 1" was optimistic as hell.
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Mar 21, 2016 19:36
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Oh gently caress you Bill Jemas.
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Picklepuss posted:I'd say that describes Neil Gaiman as well, who seemingly writes stories merely to show off any interesting bits of trivia he's picked up. It could be worse. It could be Caitlin Kiernan, who is the one who ended up taking over when the spin-off series The Dreaming was decided to be an ongoing instead of an anthology about a third of the way in. She focuses on just one thing she learned in research--in this case the Victorian "secret language of flowers". And throws it into every single issue.
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Picklepuss posted:I'd say that describes Neil Gaiman as well, who seemingly writes stories merely to show off any interesting bits of trivia he's picked up. American Gods was basically entirely trivia about various mythologies, weird little tourist sites, coin tricks and confidence tricks. I still liked it.
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Wanderer posted:Brian K. Vaughan can't shut up about whatever neat but largely irrelevant facts he happened to learn while researching his story
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Action Jacktion posted:I really don't like it when characters just happen to know historical anecdotes or pieces of trivia that fit whatever the situation is. Scott Snyder does it too: One character in The Wake spends several pages going into detail about an unusual whale even though it has nothing to do with the plot.
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Action Jacktion posted:Scott Snyder does it too: One character in The Wake spends several pages going into detail about an unusual whale even though it has nothing to do with the plot. It's either that or starting with the recounting of an anecdote told by a parental figure, most often a dad.
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I distinctly remember reading Marville as a ten year old or so and being so confused. Howard Beale posted:Alan Davis could also do straight-up body horror on his own, like the two-parter where Jamie Braddock shows up in his underwear and fucks Excalibur's poo poo up. Alan Davis is such a good artist that even with body horror you just admire how well he put the scene together. Even as a kid when he switched out of a book it sucked. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Mar 27, 2016 |
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Archyduke posted:That being said-- Chris Claremont's ain't Ursula K. Leguin, and it's hard to read Cyclops getting spoonfed baby food or whatever, or Jean Grey hanging out in a sewer with tentacles, without feeling embarrassed for everybody involved. For all of his pre-occupation with sexuality, Claremont is often a spectacularly un-sexy writer-- especially when working in that speculative, would-be transgressive vein. But it still has to be acknowledged, I think, and also noted that these are all themes that Grant Morrison picks up on in his run (as well as, I'd hazard, in Flex Mentallo). Basically, if Chris Claremont wasn't a weirdo, I doubt there'd be anything in the franchise that Morrison would have been drawn to. It was Claremont's key insight, maybe the key to his entire run, that a secret club of fit, dramatic young adults with weird powers would be some kind of bizarre five-alarm fuckfest beyond the ken of mere human minds. But it's his weakness as a writer that that fuckfest almost always seemed deeply stupid, and even worse, sometimes involved Doug Ramsey. This in particular gets to the heart of why it's so weird to read: Claremont cannot write erotica. So you have these bowlderized erotic scenarios that are already pretty awkward paired with stilted speech patterns.
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I Think you all are reading way to much into this.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:This in particular gets to the heart of why it's so weird to read: Claremont cannot write erotica. So you have these bowlderized erotic scenarios that are already pretty awkward paired with stilted speech patterns. I don't think he's really trying to write erotica, even if he was in a position to be doing so. What he's really writing is '70s sex scifi, in the vein of something like Heinlein's Friday.
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I read one of his original sci-fi novels. There's a zero-g sex scene. It's pretty ridiculous. (The dude in the sex scene later gets turned into a half-man, half-cat-person. Because the aliens in the book are cat people.)
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To be slightly fair, zero-G sex will probably be pretty ridiculous.
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Oh god I remember that book. Also the crash airbags that filled up all their bodily orfices for extra cushioning.
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Wanderer posted:I don't think he's really trying to write erotica, even if he was in a position to be doing so. Yes, it is a lot like the matter-of-fact unsexiness of a Heinlen, definitely.
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SynthOrange posted:Oh god I remember that book. Didn't Charles Stross pull that one in Saturn's Children too?
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CharlestheHammer posted:I Think you all are reading way to much into this. If you've actually read a decent amount of Claremont's X-Men, you wouldn't say this. He's also easily the best writer the X-Men ever had.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I Think you all are reading way to much into this. That's half the fun.
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Skwirl posted:If you've actually read a decent amount of Claremont's X-Men, you wouldn't say this. Honestly most of the really weird poo poo is in the spinoff X-books.
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Skwirl posted:If you've actually read a decent amount of Claremont's X-Men, you wouldn't say this. I have read most of it and it definetly is his fetishes sneaking in, but it is not suppose to be erotic.
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Senior Woodchuck posted:I read one of his original sci-fi novels. There's a zero-g sex scene. It's pretty ridiculous. Yeah, there's a scene in what must have been the sequel to that where the protagonist gets ritually adopted into the aliens' society, complete with naked body painting. I can't remember much about the novel itself aside from that scene. I did think it was funny that the protagonist mentions she's a huge Lila Cheney fan, though.
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Selachian posted:Didn't Charles Stross pull that one in Saturn's Children too? that one's explicitly a Heinlein riff.
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It's 1965, and the popularity of Wonder Woman as a comic is not what it was. Looking for a solution to declining sales figures, long-time writer/editor Robert Kanigher had cottoned on to the fact that there was now suddenly a lot interest in those crummy old comics from 20 years ago, and figured it would be a killer move to dump all the accoutrements of Silver Age Wonder Woman(Wonder Girl, Wonder Tot, Mer-Boy, etc), and revert everything back to the glory days of the William Moulton Marston era. To do this, he wrote himself into the comic and "fired" his entire supporting cast.   Bear in mind that this all happened as a back-up story in the same issue that Wonder Woman and Steve Trevor battled Egg-Fu, a giant communist egg with a magical moustache. Robert Kanigher: The Grant Morrison of the Silver Age.
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Travis343 posted:Honestly most of the really weird poo poo is in the spinoff X-books. Oh I don't know; there was Nanny in Uncanny X-men 247-248 who trapped half the team in suits that made them think they were young children and kidnapped Storm and actually de-aged her.  
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