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TwoPair posted:Lamest way that a Teen Titan has died yet. Aquagirl drowned.
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That seems pretty counter to what you'd expect
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Apr 10, 2016 19:33
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Those Wonder Woman pages are incredible-- I knew that science fiction fan culture had already codified a pretty familiar-sounding lexicon by the 60s, but it's still jarring and a little heart-warming to see the mega nerds of 1965 hawking zines and agitating for retcons.
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Apr 10, 2016 19:40
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dordreff posted:Aquagirl drowned. Wasn't that during the Crisis when Chemo polluted the water? Christ, those Psylocke panels.
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Apr 10, 2016 20:26
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Yeah, as weird as the Asification of Psylocke was, it still needs to be said that when she was still British and with the X-men, pretty much every time she wasn't actively going TO the battles, she was invariably getting caught in some sort of state of undress, sometimes fully naked. Like it was practically a running gag that she never seemed to be wearing clothes and yet had people interrupt whatever she was doing.
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Apr 10, 2016 21:36
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Didnt she get armor then the armor kept falling off?
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Apr 11, 2016 02:07
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SynthOrange posted:Didnt she get armor then the armor kept falling off? Look, just because Sir Patrick played Xavier doesn't mean we have to turn this into an Extras bit...
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Apr 11, 2016 02:26
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Nah, she kept taking it off herself. Like "oh, this armor's too heavy for me to swim across this stream that just so happens to be between me and the bad guys' lair..."
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Apr 11, 2016 04:31
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For all the Clarmont mind control and such that gets bandied about, it's really this sort of stuff that keeps surprising me to see in this thread. I'm not sure exactly why, but when it delves into transformation without body horror it feels very strange. Might be because I know internet fetish material is WAY more like this than anything else he's done that I've seen. Even if he wasn't into that sexually, the people that are do things this way so it feels like that. It's like how all the 90s cartoons with anthropomorphic animals feel different now that furries have co-opted the style.
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Apr 11, 2016 05:42
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Cleretic posted:For all the Clarmont mind control and such that gets bandied about, it's really this sort of stuff that keeps surprising me to see in this thread. I'm not sure exactly why, but when it delves into transformation without body horror it feels very strange. It's a little horrific.
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Apr 11, 2016 11:56
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Well, one thing that bears mentioning is that Psylocke being kiddified is an illusion. It's not literally happening, for what it's worth, though how Nanny plows through Psylocke's mental defenses isn't clear, given that she's explicitly a low-level telepath. Nanny also isn't a robot, which was established at this point. But Claremont wants what he wants, so drat the continuity! Storm would be literally kiddified by Nanny, however, using some vague machine. Granted, this wasn't a new element in Claremont books- see Wolverine and Kitty Pryde for an even creepier version of the same trope.
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Apr 11, 2016 13:00
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prefect posted:It's a little horrific. Yeah, but it's not the same kind of horror here, it's not as overt or visceral. It's 'think about this for more than a few seconds and your stomach turns at the implications'. I definitely get the feeling that Claremont knew that, at least, that's definitely intentionally present there. But I'm used to seeing people using many of the same tropes without that awareness (or with an entirely different type of awareness), so there's an entirely new edge to that vague horror there.
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Apr 11, 2016 13:15
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Also he KEEPS DOING IT. I've lost track of the number of times the X Men have been turned into babies.
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Apr 11, 2016 14:59
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It was old hat by the time Excalibur started... #6 Also, hey, what do you know, Claremont did create the X-babies.
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SynthOrange posted:Also he KEEPS DOING IT. I've lost track of the number of times the X Men have been turned into babies.
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Apr 11, 2016 15:16
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Yes, Claremont wrote Uncanny X-Men #10, where all of the X-Men are de-aged by Mojo.
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Apr 11, 2016 15:22
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Well, one thing that bears mentioning is that Psylocke being kiddified is an illusion. It's not literally happening, for what it's worth, though how Nanny plows through Psylocke's mental defenses isn't clear, given that she's explicitly a low-level telepath. Nanny also isn't a robot, which was established at this point. But Claremont wants what he wants, so drat the continuity! To be fair, Jean Grey also thought she was a robot the first time she encountered her, and was quite surprised when this turned out to not be true.
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Apr 11, 2016 16:49
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Yes, Claremont wrote Uncanny X-Men #10, where all of the X-Men are de-aged by Mojo. He did? I thought that was already the Jim Lee era after Marvel pushed out the guy who actually made the series successful in favor of a guy who'd leave a year or so later to make such great comics as WILDCATs and Stormwatch.
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Apr 11, 2016 17:11
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Sorry, I meant Uncanny X-Men Annual #10.
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Apr 11, 2016 17:36
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Wasn't there like a whole team of clone X-babies at some point?
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Apr 11, 2016 18:24
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DarkCrawler posted:Wasn't there like a whole team of clone X-babies at some point? Yeah, the X-Babies were made by Mojo specifically as an adorable team to star in his dimension's cartoons. The story that introduced them was a fairly blatant parody of merchandising practices, Marvel, and of the creative team itself. (Claremont's own stand-in goes on an angry tirade about how stupid an idea the whole thing is and Mojo kills him.) The same story also introduces (and immediately disposes of, as they are stupid ideas) Robot X-Men, Gender-Flipped X-Men, Cute Talking Animal X-Men, and Hard-Drinking Evening-Wear X-Men.
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Apr 11, 2016 18:54
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Wanderer posted:Yeah, the X-Babies were made by Mojo specifically as an adorable team to star in his dimension's cartoons. The story that introduced them was a fairly blatant parody of merchandising practices, Marvel, and of the creative team itself. (Claremont's own stand-in goes on an angry tirade about how stupid an idea the whole thing is and Mojo kills him.) Hard-Drinking Evening-Wear X-Men sounds like it had a lot of potential, actually.
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Apr 11, 2016 18:56
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Wanderer posted:Yeah, the X-Babies were made by Mojo specifically as an adorable team to star in his dimension's cartoons. The story that introduced them was a fairly blatant parody of merchandising practices, Marvel, and of the creative team itself. (Claremont's own stand-in goes on an angry tirade about how stupid an idea the whole thing is and Mojo kills him.) If I'm remembering correctly, this issue features Art Adams art and I thought it was terrific back in the day, featuring jokes about TV and media and so forth. Creating X-babies bothered me less than de-aging the actual X-people. 
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It'd be sort of funny to do some kind of megapost or blog entry about all the ways in which various creative sorts appeared in '80s Marvel. I just learned from "Jay and Miles X-Plain the X-Men" the answer to something I've wondered about for years: the angry, half-insane Hollywood screenwriter who gets turned into a supervillain in Secret Wars II #1 is a stand-in for Steve Gerber, depicted as unsympathetically as Jim Shooter can manage. Off the top of my head, Jim and Maggie Power, the Power Pack's parents, are a young Walter and Louise Simonson; John Byrne was teleported into space to watch the Trial of Reed Richards in person, because he was working on the FF's officially licensed comic at the time; and Marvel Comics existed, or at least used to exist, within the Marvel Universe, complete with its entire staff. RZApublican posted:Hard-Drinking Evening-Wear X-Men sounds like it had a lot of potential, actually. I just dug up the issue (Uncanny Annual #12). Turns out I was remembering it wrong. http://imgur.com/a/CBm1v (A lot of potential avatar fodder here, really.)
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X Babies, Mojo, and the Mojoverse are all pretty awesome. It's like they looked at Arcade, and cranked the weirdness up several notches.
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The X-Babies were a pretty blunt indictment of the direction the x-books were taking and it's actually pretty good satire. The de-aged X-Men was the prelude to that, though I don't think they were referred to as "X-Babies" specifically- only the clones are.
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Apr 11, 2016 19:24
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Well yeah people do this weird thing were they project fetishes onto Chris whether it makes sense or not.
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Apr 11, 2016 19:35
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I'm kind of wondering why several of those X-Men knockoffs apparently just plummet straight to their doom when at least a few should be able to fly away. Actually that would be an interesting story - a team of Mojo's castoff X-Men trying to survive in a world that doesn't so much hate and fear them but wants to kill them off because they don't see any value in their continued existence. It'd be a neat commentary on the killing off of D-List characters. Also hey, Mojo predicted the All-New Wolverine (although the costume has a few errors).
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Apr 11, 2016 20:20
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I think my avatar cameos as a look for Archangel in the far right of the Naughty X-Men panel.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I'm kind of wondering why several of those X-Men knockoffs apparently just plummet straight to their doom when at least a few should be able to fly away. 
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The implication in the issue is that most of them are just people from Mojoworld who "auditioned" for a role as X-Men stand-ins, since the original X-Men were "dead" in the wake of the Fall of the Mutants crossover. Basically reality gets a little weird in Mojoworld, especially once Mojo is around, and you can brush a lot of inconsistencies off due to that.
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Wanderer posted:I just dug up the issue (Uncanny Annual #12). Turns out I was remembering it wrong. I love how Wolverine keeps getting shorter with each iteration.
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Apr 11, 2016 23:27
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What animal should we make Wolverine? I dunno, a bulldog I guess.
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Apr 12, 2016 00:19
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Picklepuss posted:I'd like to think they're non-sentient synthoids or androids or whatever 'cause the alternative is something way too morbid for me to find even remotely funny. Mojo in his earlier appearances is was much, much more monstrous than the kind of gag villain he became later on. Granted, he always had a heavy dose of black humor, but in his earliest appearances he was a terrifying force of life-destroying corruption.
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Ghostlight posted:What animal should we make Wolverine? I dunno, a bulldog I guess. You can insult Mojo all you want but at least he tries to think outside the box.
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Die Laughing posted:X Babies, Mojo, and the Mojoverse are all pretty awesome. It's like they looked at Arcade, and cranked the weirdness up several notches. Hey, on that note, is the original Longshot miniseries by Ann Nocenti any good? I'm sure the Art Adams art is gorgeous, but is it a story that would hold up today? Would I ever want to read it more than once? I ask because I have store credit at a used bookstore, and it's one of the TPBs they have. FWIW, I've read Excalibur: Mojo Mayhem, so I have some passing familiarity with Mojo.
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Dr. Hurt posted:You can insult Mojo all you want but at least he tries to think outside the box.
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So this all reminded me of the New Mutants summer special, which I thought took place in Mojo's sandbox, but was actually a different TV world that existed to critique mass media culture: 
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Ghostlight posted:What animal should we make Wolverine? I dunno, a bulldog I guess. They didn't translate Wolverine in Finnish so I didn't have any idea that he was named after those brown little bastards until I was like 21 (If you google Wolverine the first page is all just Wolverine, not wolverines) Also wolverine's latin name is literally glutton glutton haha it's also "glutton" in Finnish pretty much...and it's a loving weasel? DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Apr 12, 2016 |
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I would wager a lot of kids hear about Wolverine the mutant before they learn what a literal wolverine is. Wolverines aren't really on the animal radar in the same way that like wolves and foxes and deer are.
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