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Trump posted:There is so much cool imagery, awesome places and interesting races in the WoW lore, and this is the best they could come up with? I imagine that the executives actually greenlighting this wanted it as boilerplate as possible to Protect Their Investments. It doesn't get much more boilerplate than "humans and Race X fight a bunch in a place that looks like rural England." It's frankly a waste of the talent of Duncan Jones, who made an engaging story with only two actors set on the moon.
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To be honest- the worst thing about this is the guy from Vikings as he's garbage in that show (and the show in general is trash) and he stinks up the joint here. The orcs are the most interesting part.
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Nov 7, 2015 00:27
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Oh my god, this looks so much worse than I expected, and I didn't expect much in the first place. The only reason I was slightly interested was because of Duncan Jones (seriously, I thought Moon was fantastic), and now I have to worry that this will be a career killer for him.
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Nov 7, 2015 01:22
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What's most striking about this to me (other than how bad a lot of the visual effects look whenever you look at a screen shot) is the total absence of any meaningful characterization. A decent fantasy or sci fi story almost always needs to be grounded with some kind of interesting characters, even if the narrative is plot driven. Think of the contrast between the Original vs the Prequel Star Wars trilogies - the characters in the original In this Warcraft movie, what do any of these characters want? What distinguishes them as individuals? What endears them to the audience or makes you hate the villains? We get the most boilerplate dumb sounding motivations possible. The villains are "the racist guy" and "the guy who loves war", the heroes are "the guys who want peace", and maybe they love their families too. Oh boy I can already feel the excitement! The movie's apparent lack of interest in those questions is the greatest red flag to me. There's no indication in this trailer that the film understands how important decent characters are for this kind of movie. You could have a cornball movie about Orcs throwing around horses and it might still have some entertainment value if you make the other elements work, but if you don't give a poo poo about any of the characters then these CGI driven movies get soooo loving boring.
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Nov 7, 2015 01:33
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I mean, they could put a tremendous amount of effort into it, or they could merely produce something passably bland enough that they'll rake in large profits from the power of the Warcraft Brand. You can just fart out a bunch of CGI orcs and the guy from Vikings onto a greenscreen for 90 minutes and make millions.
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Nov 7, 2015 01:42
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Helsing posted:What's most striking about this to me (other than how bad a lot of the visual effects look whenever you look at a screen shot) is the total absence of any meaningful characterization. A decent fantasy or sci fi story almost always needs to be grounded with some kind of interesting characters, even if the narrative is plot driven. Think of the contrast between the Original vs the Prequel Star Wars trilogies - the characters in the original Sounds pretty much par for the Course for a Blizzard story.
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Nov 7, 2015 01:42
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PoPcornTG posted:Sounds pretty much par for the Course for a Blizzard story. In fairness, their writing hasn't always been atrocious. Brood War had an interesting setup and some fantastic characters like Kerrigan, and The Frozen Throne had some nice twists and turns to it. I think they just ended up firing all of the halfway decent writers at some point so that you've now got Jim Raynor going from swearing that he'll hunt Kerrigan down and kill her for all that she's done to trying desperately to save her because he's horny and wants to gently caress.
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Nov 7, 2015 01:46
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In the original Warcraft the entire story was a bunch of lengthy prequel stories in the instruction manual starring characters that die before the game begins.
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Nov 7, 2015 01:49
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Vermain posted:I mean, they could put a tremendous amount of effort into it, or they could merely produce something passably bland enough that they'll rake in large profits from the power of the Warcraft Brand. You can just fart out a bunch of CGI orcs and the guy from Vikings onto a greenscreen for 90 minutes and make millions. The amazing thing is that the production hasn't been a quick n' cheap cash grab deal, all trailer evidence to the contrary. This movie has a ludicrous budget, has been fretted over continuously for 8 years, and still came out looking like it was half-assed in every respect. That's the power of Blizzard
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Nov 7, 2015 01:49
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Vermain posted:In fairness, their writing hasn't always been atrocious. Brood War had an interesting setup and some fantastic characters like Kerrigan, and The Frozen Throne had some nice twists and turns to it. I think they just ended up firing all of the halfway decent writers at some point so that you've now got Jim Raynor going from swearing that he'll hunt Kerrigan down and kill her for all that she's done to trying desperately to save her because he's horny and wants to gently caress. I thought the story for Starcraft and Warcraft 3 was amazing. But I was also 11-14 when I played those games so I'm not sure how true that is. Their writing has certainly gotten worse tho. It's all been boiled down to the most simple generic stuff possible over and over again. I've lost all interest in pretty much anything they put out now. I wonder why they didn't decide to do a feature length Warcraft Cinematic? The Warcraft style really doesn't translate well when trying to be realistic. The comically over sized Armour and Orcs just look stupid when being portrayed as realistic.
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Nov 7, 2015 01:51
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No Mods No Masters posted:The amazing thing is that the production hasn't been a quick n' cheap cash grab deal, all trailer evidence to the contrary. This movie has a ludicrous budget, has been fretted over continuously for 8 years, and still came out looking like it was half-assed in every respect. That's the power of Blizzard Seriously, this isn't goddamn Heaven's Gate; you ain't winning an Emmy for it. I want a tell-all of the production of this thing, because it's hard to even imagine what sort of weird problem could have led to this thing turning into such a turd.
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Nov 7, 2015 01:52
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So baby orcs are jelly babies?
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Nov 7, 2015 01:59
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No Mods No Masters posted:The amazing thing is that the production hasn't been a quick n' cheap cash grab deal, all trailer evidence to the contrary. This movie has a ludicrous budget, has been fretted over continuously for 8 years, and still came out looking like it was half-assed in every respect. That's the power of Blizzard This is exactly the story of Diablo 3.
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Nov 7, 2015 02:24
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This is going to be a hilarious clusterfuck if they don't retcon the gently caress out of everything because it looks like they decided to cover Warcraft 2 as well and both characters they have chosen as their protagonists die very anti-climactic deaths before the ending of that game. One of them spends both games in exile for being too boring, the other does like two notable things in both games combined. That's like making a WWII movie with Leon Trotsky as focal character.
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Nov 7, 2015 02:34
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They reaaaally should've gone full CG with this. Everything that actually has a person standing around looks awful.
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Nov 7, 2015 02:47
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PoPcornTG posted:I thought the story for Starcraft and Warcraft 3 was amazing. But I was also 11-14 when I played those games so I'm not sure how true that is. Their writing has certainly gotten worse tho. It's all been boiled down to the most simple generic stuff possible over and over again. I've lost all interest in pretty much anything they put out now. StarCraft was goofy fun space opera story and that was fine. The problem is that the StarCraft story literally laid out every writing trope Metzen is actually capable of. That is the extent of his range, but he thinks he's crafting Tolkein-level masterpieces with his world building when he's really more of a second-class C.S. Lewis in that regard.
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Nov 7, 2015 02:57
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attackmole posted:It looks loving awful and if you can't see that you're waaaaay too far down the rabbit hole of thinking anything with orcs and gryphons and swords is cool. I generally don't care about fantasy and I was expecting this to look terrible but I still dug the trailer a fair bit  Like, the worst case scenario I can see is that this ends up being fun-bad, which is still okay
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Nov 7, 2015 03:10
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Vintersorg posted:To be honest- the worst thing about this is the guy from Vikings as he's garbage in that show (and the show in general is trash) and he stinks up the joint here. This is so goddamn wrong it hurts.
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Nov 7, 2015 03:11
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Asehujiko posted:This is going to be a hilarious clusterfuck if they don't retcon the gently caress out of everything because it looks like they decided to cover Warcraft 2 as well and both characters they have chosen as their protagonists die very anti-climactic deaths before the ending of that game. One of them spends both games in exile for being too boring, the other does like two notable things in both games combined. That's like making a WWII movie with Leon Trotsky as focal character. They're not covering Warcraft II, only Warcraft I. There's no other races besides Orcs and Humans in this one (it looks like there are a few elf extras in one scene).
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Nov 7, 2015 03:16
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I think this will do really really well in Asia.
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Nov 7, 2015 03:19
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Just had a dream that I went to see the Warcraft movie and that is as close as I will ever get because holy poo poo, my drastically lowered expectations weren't nearly low enough.
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Nov 7, 2015 03:25
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Snowman_McK posted:This is so goddamn wrong it hurts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
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Nov 7, 2015 03:34
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This seems like a ludicrous waste of money and talent. Duncan Jones had a movie in the works about a mute detective in a Blade Runner esque future Germany, but instead does this. 
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Nov 7, 2015 04:18
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:This seems like a ludicrous waste of money and talent. Duncan Jones had a movie in the works about a mute detective in a Blade Runner esque future Germany, but instead does this. He's making Mute next because of this movie. They just cast Paul Rudd and Alexander Skarsgard in it.
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Nov 7, 2015 04:21
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:This seems like a ludicrous waste of money and talent. Duncan Jones had a movie in the works about a mute detective in a Blade Runner esque future Germany, but instead does this. I wouldn't be surprised if he's making this one primarily so he can get a bigger budget for that one.
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Nov 7, 2015 04:27
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ComposerGuy posted:StarCraft was goofy fun space opera story and that was fine. The problem is that the StarCraft story literally laid out every writing trope Metzen is actually capable of. That is the extent of his range, but he thinks he's crafting Tolkein-level masterpieces with his world building when he's really more of a second-class C.S. Lewis in that regard. CS Lewis owns, you take that back.
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Nov 7, 2015 04:35
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I've not read much C.S. Lewis but I'm going to assume he doesn't constantly change his mind about key plot points.
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Nov 7, 2015 04:38
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Lewis' Jesus figure was a lion and not a green muscle-y dude.
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Nov 7, 2015 05:01
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KidVanguard posted:I think this will do really really well in Asia. China goes fuckin' nuts over action movies with tons of CGI so this'll make bank over there.
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Nov 7, 2015 05:08
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The blademonster depiction will resonate with the inscrutable audiences of the orient while white americans will take to tumblr in droves to criticize.
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Nov 7, 2015 05:22
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Frostwerks posted:CS Lewis owns, you take that back. You misunderstand. I like Lewis too. I'm not commenting on their ability as writers but as world builders, which is totally different. Tolkein was frankly a much better world builder than actual writer, and CS Lewis the other way around. But even still, Metzen isn't up to a *lovely version* of Lewis in world building.
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Nov 7, 2015 05:24
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:China goes fuckin' nuts over action movies with tons of CGI so this'll make bank over there. Truly something unique to the Chinese.
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Nov 7, 2015 05:28
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7olh2I0dN7w&t=282s
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Nov 7, 2015 05:34
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Transformers 4 was the third highest grossing film in China of all time, raising a major chunk of the $858 million foreign ticket sales and elevating the film into the billion dollar box office club.
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Nov 7, 2015 05:46
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Everything about the visuals in the trailer just seem off to me. I think the thing that struck me the most was how plastic and homemade cosplay the human armor looked. Meanwhile, they put out the cinematic for the next expansion the same day and it looks much more cohesive (because it is, I suppose). It also did a lot better job at hitting some emotional resonance, but maybe that's just me.
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Nov 7, 2015 05:46
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So much of each shot is computer animated and fake-looking that real-life actors in the frame seem almost jarring and unnatural. Like reading The Very Hungry Caterpillar and find a live ladybug between the pages.
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Nov 7, 2015 05:58
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For comparisons sake heres the WoW:Legion cinematic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYNCCu0y-Is
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Nov 7, 2015 06:07
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLhI6CtS9gA future plinkett review material spotted
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Nov 7, 2015 07:27
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graynull posted:Everything about the visuals in the trailer just seem off to me. I think the thing that struck me the most was how plastic and homemade cosplay the human armor looked.
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The CGI with the humans looks a bit crap but overall I honestly don't think it looks all that bad. Maybe it'll be more apparent with later trailers and footage but I like Duncan Jones and this seems ok enough so far to give it a chance.
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