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SnowblindFatal
Jan 7, 2011

Ligur posted:


It's terrible certain people told "hey, this is what is going to go down, ok?" and nobody in power listened. Now it happened (again).

I'd say that they basically calculate the benefits of having cheap exploitable workforce and the ability to lower social security vs. the increased police budgets which probably isn't even a minus in their eyes. In addition they will get to implement draconian laws when terror attacks occur.

It's a win win win win win for our leaders.

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Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug
social democaracy can't exist with open borders

Issaries
Sep 15, 2008

"Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"
ScanPol thread can't exist with open borders.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
Paavo Väyrynens initiative regarding the euro passed 51,000 votes btw.

Obfuscation
Jan 1, 2008
Good luck to you, I know you believe in hell

His Divine Shadow posted:

Paavo Väyrynens initiative regarding the euro passed 51,000 votes btw.

Does it have any stretch goals

Nurge
Feb 4, 2009

by Reene
Fun Shoe

Obfuscation posted:

Does it have any stretch goals

Paavon perse venyy.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Obfuscation posted:

Does it have any stretch goals

If it reaches 1802329 names, Paavo becomes president.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!

Hogge Wild posted:

social democaracy can't exist with open borders

Yes, what we need is a sort of "national" socialism, if you will.

I have an idea. Instead of making all kinds of limits and borders for people, why won't we make limits and borders to capital? Maybe people wouldn't wouldn't be so willing to blow themselves up if they wouldn't have to race themselves to the bottom every day just to make a living.

konna
Aug 1, 2005

Fish of hemp posted:

Maybe people wouldn't wouldn't be so willing to blow themselves up if they wouldn't have to race themselves to the bottom every day just to make a living.

What in the world. I want the happy drugs you are having.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!

konna posted:

What in the world. I want the happy drugs you are having.

You don't want these. These are very sad drugs.

And I see you didn't say I was wrong.

Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug

Fish of hemp posted:

Yes, what we need is a sort of "national" socialism, if you will.

I have an idea. Instead of making all kinds of limits and borders for people, why won't we make limits and borders to capital? Maybe people wouldn't wouldn't be so willing to blow themselves up if they wouldn't have to race themselves to the bottom every day just to make a living.

maybe if people stopped worshipping moon gods they wouldn't blow themselves up

edit: make that any gods

Wheany
Mar 17, 2006

Spinyahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Doctor Rope

Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug

im athier

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!

Hogge Wild posted:

maybe if people stopped worshipping moon gods they wouldn't blow themselves up
"Religion is the opium of the people" said old Karl-M. Why do you think those moongod worshipping people need that opium?

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦
You make a good point, we should legalize opium and drugs in general as a counter terrorism measure.

konna
Aug 1, 2005

Fish of hemp posted:

And I see you didn't say I was wrong.

Daydreams are not wrong per se. They are dreams.

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦
Are you disagreeing with his point that economic inequality and poverty are root causes for extremism of all kinds?

Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug

doverhog posted:

Are you disagreeing with his point that economic inequality and poverty are root causes for extremism of all kinds?

lol

kikkelivelho
Aug 27, 2015

what the gently caress is going on in this thread?

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

doverhog posted:

Are you disagreeing with his point that economic inequality and poverty are root causes for extremism of all kinds?

Are you agreeing with it??

Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug

kikkelivelho posted:

what the gently caress is going on in this thread?

some people think that terrorist blow themselves up because they don't have enough money for edam and iphones and not because they're members in a hosed up pedocult

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦
There's more than one reason, obviously.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Hogge Wild posted:

some people think that terrorist blow themselves up because they don't have enough money for edam and iphones and not because they're members in a hosed up pedocult

Well I don't see Juha Sipilä and other members of his hosed up pedocult blowing themselves up

Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug

Andrast posted:

Well I don't see Juha Sipilä and other members of his hosed up pedocult blowing themselves up

just you wait

konna
Aug 1, 2005

doverhog posted:

Are you disagreeing with his point that economic inequality and poverty are root causes for extremism of all kinds?

That's not the part what makes it a dream.

Dr. Klas
Sep 30, 2005
Operating.....done!

Andrast posted:

Well I don't see Juha Sipilä and other members of his hosed up pedocult blowing themselves up

This is actually my dream.

Geriatric Pirate
Apr 25, 2008

by Nyc_Tattoo

Hogge Wild posted:

some people think that terrorist blow themselves up because they don't have enough money for edam and iphones and not because they're members in a hosed up pedocult

So glad we have so many middle class kids willing to blow themselves up with 100 other people because of poverty and inequality

Patrocclesiastes
Apr 30, 2009

So Ive been seeing posts on Fb how paris attacks will happen in Finland but I still cant figure out how. Not only are you gonna be looked at suspiciously if you are Brown, how are you even supposed to get automatic guns here?

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

punakone posted:

So Ive been seeing posts on Fb how paris attacks will happen in Finland but I still cant figure out how. Not only are you gonna be looked at suspiciously if you are Brown, how are you even supposed to get automatic guns here?

Burglarize a motorcycle club?

Although joining the army would be easier, and as a bonus they give you weapons training. Then you'd either go punde or "lose" your weapon in a metsäleiri.

Nenonen fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Nov 15, 2015

konna
Aug 1, 2005

lololol Yle uutiset messing up voice over and images. Voice over speaks about terrorists while showing catholic priests holding mass.

Obfuscation
Jan 1, 2008
Good luck to you, I know you believe in hell

Geriatric Pirate posted:

So glad we have so many middle class kids willing to blow themselves up with 100 other people because of poverty and inequality

Myyrmannin pommimies, never 4get

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!

Geriatric Pirate posted:

So glad we have so many middle class kids willing to blow themselves up with 100 other people because of poverty and inequality

Then why? If their actions doesn't come from the disappointment to and disillusioment caused by capitalistic system, then why? Middle class muslims just be crazy or what?

Stay Safe
Sep 1, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Hogge Wild posted:

main reason i read this thread is to see marxists poo poo their pants when they read ligur's posts

Because you assholes got my friend Ligur banned, I decided to take his place for now. Hoookei:

Sweden has been infected with friend of the family aids! I bet the government right now is smacking their förheads saying "doh! i shoulod have seen this cominG" but they were too busy sucking off all the refugees that are coming into Malmö, because they are bög. Soon, everyone on the west coast of Finland will have aids too while Sipilä dilly-daddles around, twisting his thumbs, saying that "Islam is a religion of peace". On the bright side, Finland isn't a major target for Daesh, but we have our own problems: Greece and Ali Akhmed who lives next door to me.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

kikkelivelho posted:

what the gently caress is going on in this thread?

Everyone is a puppet master.

brakeless
Apr 11, 2011

I think Orwell on fascism applies here.

quote:

“[Hitler] has grasped the falsity of the hedonistic attitude to life. Nearly all western thought since the last war, certainly all “progressive” thought, has assumed tacitly that human beings desire nothing beyond ease, security, and avoidance of pain. In such a view of life there is no room, for instance, for patriotism and the military virtues. Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice, not to mention drums, flag and loyalty-parades ... Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a grudging way, have said to people “I offer you a good time,” Hitler has said to them “I offer you struggle, danger and death,” and as a result a whole nation flings itself at his feet”

In the sense that there's a type of disillusionment separate from the quality of life. Some people will always be drawn to the idea of a great struggle against a great percieved evil, and radical islam provides one such view of the world.
I don't think the problem will be solved until the middle east has governments that are capable of suppressing these ideas, both through soft ways like education and using force against the real hardliners. Think of the militia crazies in the US. Most of the population has other things to do and regard them as nutters, and the groups that exist are under heavy surveillance.

A good first step would be governments that don't actively sponsor terrorist groups as a means of projecting force. The house of Saud should run out of petrodollars during this century, which should hopefully help a little. Or not.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Fish of hemp posted:

Then why? If their actions doesn't come from the disappointment to and disillusioment caused by capitalistic system, then why? Middle class muslims just be crazy or what?

Keep in mind that when talking about violent radicals we are talking about a tiny subset of people. Hundreds of millions of poor muslims don't join Daesh and they abhor them, 99% of Finnish poor racists don't go arsoning refugee centres etc. Why do people become so disillusioned and alienated and radicalized is a question similar to why does Jeppe drink, if we knew the answers then we wouldn't have this issue. But yes, many kids are genuinely crazy and some of those may think they'll be remembered as heroes if they kill Bobrikoff or whatever. Again, not even all crazy kids go around hurting other people.

This shouldn't be mistaken with those locals who fight in the ranks of Daesh because it's the best available option from their perspective.

Geriatric Pirate
Apr 25, 2008

by Nyc_Tattoo

Fish of hemp posted:

Then why? If their actions doesn't come from the disappointment to and disillusioment caused by capitalistic system, then why? Middle class muslims just be crazy or what?

Most of then aren't poor, not on a national level and definitely not on a global level where they're rich. Their manifestos don't mention capitalism, just Islam. The capitalism narrative is just something you choose to attribute to their actions because that's what you consider to be the source of all their problems. If it was about lack of opportunity or capitalism, you'd see much poorer radicals and a much more even,split between Islam and non-Muslims. Oh, and they wouldn't ramble about destroying godlessness or whatever.

This Jacket Is Me
Jan 29, 2009
gently caress I thought this was the France thread.

konna
Aug 1, 2005

brakeless posted:

I think Orwell on fascism applies here.

That is a great quote.

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3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

brakeless posted:

I think Orwell on fascism applies here.


In the sense that there's a type of disillusionment separate from the quality of life. Some people will always be drawn to the idea of a great struggle against a great percieved evil, and radical islam provides one such view of the world.
I don't think the problem will be solved until the middle east has governments that are capable of suppressing these ideas, both through soft ways like education and using force against the real hardliners. Think of the militia crazies in the US. Most of the population has other things to do and regard them as nutters, and the groups that exist are under heavy surveillance.

A good first step would be governments that don't actively sponsor terrorist groups as a means of projecting force. The house of Saud should run out of petrodollars during this century, which should hopefully help a little. Or not.

Sipilä and Stubb are Hitler and everyone sending 5€ text messages to MTV Yöchätti about how unions are bad are Germany.

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