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Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Saxophone posted:

Is everything really this utterly awful and bleak or is this thread just going full on "Mad Max is coming!"

A little of A & a little of B if you ask me.

It's going to be pretty bad but I doubt we'll go extinct.

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Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Saxophone posted:

I always knew this poo poo was dire, I just didn't expect in the next 10-20 years dire. I thought maybe I could responsibly not have children, try to make the place better than I found it and die before things got really hairy. Which sounds kinda fygm of me, but unless I can magically invent carbon scrubbers that act ridiculously quickly, I don't see a way out.

I'm 35 and overweight, realistically, I'm at the half point of my life anyway. I was just sort of hoping I could die in relative-ish comfort. Maybe I'm just dealing with the termanality of it all. I just want to go squeeze my wife really hard. I don't think I could realistically move to NZ. Maybe somewhere within the US, but yeah. I'm also probably in full "aware of own mortality" mode and freaked that I'm gonna wind up starving in the desert that I'm.assuming the Midwest will become.

Don't worry mate, just do what you can to not gently caress future generations over & enjoy your life...

I'm 48 & in 20yrs I'll probably be dead, you like me will miss the worst of it.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Rip Testes posted:

I do not think I am well. It is just a small relief to type it out and not keep it internalized.

Type it out mate, I was the same & ended up on antidepressants... they are not the way to go.

A bit of feedback helps a lot.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Nocturtle posted:

The current inaction towards climate change is a temporary condition reflecting a generational divide, where in the west at least millenials onward take climate change very seriously.


If western democracies manage to avoid fascism over the next couple of decades there will be incredible political will towards addressing the problem after enough boomers die off. The tragedy of course is that by that time it will be too late and >2C warming will likely be locked in, and ongoing crises will hamper emission reduction efforts.

I think your bang on here..

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Rip Testes posted:

I have to be honest knowing that life is short and all this is in the pipe I am considering accelerating my personal timelines. Not coming from a climate news standpoint, my wife the other day was mentioning moving back to her homeland with what we have which would be enough to retire with given the circumstances of her place of origin. I've been reticent to fully consider it due to the lack of healthcare there, but maybe that's less an issue. Retire to the boondock mountains of a foreign land away from this thread, the news and a large part of modern technological life. My mentality may improve, have more time with family, definitely have less of a carbon footprint and there could be a chance that the vicissitudes of climate change in that region and personal health work out in the long run.

If after careful thought & discussion with your misses it still seems a good idea you ought to go for it.

The current style of life is bullshit.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Accretionist posted:

Yeah. We are a splurge. The American way of life will end either by choice or by failure. It'd be much easier for all involved -- except the aristocrat types -- if we changed willingly.


I figure it's mostly a combination of pie-in-the-sky hypotheticals and SA's hundreds of emigration-ready techies.

I'm kinda hoping for a 'French Revolution' type thing, it's unlikely but would maybe save us.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

StabbinHobo posted:

i'm kindof amazed we don't have more robotic solar farm stuff going yet

like instead of making panels they should just make giant rolls that farming machinery can layout dozens of acres a day of

That's thinking anyone is going to make the effort though... FYGM is in full effect :(

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Mozi posted:

I'm so depressed about all of this (and more or less everything going on in the world today) and it seems to me that depression is a rational response to this so it feels to me that it is right for me to be depressed.

Also when articles end like this:

Yeah, I'm sure that will really kick in any day now. Surely the new IPCC report is still the talk of the town!

Depression is probably a rational response but it won't help you, go & see the Doc mate, explain the deal to him/her.

I just got put on medication for other reasons & it's already helping.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

How are u posted:

You don't get on the plane. I'm getting on the loving plane and doing something I enjoy before I die.

So.. in order you can live your life your going to advocate the next generation does not get born?

How are u posted:

I think I owe it to those kids to try and keep them from being born at all.

I think your sister should probably stay away from you.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

How are u posted:

I'm living my life one way or the other. If I were the next generation I would not want to be born.

I wasn't trying to argue with you, I just wanted clarification of your position.

There's a lot of 'ME' in what your saying... Maybe you wish you hadn't been born but it's unfair to project that onto the next generation.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

im depressed lol posted:

I'm so loving bad at posting, so to save you the trouble of reading between the lines here I'm suggesting that shame tactics towards corporations could have a much larger impact. Individual action is great and important, and any action is better than casual disregard. It may even amount to nothing, but that rationalization is feeding into the 'do-nothing because what if we made the world a cleaner better place and climage change isn't even real?' mentality of the 80s/90s.

To discourage individual action is just.... wrong. Instead of shaming individuals how about intense, hardcore targeted harassment of corporations that contribute to climate change? The reason why this isn't done is probably "they have money, and can afford to sue you into silence". But maybe that reason actually isn't true and is only wrong because previous campaigns used far too wide a brush and didn't get a quick run by maybe a volunteer legal outfit?

Edit: And to point at an example of why a 'volunteer' lawyer isn't out of the stretch of the imagination Jim "Jonestown" Jones managed to convince a lawyer to work for him for free.

The 'shame tactic' could be much wider in effect if you ask me.

We recently had a smart meter fitted & it has a remote display that shows all the usual + the Co2 generated... I'm loving ashamed of how much Co2 we generate in our house.
I use public transport, walk, etc.. & I'm trying to cut down on Co2 but it's not easy, the wife has to drive to work & our kids could give less than than 2 shits :(

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

im depressed lol posted:

I suppose it's easier to shame a corporation regarding something they made that remains as solid i.e. you can point at some plastic in the ocean and say:


SEE, A loving NESTLE BRANDED WATER BOTTLE CHOKING THIS BIRD TO DEATH

vs.

LOOK AT THE ATOMIC AGE OF THIS PARTICULATE IN THE ATOMOSPHERE THAT CONTRIBUTES TO GLOBAL WARMING, IT'S PRECISELY CORRELATED TO THE OPENING OF THIS POWER PLANT/DEFORESTATION/WHATEVER

What would the feasibility of something like that be? I know analysis of every atom of pollution in the air is ABSOLUTELY insane and this was intended as a joke. But what about something akin to the Seed-to-Sale recreational Marijuana system [June 2018] that Massachusetts is doing as it opens up recreational marijuana sales?


I'd vote for you.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

im depressed lol posted:

I had no idea this was a thing. The Co2 logging.


I've no idea how accurate it is but it sure makes me turn stuff off at night.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

im depressed lol posted:

I was thinking of it as a way to get people to do poo poo like "using a clothes-line outside when possible, instead of the electric dryer; that will save me money and give me some number to talk about with my friends"

Or it would get more people to use coin-op laundromats which probably still would be a net good for the environment despite transportation, as those hardcore industrial dryers are being maintain by an organization who gets rewarded by maximizing the efficiency of their energy use and the machine's lifespan.

Great idea's mate :)

We just need more people to buy into the idea.
(My misses for example lol)

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Rime posted:

I suggest spending a lot of time in nature dropping acid, at least that's how I've been coping.

I'm drinking beer & smoking weed to cope... though to be fair I'd be drinking beer & smoking weed to celebrate if the world was going well.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener
I don't generally buy from thrift stores but I do tend to wear my clothes until they literally fall off.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Shifty Nipples posted:

No they are right, most of your posts are angry and confrontational.

I kinda get his point though... If you totally believe (and I do as well) we are loving the planet up for generations to come it's natural to be a bit angry about it.

It's still worth seeing the doc though.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

The Dipshit posted:

Over the next 20 years they'll quite likely have a billion climate refugees between them. I think you don't appreciate the problem here. :v:

I pretty much agree with you here...

I wonder how that will play out seeing as they both have nukes.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Conspiratiorist posted:

The trigger will be the Indus Waters Treaty coming apart, as Pakistan relies on that water to subsist, and they have nukes too.

Bearing in mind both have nukes & bearing in mind your point about the water.. some sort of crazy all out war is almost certainly going to happen as the temperatures increase ?

At this point I'm almost tempted to join the guy jetting around to see cats.

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Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Conspiratiorist posted:

No, that's for intentional stratospheric aerosol injection as SRM.

irt existing global dimming, I don't have studies on hand but I recall it's masked something like 60-70% of the true warming we've experienced over the last century, and since particulates like aerosol droplets and black carbon only last a few weeks in the atmosphere before falling, a hard cease in all emissions would indeed result in a sudden temperature spike in the order of half to a full degree Celcius.

Just checking I got this right.. So somehow we have to reduce our Co2 emissions while simultaneously emitting enough black carbon & aerosol to stop even more warming?

Crap! we really have baked in a hard time for ourselves :(

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