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vuohi
Nov 22, 2004
Great tag, great OP, great first page.

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vuohi
Nov 22, 2004
*doesn't want to look like a reddit user*

*uses the word "redditor"*

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004
"mun edustaman alakulttuurin hyväksymät kerskakulutuksen muodot ovat ihan toisenlaisia ja paljon parempia kuin muiden alakulttuurien."

*viisitoista täyskultaista mopoautoa ajaa ohi ja roiskii kuraa kahden tonnin kengille*

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004
(idgaf if someone buys expensive toys, just don't make any pretentious bullshit excuses for it)

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

Rexroom posted:

What the gently caress is going on?

An argument between two people who have a history of getting probated in suomiketju.

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

Hob_Gadling posted:

Unfortunately it is not.

DON'T WATCH THIS VIDEO, IT JUST MAKES YOU ANGRY:

:nms: :nws:
https://www.facebook.com/labibertei.abohasan/videos/130859883946243
:nms: :nws:

Oh please you only care about cat sodomy when it isn't the usual white men doing it.

Besides when you standardize certain variables (primarily age and gender) particular groups of people are only ten times more likely to stick their finger up a cat's anus, not twenty.

Radical felinists have been talking about cat rape culture for years, and nobody gave a poo poo about it until now. Hypocrites.


(my facebook etc have been 50% this for the past weeks so please excuse me)

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

Kemper Boyd posted:

Does someone remember those political attitude studies or whoever made them? You know, the ones that say that the whole "everyone's a leftist/liberal when young" thing is a blatant lie and those people tended to be rightwing and conservative from the start. Including the generation that was into the whole punk rock thing.

Like I don't know about you dudes and dudettes but at least I was far more right-wing when I was about 16 or so and now hail Zizek worship Kropotkin.

I've thought this for a long time, and to me it seems like results like that are a reflection of the natural insecurity of the young in a complex and fast-changing world. Like it or not, many of those teens abandon their views pretty much the way that GP described it a page or two back. Get your first good job, and then it's FYGM.

Personally I don't give a poo poo about anything that some kid might say about their social beliefs, when it would actually seem that most people are super accustomed to certain standards of living and consumption, and would really never consider about giving some away. This is becomes obvious when we look at how the standards of living have changed in 20-40 years. People of the same comfortable background as me pretty much always look very surprised when I mention that I haven't traveled anywhere in the past ten years, and I know only a few other people who don't have a smartphone.

The myth of a budding generation of new left-wing voters keeps getting perpetuated by people who really really want it to be true. How long has it been going on now, this expectation of these new, all-changing cohorts? Twenty years?

I used to be a lot of more "left-wing" as a kid. Turns out I am exactly FYGM as others, but I just don't care about quite the same ways of consumption that others do. v:shobon:v (Speaking of which, those "I used to be x in my teens, but now I am y, therefore all x are as mature as I was at 16" stories are silly and convince no-one. People move to all kinds of directions ideologically over time.)

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

Gortarius posted:

Tuleekos huomenna kunnon kahakka jossain päin Suomea kun on kuulemma sekä kaljamahaset uusnatsit sekä hipsteri anarkistit marssimassa samaan aikaan, vai olenko nyt ymmärtänyt jotain väärin?

Seisoin vieressä, kun yksi Tampereen johtava anarkisti tulosti niitä julisteita ison nipun yliopiston printterillä. Se siitä liukeni aika nopeasti (taisi ujostuttaa kun oli yksin), joten en ehtinyt sanoa, että lupaan olla paljastamatta anarkistisen kirjapainon sijaintia ohranalle.

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004
My life-long belief in the unconditional truthfulness of Finnish politicians was also shattered last week.

loving Stubb why did you do this to me? Doesn't he realize that this changes everything?

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

Oldsmobile posted:

Actually it's not. Having everything bombed to poo poo boosts the economy. That's why war is good for business and why the world is hosed up.

You have expressed this idea before in suomipolketju. I'm slowly starting to think that you might be serious.

Antti posted:

If the economy desperately needs stimulus and the government is refusing to increase spending except by repairing broken windows, then maybe a government-subsidized window manufacture and repair industry is the only politically possible way to stimulate the economy.

You too.

Could we at least spare the populations of Nagasaki and Dresden this time? If we have to torch down the cities to improve the economy, let's give the people a chance to get away first. We could pay the burial industry for, eh, just digging a hole and then filling it without actually putting anyone in there this time.

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

Pussy Noise posted:

Today at Prisma I took the elevator down to the parking garage with a slightly disheveled obese man wearing a kiitospaita who had ten frozen tarjous-hams in his shopping cart. People from Prisma.

What a foolish person. No wonder he is poor and has to hoard cheap meat, he doesn't even know that frozen hams get their deepest discount a week after joulumas, not before.

I hope I don't look as pleb as that guy when I stock up on chevre and chorizo twice a year at galna dagar.

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004
Janitskin is a creep, but is it right that nothing else has happened except a guy combined data from two public sources, one of which is the bastion of privacy called "facebook"?

What exactly is the big deal? Don't people know how much of their basic information is actually completely public? You need very little information about a person if you want to find someone in Finland.

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

Nenonen posted:

Well for one thing, it's a crime. Secondly it's like stalking except on a mass scale and with political motivation. Imagine if everyone started putting together registers like that, what would happen to public discourse in this country?

Sure, it's a crime, and a lovely thing to do. I hope he gets the fine that he has earned. But why are we talking about this?

If you compile a list of two million people, more than a third of the population, that can hardly be called "stalking" anymore. Personally I'd be far more worried to be on a list of a hundred people than one of millions.

What is the political motivation and how has it been demonstrated? If it turns out that someone has been harassed or intimidated because of that database, I will of course change my entire opinion about it.

It is more than likely that all kinds of less-than-legit people have lists like that. I don't even want to know how many lists I am on.

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004
Sorry, but even if I try, there's no other way that I can read that except "ban phone books, at least in electric form". Privacy is very important to me, but that's going too far. Yes, we have to live with the risk that some rear end in a top hat will try to combine the phone book with people's embarrassing but public facebook group memberships.

If there are two million people listed, there's no way that someone has manually combed through their "controversial" posts. What little can be seen in those screenshots is groups. If I am wrong, I'll mention in advance that I know nothing about this except what has been posted ITT.

Keeping a database like that is of course very creepy (unlike some, I don't use that word lightly) and altogether very unfortunate. Even if it is always good advice not to attach your name to dumb poo poo online, there's no reason to blame the victim if someone gets abused for that. Also facebook is terrible in every way. The amount of online tracking they can do with their omnipresent embedded scripts is just absurd. Google ads is primitive when compared to how well personalized my facebook ads are. It will be one hell of a day for everyone when all that poo poo leaks one day.

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004
Now now, you don't want to be THESE GUYS, do you?

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004
The Auer thing is an absolute disgrace for the judicial system, but the one single most sad/hilarious thing about it was this:

http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/200805177666153_uu.shtml

Short version: CSI Ulvila arrested and held an innocent man for several days probably because... check his picture and you will understand. I'm sure it is perfectly reasonable to suspect him when the killing was done with a knife.

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

SnowblindFatal posted:

I'm not saying we should convict people due to their appearances, but I dare anyone of you to tell me that Auer doesn't look like a goddamn psychopath.

You can't tell that from someone's picture.

But of course she did it. It's always the spouse, a drunken friend, or the butler.

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

SnowblindFatal posted:

Our evolution has developed us to see the madness in other people.

E: Sorry for your autism.

Well if that's true, then I guess only autists get murdered by crazy people, since they can't see it coming.

Serves them right, the neurofaulty.

In retrospect, I don't know if demonstrating logic is actually a good response to being called an autist. Yet my inability to make changes to my previously formulated plans makes me post this anyway.

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

SnowblindFatal posted:

Really, am I the only one who gets ultracreepy vibes from Auer?

Also of course it's not 100% accurate. I hope you aren't claiming that our brains don't have a lot of hardwired mechanisms for spotting unstable people. The autism thing was a joke because I insinuated that you are unable to read people's faces. And jokes apparently. :mmmhmm:

I can spot the dude who talks to everyone on the street, but sociopaths actually appear completely normal, even charming.

Yes, it's true. I don't get jokes and I am also unable to respond to them with my own.

Your perception about Auer is probably coloured a little by the context you first saw her in.

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004
mää en oo kyllä ihan vakuuttunut, että oikea tapa suhtautua janitskiniin on sanoa "kiero ryssä se on saatana".

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004
Both the best and the worst:

NC manages yet again wiggle into the government, do their thing there, and cause the support of another government party to take a nosedive.

I don't vote them, I don't much like them, but I have to admire them. Well done.

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

Hogge Wild posted:

The high points of the political year were when the great minds of the self declared red-green Finnish intelligentsia like eg. Krista Kosonen shat their pants in impotent rage.
That was indeed great. Hurrr hurrr hurrr ussss the culture workers, creative minds hurrrrrr.

*every single Finnish feature film in the past 30 years except stuff made by brothers Kaurismäki, Donner, v Bagh and Härö gets erased out of existence*
*absolutely nothing of value was lost*

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

Herman Merman posted:

you misspelt Spede Pasanen

I was worried that I had made some glaring omission and this was it.

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004
The Geocities Webring of Finnish Furry Vore Artists would like to voice their concern about the hostility towards art and culture in our present day political climate.

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

DanTheFryingPan posted:

Poster "vuohi" thinks Mika Kaurismäki makes good movies. Makes you think what else he gets wrong.

Look me straight into my... username, and tell me that this isn't great:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WWcAVpocnc

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

DanTheFryingPan posted:

31 years ago, owned.

e: Past glories don't excuse current terrible films.

I admit that you are technically right.

I also haven't seen all of Mika's films. Or Aki's.

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

vitu awesome ajaa ruotsinlaivalla ja mennä ray:n kasinoon

THE ACE OF SPADES, THE ACE OF SPADES

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

Ligur posted:

So as a punishment I always had to carry the light machinegun for the team... which was exactly what I wanted.
Asko Vilenius inttistories

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

HerraS posted:

meiän komppanian varapäällikkö huudatti Dimmu Borgiria toimistossaan niin et koko kasarmi tärisi

saergh, blaerath ja komppanian varapäällikkö poser hintti möttönen

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

lol the magazine is called "Karjalan Heili"

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

Rexroom posted:

It's not a problem. The problem is that Halla-aho poisoned the debate with generalizations, us vs them vocabulary and overarching narratives about Muslim hordes forcing Finnish women wearing sacks or something.
This bald, bloodless, part time Church Slavic teacher person you speak of must be a really powerful shaman, if he can by himself decide the fate of a societal debate in the whole country and no-one could have done anything about it.

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

Rexroom posted:

However the whole "immigration critical" circle heavily revolved around him and his blog, so it can pretty safely be said that he was one of the main ideologues of that movement.
Seriously speaking, of course I agree with you that Halla-aho has been central in that scene, and that he is often, ummm, "less-than-constructive" so to speak. If you check his public Facebook page it is mostly just snark about "ullatus", and he's a goddamn MEP now, not some random blogger letting out his steam.

I also think that we see the actual problem pretty much the same way, as in "currently it is very difficult to have any reasonable public discussion about immigration", and that racist extremists are among those who should be blamed for it. What we likely see differently is how this situation came to be.

I just find it completely implausible that if we ("the public discourse in Finland") had had someone half-reasonable arguing and exploring the option "our system can't cope with x-amount of y-kind of immigration", a position which you earlier said that is within the limits of reasonable, Halla-aho could have hogged the limelight like he managed to do. Now we have to live with the situation as it is.

What I meant with my earlier, not-so-serious post is that a whole bunch of well-meaning people unintentionally given Mestari an empty stage for him to take over. I emphasize that I am not equating them, but I do hold every op-ed writer who has ever said "mutta olihan Dzeims Finlaysonkin mamu" partly responsible about the record low level of discussion. Recycling absolutely inane talking points, such as making comparisons between a 19th century machinist and a 21th century Iraqi refugee, is emblematic how absolutely unwilling "the reasonable people" have been to have a reasonable discussion. It is convenient and reassuring to say that "those people" (Halla-aho and his ilk) are the only ones to blame, but I don't think it's true.

If there are no reasonable voices to be found, the crackpots will steal the show. It's not entirely the crackpots' fault, and yes, I certainly do hold reasonable people to a higher standard. A much higher standard really. The existence of rabid racists on the internet isn't an excuse that the reasonable people should use to withhold from having a reasonable discussion among themselves. That's just a really bad excuse.

I was involved in a discussion about climate change a few months ago. A person there expressed her worry about 10% of polled Finns being denialists, and I had to say that I found it really odd how much that bothered her. How does it matter what the 10% think? There will never be a moment where all people will hold the factually correct or politically correct view about anything. Meanwhile the 90% are free to do whatever they want completely regardless of the opposing minority.

Nenonen posted:

Väinämöinen was a child rapist. Therefore, all Finns are.

Did she wear a short skirt? Did she say "no" clearly enough? Did she turn into a fish to try to avoid the situation?

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

Jerry Cotton posted:

This short mixed-blood failed painter corporal with one testicle must be a really powerful shaman...
The world could have avoided that guy too, had some different choices been made.

Good for us that his totem animal became angry at him in Stalingrad and he shot himself.

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

Ligur posted:

Ihan näin asian vierestä, vuohi taitaa olla ihan fiksu tyyppi eikä panikoi housuihinsa koko ajan. Ja älkää saatanassa assisoiko sitä mitenkään minuun, hän ei sitä itse pyytänyt. Antakee miehen olla.

Mutta varmaan vituttaa tämä sama asia, kehtasi sanoa eli ei, kyllähän sen noista postauksista näkee.

Niin vituttaa muakin samat asiat.

Ööö, kiitos vain tästä hyvin yllättävästä valkoritaroinnista, mutta kukaan ei ole sanonut mulle edes yhtä poikkipuolista sanaa.

Eikä mua kyllä mikään erityisemmin vituta. Hölmöyden määrä maailmassa on käytännössä loputon, ei tämä yksi kysymys siinä joukossa paljoa paina.

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004
Jerry Cotton has truly managed to maintain his innocent, childlike wonder.

No other adult man that I know of posts about pedocults and hating Eastern, Northern and Southern Finland quite like him.

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004
Tietokilpa: Kuka voisi mahdollisesti kirjoittaa näin?

quote:

Suomalaisnousukkaiden kuningas Cheek piiskasi Ratinan stadionkonsertissa nuorison hurmokseen ja ilotulitteistakin otettiin sokkaa irti lähes koko shown ajan. Toisella kanavalla melskasi taas stadionrokin dinosaurus U2 Irlannista, joka hurmasi Pariisin konsertissa fanilaumansa häikäisevällä visuaalisuudella ja häpeilemättömällä maailmanparannuksella.

Pariisin terrori-iskujen jälkeen nauhoitettu konsertti oli väkevä puheenvuoro maailmanrauhan, solidaarisuuden ja uskontojen välisen dialogin puolesta. Sohvanurkassa minäkin pidättelin kyyneleitä koko kahden ja puolen tunnin konsertin ajan.

U2:n herätyskokoksen jälkeen jäin kovasti pohtimaan, mihin Jare Tiihosen alias Cheekin lumo oikein perustuu. Hän kieltämättä tekee ammattitaidolla näyttävän shown, musiikki on laadukkaasti toteutettua, mutta konsertin viesti jäi minulle erittäin epäselväksi.

1. Alle 40-vuotias kokoomuslainen
2. Alle 40-vuotias keskustalainen
3. Alle 40-vuotias sosialidemokraatti
4. Alle 40-vuotias kristillisdemokraatti

Vastaus: http://demokraatti.fi/55644-2/

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004
paskapuhetta mutta uskon, koska haluan uskoa

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

doverhog posted:

I've never actually listened to a Cheek song but it's some kind of rap targeted at teenage girls right?

As opposed to all other suomiräppi being targeted at teenage boys? The answer is yes.

Cheek has also garnered a cult following among aspiring adult elitists, who like to express their refined tastes by loudly disparaging a children's entertainer. (See also: Adult gamerz getting mad about pewdiepie.)

vuohi
Nov 22, 2004
Missä on Ligur puolustamassa minua tältä hyökkäykseltä nyt kun häntä tarvittaisiin?

Ai joo viikon ehdonalaisella tietysti.

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vuohi
Nov 22, 2004

Kemper Boyd posted:

Discussed this elsewhere, but now that the Schengen treaty is functionally dead, it's only a matter of time before countries that rely on exporting labor start making GBS threads themselves. If Estonians, for example, can't no longer jump on a boat and come work to Finland, that country's economy is gonna go into the shitter.

The refugee/migrant crisis has really shown a new, differently dysfunctional side of the EU. Agreements and treaties just stop getting applied almost overnight. Schengen is one thing, but the agreed relocation scheme for 160 000 refugee hopefuls just simply not getting done was also amazing. The management of the Southern banking/financial crisis wasn't too stellar either, but it doesn't get much more clear cut than this. There is a larger than negligible chance that some agreements just won't mean poo poo the next morning.

I don't know about you guys, but this really has affected some of my personal views about the EU as a whole.

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