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Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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ToxicSlurpee posted:

Pretty sure a lot of contemporary paganism in the western world is just plain descended from Wicca, which is literally a made up religion that a guy fabricated in the 1950's. He claimed he was talking to people who had been practicing magic in secret but that turned out to be bullshit.If memory serves it was 100% provably bullshit.

Other parts of contemporary paganism are based on concepts that ancient religions had rather than direct lines from them. Other parts are...well, literally crazy people just being crazy and believing they're wizards that talk to faeries.

In the case of ancient druids their histories and religions were generally passed down orally. There just weren't written records so once the Romans started to kick their faces in there was little chance of it surviving. If memory serves druids were generally also leaders of various types, which got them targeted something fierce. When they died their histories died with them.

Yes, hella agreed. I was just looking for more sources cause I love reading about old stuff.

But speaking of folk-magic and folk-wisdom, I'm definitely not an expert, but I've read a bit here and a bit there, and there's no system at all to it. I know that sounds counter-intuitive in a way, but I mean like if say herbs A + B and prayer C together can cure disease D or whatever, you'd figure that eventually that cure would have spread to all countries. Even if only through wise women/men?

Weirdly, every region has its own sytem of folk magic.

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Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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Jaramin posted:

Herb A or B may not grow everywhere, or the gods being petitioned may be not be worshiped, or maybe the local witches from one side of Lake Baikal hate the ones from the other side, etc. That and folk remedies tend to have a substantial component of the placebo effect, so they're not really useful if the person doesn't really trust it.

welll the herbs in scandinavia are 10x more effective than the herbs in mainland europe so.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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Jaramin posted:

But the gods there only care about people praying to them 1/10th as much, so it evens out in the end.

Haha yes the norse gods basically just do their own thing and are kindof annoyed when humans get in their way.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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Well also, pre-Roman (or any, really) concrete has to be buried deep in the ground to survive the elements. Concrete is really good for stuff you need to be there for a couple centuries, but millenia will wear it down. In that case monoliths are better. Even if they're stacked on top of each other like a pyramid.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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Babe Magnet posted:

Concrete rules. There's dudes right now making self-healing concrete by infusing it with bacteria that awakens when it comes in contact with water, secreting limestone and patching the damage.

i think we need to expose these covert concrete dudes

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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Egh I tried a search for a fun concrete video in Danish words and it was literally half 911 conspiracies and half nazi hitler wasnt so bad kinda stuff.

Concrete is probably alright, but I'm not gonna put that in my interests ever again.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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It's not impossible that it might show up. They just rediscovered a rune stone that had been missing for over 200 years (some long-dead farmer used it to build steps for his front door).

Google Translate link to the press release: https://translate.google.com/transl...200-aar-1345612

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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Alhazred posted:

The Gauls actually sacked Rome in 390 BC. The Gauls made the Rome pay a ransom of a thousand pounds of gold. When they started weighing the gold the Romans started protesting which lead to the Gallic leader Brennus tossing a sword on the scale and saying ""Woe the vanquished.

:iceburn:

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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Platystemon posted:

The WWII U.S. Army booklet 112 Gripes About the French is good reading.

“Yeah, we know the French are dicks, but there are some mitigating circumstances. Please put up with them.”

Haha, most are pretty reasonable, but then there's this one:

quote:

48 "I'd like the French a lot better if they were cleaner."
That's perfectly understandable.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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slægt skal følge slægters gang



Also, Technicolor & its predecessors are pretty far off from the colors you'd see with your eyes looking at the same scene. Actually, modern films are tinted as hell too (cf. The Matrix being intensely green-tinted in the matrix scenes). The "language" of color in photos & cinema takes learning.

Saw this thing about how color film was developed by white people & optimized to capture white skin tones. Black skin tones were ignored for decades:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d16LNHIEJzs

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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slægt skal følge slægters gang



Elyv posted:

It's actually really interesting how much influence the steppe nomads had over the history of Eurasia for the last 4000+ years in general.

The Scythians were a steppe people some 3k years ago, and I may be wrong but I think the scythe (as in the sickle-on-a-stick agricultural instrument) was named after them sometime before recorded history. They brought it here, or whoever named it back then thought they did.

Re: film, I'm helping my parents scan their negatives from the 70s/80s/90s (3000 so far, and nowhere near halfway through god), and a lot of them are hella degraded. To be fair they've just been stored in like cardboard sleeves in a box on a shelf, but often the developed pictures in the albums that've seen daylight at least a couple times per year have better definition & clarity.

Seriously if you have the opportunity to get all that poo poo scanned: Do it now, cause they'll only lose more color & more contrast & fade away into oblivion the longer you wait.

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Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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Ah that makes sense. I never looked into the chemistry of it, but the older they are, the more they're curving along the length, which makes sense cause that's the shortest side on a 4-image strip. most of the time It's still possible to put them in the scanner slide. Some of them got some moiré patterns when scanned but mostly they turned out ok.

Biggest problem is that a lot of the pre-1990 ones are way dark or have like random sharp blots on them, which idk what are but they're there. Also to be fair: some of them my dad developed himself so idk his mixtures etc.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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Oh man I remember when my folks started to rip some of the reels they'd recorded in the 70s. They had to borrow reel to reel player, they'd sold their own. But they had to align the tape head and the gain & and one more thing I think. At least I they figured out how to cut up the longass aiff into tracks for burning on cds.

That's gotta be like a decade ago. I guess it's time to copy the important CDRs huh.

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Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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Modern backup tape systems (ie invented after 1990, probably earlier) usually have some kind of auto-correction checksum going. Basically they can lose X% of the data, but the rest will be enough to reconstruct it. What X is depends on the sytem.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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Sorry, when I say "modern" magnetic tape backup systems I just mean that those are still used. There's nothing modern about them.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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One time in my life I recovered stuff off a CD that literally had a hole punched in it. It was a small hole, but it was stable enough to spin without blowing up. ISO9660 had the directory first so i could recoever everything that wasn't in the path of the hole. Not worth it btw.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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Yeah inside a mountain they're solid. They're not solid at all in a pile on the floor and on top of an old crt TV.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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Hence the wall.

I mean the opposite of same

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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Check out this nazi gently caress signing a marriage bann with a swastika in 1761



from the Amsterdam Stadsarchief & yes I know the origin etc

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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bitcoin bastard posted:

British secret agent spotted.

Artifact of translation. A more literal translation would be something like "Sure as the devil we'll shoot live rounds!" but it doesn't flow as well as Doffen's translation (in my opninion).

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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You probably mean lateral thinking (to be incredlby PYF)

I had an historical anecdote but it's quite gone now. I'll put it here when it returns

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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I kinda doubt German fighters followed British bombers back across the channel...

Like fro a total math point of view it makes sense to reinforce the non-penetrated parts surving planes. Irl its just voodoo

Either way, those claimed external weak spots seem a bit ...unproven...

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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ya that makes more sense I guess

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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Oh wow those are fantastic. Thanks!

In my genealogy research I've come across a married couple who lived in Copenhagen in the years around 1800. They were pretty much always drunk and belligerent, there's pretty much a new police case every 6 months for around 15 years.

Example (my translation):

quote:

Reverently Promemoria!

After Master Saddler Tofte and wife, residing in Mÿntergade No 52, had all day made a commotion in the courtyard with me the undersigned, who lives adjacently at the same place, there came a girl, namely Anne Lene who is employed at Wiingaardstræde 159 & 160, and who had previously served the aforementioned Tofte in an errand, and when she was about to leave the courtyard, I had a woman escort her out as I feared an assault by him and his wife; Regardless, the aforementioned Tofte and wife came out and hit the aforementioned girl twice upon the ear, saying: that he would spend the 5 rigsdaler thereupon, and called together boys and others to heckle the girl. Therefore, I myself had to escort the girl out, as the gate had been closed by him. Later on, in the evening, I was continually berated; and since I cannot abide by my customers and their people being exposed to that manner of conduct, we had a row, during which they both, husband and wife, accused me not only of thievery, but also of being a fence – threw a broom after my highly gravid wife, whereby she fell into convulsions, and indeed threw a bucket of water after me – as Tofte's wife put it: for lack of a chamber pot; all of which I have witnesses to prove.

As it is not the first time that I, my wife, or my visitors have been assaulted in such a way by the aforementioned Tofte and wife, I beg the police court to call then in to either prove their dishonorable accusations and actions, or suffer the punishment.

Kjøbenhavn, den 12te Juni 1801

Reverently,

Fotel.
Free Master at the Blacksmiths' Guild
Residing Mÿntergade No 52

(I think the 5 rigsdaler line means that Tofte thinks it'd be worth a possible fine)

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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From an 1802 complaint by a saddler apprentice regarding the husband, Ole Pedersen Tofte: "Today morning as I stood alone in the shop, the aforementioned my master came in and shut the door and locked it behind him and began to scold me and beat me until I was quite blue."

From the documents regarding their separation:

quote:

Pro Memoria!

As I due to the unruly behaviour of my wife Karen Marie Bernts, both inside the house and between the residents of the house where I have and do live, whereby there constantly arise disagreements not only between ourselves, but also with the residents, that cause great vexations, indeed causing cases at the courts: Additionally she practices all manner of injustices against me that one can think up, in order to thus maybe lead me to assault either her or myself; It is then, that I ask of the high Magistrate that we may be called up, so that we by the intervention of the highest Magistrate may be separated in table and bed, as it is to me an impossibility to live with her any longer.

Kiøbenhavn den 27de Septemb 1804

Humbly,
O P Tofte
Master Saddler

quote:

That I on different occasions have been called to Madame Tofte to bandage some significant headwounds, whereamong especially one on the left side of the temple was dangerous and has left a significant scar, and that she now again shows evidence of violent battery at various places of the body, that her husband is to have caused her; I in truth testify as requested.

Kiöb d: 2° octob: 1804

Fridericksen
Chirurgeon at the marine

quote:

Copenhagen, April 20 1805

As adjured, I was on Christmas Eve 1804 summoned to Master Saddler Tofte where he claimed to have been struck by his wife with a stone bowl wherewith she had hit him right in the eyebrow of the left eye, which was entirely split open and I had to visit him for 5 or 6 weeks and bandage him.

This attested by,

Teuscher,
County chirurgeon

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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Say Nothing posted:

German soldiers were given testosterone during WWII ( it was first synthesized in 1935) to try and increase aggressiveness and performance. They were ahead of their time in the use of performance enhancing drugs.

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id...sterone&f=false

Did anyone post about the early Tour de France winner who fell off his bike, was given a shot of amphetamines and a glass of brandy, then finished the race, won, & died? Thirty years old or some poo poo.

Someone should post that story, not me though.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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Carbon dioxide posted:

What's up with the same letter talking about both ducats and guilders?

They used both at the time.

E: Besides, it wouldn't be uncommon for an international trader to end up with coins from several jurisdictions. It'd also be possible to exchange them in most major port cities.

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Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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This is a total guess, but presumably you either made arrows yourself (if you were poor) or hired a fletcher to do it (if you were rich). There wasn't a sizable middle-class yet in the middle ages, so there wasn't really a market for a lot of things.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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Shbobdb posted:

Fletcher's guilds were big business because it was the purpose of government was to wage war and munitions are an important part of that, see the discussion of economics at agincourt.

Well yeah, I just mean that there wasn't really such a thing as buying "20 arrows" or whatever.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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chitoryu12 posted:

Yeah, but wouldn't the government still need to pay the fletchers for the arrows they produce on contract?

The link Shbobdb posted has numbers for a specific contract.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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ToxicSlurpee posted:

I think it was a bizarre mish mash of making them yourself, bartering for the parts you couldn't, and sharing the kill with whoever produced the arrow. Like the town smith made basically everybody's tools but wasn't necessarily paid in coin. He still needed to eat so he's probably be willing to trade some tools for several loaves of bread and a chicken or whatever.

Granted hunting at the time was primarily a noble thing; most people were subsistence farmers so the point was largely moot. Any meat they ate probably came from farm animals.

Also most, if not all, meadows, fields, & forests were owned by a local lord, the church, or the king himself, and poaching was usually punishable by death. Commoners basically didn't get to hunt & so had very little use for arrows in general.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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Carbon dioxide posted:

Well, at the very least explain what you're talking about, then.

No don't, that currency was antimemeti–aw gently caress.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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Perhaps Wappenschild (escutcheon)?

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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That's super cool. Looks like there's also been work (by others) at scanning Herculaneum papyri using similar techniques, too.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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I come from a fishing village in Denmark & since I'm a huge nerd I've learned that there's been a bunch of efforts to work with sand (too much/too little). I think the earliest (documented) case is 1680s though.

Kinda envious re mediterannean history

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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I've always been morbidly fascinated by the earthquake & tsunami that pretty much destroyed Lisbon on all saints' day 1755.

The estimated death toll is 10–100 thousand people. Early morning quake in the atlantic, close enough to affect Northern Africa & Portugal, causing fires and house collapses, then the following tsunami washed in. It was felt in Greenland and possibly even Finland and Brazil & the waves were up to 20 meters.

There was a flood in 1858 in Denmark/England/Holland that was possibly a tsunami as well, but not nearly as bad.

Tsunamis in the atlantic are rare enough that they don't have a European name, but they do happen.

E: Moorish architecture in Spain & Portugal is so beautiful.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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I'm possibly a descendant of Gabriel Milan, who was the governor of the Danish West Indies (now US Virgin Islands) in the 1680s. That is, his descendants are pretty thoroughly documented, but I believe I have found that evidence the son through whom I descended was his wife's from an earlier marriage.

Now, Gabriel's grandfather was supposedly a man named Henriques Dias Milão-Caceres (1528–1609), who lived in Portugal. He was a Jew (though converted to Catholicism) & had moved there because of Spanish prosecution (the infamous inquisition). In Portugal he did alright until the Portuguese also started up their own inquisition, and he was tortured and forced to confess to having been doing Jewish things in secret (a so-called crypto-jew). A horrible ordeal, I'm sure. He was eventually convicted of Judaism & burned at the stake, but he managed to put enough "blame" on himself to allow his children to escape to Amsterdam.

In Amsterdam, religions were pretty free even around 1600. There were the Dutch reformed, catholics, protestants, calvinists, and of course jews. Very cool I think. All the sons of Henriques eventually gave their children the name Henriques as a surname (they themselves were named like Manolo Dias Milão etc). There are many families around whose name is Henriques or Henriksen (the Danish variant) through him). There's no direct record, but supposedly, Gabriel Milan was the son of Manolo. In any case, he was definitely in Amsterdam from 1660-ish & on, until he became the governor in the Danish West Indies.

Then he really made a mess of it and was called "home" to Denmark, went through a trial, and was sentenced to have his hand and head cut off & put on stakes, but was pardoned & thus "only" beheaded in Copenhagen.

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Carthag Tuek
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Nostalgia4Dicks posted:

A lot of people don't know Portugal has two chains of islands, Madeira and Azores. Ronaldo is from the latter. I want to say Madeira is two-three islands and Azores is 10+. They're not very popular as tourist destinations because they're very expensive to visit and you might as well go elsewhere. Mainland Portuguese that have family there receive discounted airfare

Madeira is just a huge volcanic island (I mean yeah all islands are but its just volcanic rock all over)

Columbus took a port stop in Azores and part of the linking theory to the "Portugese Columbus" bit was that he knew exactly where to go and stopped there for a while, not showing a sense of urgency to spread news of his discoveries

Portugal were arguably the first to discover these islands, there were no indigenous people.

The islands always received little support and at some point there was a large struggle. Most all Portugese in America came from these islands. Many went to Hawaii, because gotta keep living that island life. So that's how so many Portuguese ended up in Hawaii. I believe it's the 3rd or 4th most spoken language in Hawaii.

People also don't realize how many places do in fact speak Portuguese. The Cape Verde islands off of West Africa, now independent, speak Portuguese. East Timor, the place near Australia. You'll find it old locals in Macau-China, and Goa-India, that still speak Portuguese. These were former Portuguese ports/forts. Then of course there's Angola and Mozambique. Angola had the huge civil war.

Portugal had a rough time and a literal totalitarian dictatorship through the 80s and I think 90s, Salazar was the dude. It was Russian-esque with literal Gestapo, political prisoners, torture, the whole bit.


Sorry for the poo poo posting here i'm on my phone but y'all have me on a tangent I can talk about this stuff all day :)

No need to apologize, it's interesting :)

Brazil speaks Portuguese too, which used to trip me up cause the rest of South America speaks Spanish.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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Chichevache posted:

I did four years of Açorean Portuguese in high school. I never could understand a word of Brazilian. It sounds like French to me.

gently caress I thought I was the only one! There really is a French sound to Brazilian Portuguese.

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Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVRaW3NzfnU&t=27s

I love this song, but the lyrics are completely impenetrable to me lol. To me it sounds like people pretending to speak French :o:.

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