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Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

HUMAN FISH posted:

having a country leads to nationalism, which is problematic

Why is it problematic?

That said you mean there should be no countries at all, right.

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SnowblindFatal
Jan 7, 2011
IMO more leftists should read Zizek. Would solve a lot of the current idiocy.

SnowblindFatal
Jan 7, 2011

Ligur posted:

Why is it problematic?

That said you mean there should be no countries at all, right.
Yeah that's the end goal. However, the path to reaching it is not an easy one and requires less dramatic welfare disparity between world's nations.

HUMAN FISH
Jul 6, 2003

I Am A Mom With A
"BLACK BELT"
In AUTISM
I Have Strengths You Can't Imagine

Ligur posted:

Why is it problematic?

That said you mean there should be no countries at all, right.

Nationalism is just another word for fascism

If you have positive feelings about the country you live in you are basically a brownshirt

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

SnowblindFatal posted:

Yeah that's the end goal. However, the path to reaching it is not an easy one and requires less dramatic welfare disparity between world's nations.

Ahh the creation of the NEW MAN. Men will forget their language, their origins, their history, everything, and by re-education by the socialist state become THE NEXT HUMAN BE-

Like really.

Is that your goal and do you think most of the world would be like "hey, yeah".

HUMAN FISH posted:

Nationalism is just another word for fascism

If you have positive feelings about the country you live in you are basically a brownshirt

Because of D&D, can't say if serious or just D&D.

SnowblindFatal
Jan 7, 2011

Ligur posted:

Ahh the creation of the NEW MAN. Men will forget their language, their origins, their history, everything, and by re-education by the socialist state become THE NEXT HUMAN BE-
That is a short-sighted attitude. I don't think most people give a poo poo about what their ancestors held important.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

SnowblindFatal posted:

That is a short-sighted attitude. I don't think most people give a poo poo about what their ancestors held important.

You don't?

But don't you at least identify with them in some sense.

SnowblindFatal
Jan 7, 2011

Ligur posted:

You don't?

But don't you at least identify with them in some sense.

Aside from the use of psychedelics, no. They couldn't read and liked raiding their neighbours. I don't see many positive aspects of that culture I would like to reinforce.


E: That you brought this up explains a lot, though.

Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug

SnowblindFatal posted:

Aside from the use of psychedelics, no. They couldn't read and liked raiding their neighbours. I don't see many positive aspects of that culture I would like to reinforce.


E: That you brought this up explains a lot, though.

behead those who insult sauna mämmi itsemurha

Stay Safe
Sep 1, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Ligur posted:

Because of D&D, can't say if serious or just D&D.

This is a huge problem.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

D&D as in käiväröinti ja huutaminen or D&D as in dönzönsöndrögöns?

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

SnowblindFatal posted:

They couldn't read and liked raiding their neighbours.

:lol: your ancestors were Raisioans.

HUMAN FISH
Jul 6, 2003

I Am A Mom With A
"BLACK BELT"
In AUTISM
I Have Strengths You Can't Imagine
My ancestors probably thought hard work and staying alive was important. I yearn for death and hate working, we are nothing alike

Stay Safe
Sep 1, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Jerry Cotton posted:

D&D as in käiväröinti ja huutaminen or D&D as in dönzönsöndrögöns?

Been thinking about this a lot recently. Decided that Finns are elves while the Swedes and Norwegians are barbarians, and as for myself, I guess I am a bit more lawful neutral than true or chaotic neutral, and also a national socialist.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Trap sprung: lame people played D&D, cool people had Runequest.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
MONGOLS

(if you gon' probate me for this check out the other posts with not-that-much-input)

HerraS
Apr 15, 2012

Looking professional when committing genocide is essential. This is mostly achieved by using a beret.

Olive drab colour ensures the genocider will remain hidden from his prey until it's too late for them to do anything.



Jerry Cotton posted:

Trap sprung: lame people played D&D, cool people had Runequest.

sorry but true cool people pelas Kerppiä

Stay Safe
Sep 1, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Ligur posted:

MONGOLS

(if you gon' probate me for this check out the other posts with not-that-much-input)

This is a good post compared to others you have made and I have no idea why you are worried about being probated for it.

HerraS
Apr 15, 2012

Looking professional when committing genocide is essential. This is mostly achieved by using a beret.

Olive drab colour ensures the genocider will remain hidden from his prey until it's too late for them to do anything.



Maybe some swedish emigrants get offended by it?

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

HerraS posted:

swedish emigrants

:confused:

Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug

Jerry Cotton posted:

Trap sprung: lame people played D&D, cool people had Runequest.

totta vitussa


HerraS posted:

sorry but true cool people pelas Kerppiä

ne taulukot oli ihan hauskoja, mutta se hauskuus ei kauaa kestänyt

Oldsmobile
Jun 13, 2006

Ligur posted:

Hey Finns, if having an identity is harmful and equates opposing people with other identities, having read newspapers this week much to my detriment, is the Hitler-Satan why:

What is the point of having a country at all?
Why have a flag?
Why have national history?
Why have a national anthem?
Why vote?
Why pay taxes?
If borders are meaningless then why have them?

You're right. Let's not have any of those things!

No. 1 Callie Fan
Feb 17, 2011

This inkling is your FRIEND
She fights for LOVE


So, you're going to vote for SDP?

Hob_Gadling
Jul 6, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Grimey Drawer
Jungner is correct. He should know, his party has extensive experience on the subject.

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦
Jungner has always been a caricature of himself, but just in case someone doesn't understand why he's an idiot with this: every loving law society imposes on an individual is done with a yksipuolinen päätös. Or would be anyway, if this wasn't a democracy.

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

His Divine Shadow posted:

Not quite, a variant of those but not the same, different taste/texture/shape. I only ever found them at Dragsvik sotilaskoti and they where much nicer than any berliner. I could almost rejoin the army for them.



I know offhand like half a dozen places to grab 'em in Tampere, with little variations. Most of them in Kauppahalli.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
Sure you're not thinking of kermamunkkit? That might even be a picture of one, the elusive sputnik is hard to photograph.

Oldsmobile
Jun 13, 2006

Rosinamunkki!



Satakunta representin'

Stay Safe
Sep 1, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Ligur posted:

Hey Finns, if having an identity is harmful and equates opposing people with other identities, having read newspapers this week much to my detriment, is the Hitler-Satan why:

What is the point of having a country at all?
Why have a flag?
Why have national history?
Why have a national anthem?
Why vote?
Why pay taxes?
If borders are meaningless then why have them?

I don't think anyone has responded enough for you about your questions because people can write entire books about this subject. If they try to respond, they might be picked apart easily unless they write said book that covers everything because goddamn. The questions you have merit nuances found in multiple civilizations around the world with different reasons for each that cannot be established with a post on old forums. Anyway I am sure there are books out there about this topic, but I dunno, I learned about this in secondary school, so I am not sure what to use as examples.

What it comes down to is some of those things are useful, some of those things are traditional from older systems of government that people just don't care enough about to stop said tradition, and some people take those traditions too seriously when they have their national identity as their #1 major identity.

Ratpick
Oct 9, 2012

And no one ate dinner that night.

HerraS posted:

sorry but true cool people pelas Kerppiä

I still have nightmares about Rolemaster.

When I close my eyes everyone around me is tripping on imaginary turtles.

The turtles are also tripping on imaginary turtles.

It's turtles all the way down.

Wheany
Mar 17, 2006

Spinyahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Doctor Rope

Rexroom posted:



So, you're going to vote for SDP?

Heating your sauna is essentially murder, because burning wood causes particulate emissions, which kill 30 people every year

No. 1 Callie Fan
Feb 17, 2011

This inkling is your FRIEND
She fights for LOVE
Jolla is in trouble. Finland is not getting another Nokia. :(

Wheany
Mar 17, 2006

Spinyahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Doctor Rope

Rexroom posted:

Jolla is in trouble. Finland is not getting another Nokia. :(

Meh.

Too bad for the people employed there, but it was no surprise.

Wheany
Mar 17, 2006

Spinyahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Doctor Rope
Same goes for Rovio, btw. They hired a shitload of people, but didn't really seem to be able to get anything interesting out, just angrier birds.

The trailer for the animated film looked a lot better than I expected, though.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
They expanded like crazy "lol from 150 to 600 in a year haahaahaa" and even tried recruiting some of my friends. They were like, nah.

Everyone who was in the early 2000s crash knew what was going to be up.

Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

Your sword, sahib.

Ligur posted:

They expanded like crazy "lol from 150 to 600 in a year haahaahaa" and even tried recruiting some of my friends. They were like, nah.

Everyone who was in the early 2000s crash knew what was going to be up.

It's tech bubble 2.0, man. Just wait until it hits the US.

a cyborg mug
Mar 8, 2010



did Jolla ever even get as far as to release something, I can't recall seeing a single product of theirs anywhere

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦
Rovio made a simple but successful game and then expanded like crazy to put a dumb bird everywhere, toys, drinks, movies, cock rings, whatever. Maybe, as a game developer, they should've tried making more successful games instead on spending 100 million on a movie or a water park.

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦
Also Jolla was basically directly competing with android and someone actually thought that was gonna work?

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Wheany
Mar 17, 2006

Spinyahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Doctor Rope

doverhog posted:

Also Jolla was basically directly competing with android and someone actually thought that was gonna work?

Yeah, you can root your Android phone to do any nerdy bullshit you would ever want. If you want the opposite, a very controlled ecosystem, you have Apple. And if you're a Finn, you will buy a Lumia phone because they used to make them in Finland.

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