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Professor Beetus: Apr 12, 2007; They can fight us
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AceOfFlames posted:

Do whatever the gently caress you want but for God's sake, don't loving have kids. They won't solve climate change, they will most likely put you in a home despite your protests, and will most likely have views you cannot hope to understand, all of this in addition to living in a hellscape. There is literally zero reason to have children. Zero.

I've seen a ton of people I went to college with who (at least at some point) were more leftist than me that are now all having kids, and I'm just thinking "loving really?" Surely most of these people have to know better but I guess the drive to pass on your genes is just too strong for most people to resist.

loving hell I have yet to see any of my friends choose to adopt, except for an awesome lesbian couple who made the effort to adopt an at risk youth they were fostering.

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AceOfFlames posted:

To be honest I am seriously starting to believe most people have children because they are BORED. If you’re not a workaholic and don’t have a really intense hobby, at some point you can have all this time remaining. People avoid adopting because either they want something "theirs" or because it's too much of a long and expensive hassle. It’s hosed up.

"It's so hard to adopt" should be a wake up call for people that they maybe aren't ready for a kid, but no, it is the system that is wrong.

# ¿ Apr 4, 2018 21:26

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unlawfulsoup posted:

I really like this SA thread and loathe it at the same time. We have sadbrains who are contemplating suicide or asking where they can run to avoid global catastrophic issues. We have the no-kids guy(s), good luck with that. We also have people who think the horribly inefficient western lifestyle which is already straining the environment should be a global phenomenon (and then we maybe do something). Sandwiched in-between are some really interesting posts and people posting good articles/reports.

Things are just going to keep getting worse and the real million dollar question is at what point we will truly reach the collective 'oh poo poo we REALLY need to actually do something' moment. Logically that would have been many years ago, but what do scientists know. Some countries and groups have tried, but the problem really needs to be looked at on a global scale politically and economically. Global pushes to ban coal usage, global sharing/subsidizing of green tech, global efforts to resettle people. It should start with us living in western countries taking one for the team first, since we have enjoyed a hundred plus years of CO2 spewing industrialization. Good luck in America, for instance trying to shift to a greener vehicle fleet or mandating a minimum MPG for vehicles, half measure that themselves are almost impossible. Our last president who at least pretended to care about the issue only managed to ram through some minor measures because our legislative branch is utter gobshite. So yeah, most of us are unfortunately saddled to political systems that are completely resistant to long term thinking, or any concept of equity. Not that I think socialism now would magically fix things, but the current capitalist model is totally incapable of dealing with a crises such as climate change. Meanwhile the general current of research tends to be, things are worse than we expected.

I don't spend too much of life depressing about it, but I do wonder if in the next 20 years we will see some really ugly conflicts (god-forbid India/Pakistan) or if the tidal wave of migrations will actually get the rich nations to do something more than plop a few wind turbines and pat themselves on the back. Like I said before, there really is only so long you can kick the can down the road with this. It would be nice to at least attempt to address things before millions of people die.

I mean people are gonna gently caress and I get that, it's just that if you know even a little bit about what climate change can potentially do to civilization over the next 50-100 years, you are either hopelessly naive about our chances or a huge piece of poo poo to inflict that on your offspring.

If in 2018 you just cannot fathom the idea of not being a parent, please consider adoption first.

# ¿ Apr 4, 2018 22:29

Professor Beetus: Apr 12, 2007; They can fight us
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^Oocc I think you are not a bad dude but you're not doing anyone any favors by trotting out your anti-woman strawman arguments as if that's what any of us are saying. poo poo's beneath you man.^

I mean at some point even to current deniers/optimists it's going to be pretty clear that you are damning your kids and grandkids to hellscape so you do you. I get that it's literally in our genetics to want to gently caress and create life but how much can you really love a kid that you are dooming to the resource wars of 2053 or whatever?

Professor Beetus fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Apr 5, 2018

# ¿ Apr 5, 2018 06:05

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Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Like we have such a good answer on how to reduce population. It works with 100% success rate and is win win for everyone. You just increase people's quality of life and particularly give women equal rights and education and the problem solves itself. It's a perfect solution.

Like literally the only reason to not like it as a solution is that it "rewards" people with a better life instead of making people cry in a sad dark mud hut and reflect on their sins against the earth then solve it by paying penences.

I never said I was against any of those things you're talking about though? Like I used to work at Planned Parenthood and directly lobbied government for legislation to increase access to birth control, sexual health education, and etc.

I'm sorry that the science of climate change is making having kids look like an increasingly destructive and selfish choice, but that's not to say I think we need legislation to stop it or that it would even be effective.

Potato Salad posted:

Speaking of strawmen, you're heedlessly framing this as a hate against women thing

No I'm not? Oocc was the one insinuating that anyone suggesting people stop having kids is obviously a monster that just wants to use the excuse of climate change to punish women.

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# ¿ Apr 5, 2018 15:26

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Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Anyone that wants to remove or impede any woman's reproductive freedom in any way is a hosed up piece of poo poo.

Anyone that wants to improve people's lives and through that reap the demographic changes that means that over a population women have less kids while still giving individual women more freedom is cool and good.

You can support a woman's right to choose while still being realistic about what the world will look like for those kids in 50 years. Like I would never vote to impede anyone's reproductive rights but I can still hold the opinion that the person on my news feed who just popped out a 6th kid is an irresponsible idiot.

# ¿ Apr 5, 2018 15:50

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Owlofcreamcheese posted:

So like if a wizard solved all climate change or whatever you'd be way buddy buddy with this totally gender neutral person on your friends list that pops out children? And this isn't a preexisting opinion you hold about the number of children they chose to have that you are just using climate change as a convenient cudgel to attack?

Your ability to see the worst in people is certainly admirable.

I've spent the greater part of my adulthood making lovely wages in order to improve the lives of others in my community but nah, the guy who burns carbon at an alarming rate to see loving cats all over the world has a moral leg up on me.

# ¿ Apr 5, 2018 16:19

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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

If I recall correctly this is the person who flew to multiple other continents to take pictures of cats

Yeah, I mentioned that in the very post that you quoted. :downs:

# ¿ Apr 5, 2018 16:32

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Potato Salad posted:

"I'm not making a strawman out of this, now let me explain to you why a gender neutral issue is actually about mysogyny."

http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/theme/rights/

You are trying very hard to shoehorn OOCC's out-of-mainstream opinion on population policy as a sex/gender hatred issue. It isn't. You need deprogramming, whether that's a couple deep breaths or alteration of your media diet.

You misread my initial post. I am claiming that oocc is strawmanning my position as misogynistic hate, his position is very clearly not misogynistic in any way and I never said as much.

# ¿ Apr 5, 2018 16:58

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Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Cats are great and I'm one of the only humans who has ever lives in all of history that has petted a cat on every continent that has a cat.

But I haven't had children either, and it didn't take a gun to my head or anyone insulting me. Give people options and people will find their own things to do. Restrict people's options and people will pick among the few that are open to everyone regardless of if it's what they wanted. Give everyone on earth a good standard of living and some people will find they want a family with children and some people want to see some cats or run a goat farm or live in a boat or whatever.

I did what you wanted: not have kids. But it didn't require punishing me or looking down at me (which wouldn't have happened as much because I'm a man anyway). But it's bad because I also took like 10 international flights instead of crying in a corner and deciding to forgo children in a self deprecation sort of penance way.

give people options and some people will pick kids and some people won't and statistically it works out to be less than replacement.

I love cats but I work locally to help companion animals and the people in need who care for them rather than fling myself across the globe in order to satisfy some selfish desire.

You are woefully naive and optimistic about what how society will weather climate change and we will never be able to offer the rest of the world the high standard of living that you or I currently enjoy barring some sort of miracle breakthrough in energy production.

E: also I'm sure my carbon footprint sucks poo poo too but I'm not going to be god drat moralized at by the guy who flew across the world multiple times to see cats.

Professor Beetus fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Apr 5, 2018

# ¿ Apr 5, 2018 17:03

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Owlofcreamcheese posted:

I don't know if you personally are misogynic, who knows.

I do know that attacks on women for having "too many children" in a frame of them being morally bad is a thing and that people use that to reframe lots of different topics into cover stories on ways to attack sinful women who "pop out" children. As being slutty or assumed to be poor or somehow using money that the speaker thinks should be theirs or whatever.

Like on stuff like that people are just using stuff like environmentalism as a cover, if a wizard fixed environmentalism they'd still be equal amounts mad about those women and just move on to some new 'neutral' reason why they hate them.

To people like that some answer that gave those women even more stuff, and a better standard of living is seen as bad, they didn't even pay penance for their sins, they just got more wealth/education/whatever without having to suffer at all for their "crimes". To anyone else more options is a win win for literally everyone involved. You get sub replacement population growth, women retain their choice to have children, no draconian law need to be enacted and the women have a better quality of life. It's a perfect solution.

Well I'm sorry but a wizard did not fix climate change and having lots of kids is a selfish and immoral choice in 2018. I am not advocating for legislation to stop people from doing so but I reserve my right to judge them for being selfish. Especially davebo and his wife what the gently caress. Adopt you selfish fuckers.

# ¿ Apr 5, 2018 17:24

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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

Did you edit that? Because when I first clicked quote I didn't see that

I might have ninja edited for clarity come to think of it.

And lol at the idea of raising people's standards of livings being the solution to environmental issues. Jesus Christ if everyone on Earth was the United States we'd be extinct by now.

I do think other countries are doing high standards of living more sustainably than the US but they are all smaller and more homogenous as well.

# ¿ Apr 5, 2018 18:36

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self unaware posted:

I think access to food and water for vast swathes of the world population has not been guaranteed historically and pretending like you shouldn't have kids if you don't have guaranteed access to <collection of things I feel are required to have a 'fulfilling life'> is first-worlder bullshit. Because plenty of people don't. And telling them they shouldn't have kids because the first world can't stop emitting carbon is heartless, counterproductive and ultimately evil.

Did you see that chart of world population growth that shows the explosion of people in relatively recent history? What do you think will happen to that chart when things degrade to those pre-population explosion living conditions in terms of scarcity of resources?

# ¿ Apr 5, 2018 20:16

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self unaware posted:

Birth rates and death rates skyrocket, probably a massive disease outbreak. Millions, if not billions, dead. Nuclear war. Famine, drought.

None of that makes life not worth living or having kids a problem.

More importantly, not having kids won't stop it from happening either.

Well that's certainly a thing you believe.

# ¿ Apr 5, 2018 20:21

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Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Sure, whatever on that. For the guy saying "I don't think having children is immoral because it accelerates global warming. I think having children is immoral because you absolutely cannot provide them a full, joyful life - with previous generations the thinking was you would be able to provide your children a better life than you had, but now I cannot even reasonably assume they'll have a life equal to mine. In fact I can reasonably assume they'll live a life of extreme difficulty and suffering" adoption makes no sense. The adopted kid would also have to live in his weird hell fantasy just as much as the biological one.

It still makes more sense to help the humans that are already here vs making whole new ones that will have to suffer. I don't necessarily agree with his reasoning but it still makes sense.

# ¿ Apr 6, 2018 00:08

Professor Beetus: Apr 12, 2007; They can fight us
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Personally I think it's pretty gross that people think that humanity should suffer no consequences or feel no shame for our utter disregard for the natural world. Sure, we've annihilated countless unrecoverable animal species and hosed up the earth so bad that we've practically guaranteed our own extinction, but it's okay, nature probably would have done it anyway at some point! And animals don't have morals so who cares if we kill them all, am I right? :iamafag:

# ¿ Apr 9, 2018 18:51

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Papal Infallibility posted:

Literally LOL if you think anybody posting here has seen an animal other than a rat or a pigeon in the last few years. It's all abstract, I bet a lot of them don't even think animals can feel pain anyways.

Well I mean OOCC has flown to six continents to pet cats.

# ¿ Apr 9, 2018 19:05

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Thug Lessons posted:

Not "probably would have", but "already has for 99.9% of species and will inevitably do for all species". There is no justice in nature. The point isn't that there's no reason we should care about species extinction, but that any reason we come up with, (of which there are plenty, moral and practical), inevitably acknowledges a special role for humans. We're not the first species to drive others to extinction, or even (potentially) to extinct most, but we're the first to know we're doing it, or care, let alone feel guilty about it. And that, to my mind, kind of tempers any misanthropic reading.

The other option, of course, is to view humans as just another species doing whatever it does.

I think I get your point a little better, (and if I understand correctly, you don't personally feel we should be accelerating the decline of biodiversity if we can take steps to mitigate our impact) but I do think "well, everything will be extinct someday" is pretty lovely justification for not caring. I mean, taking that logic to the extreme, why care about anything? I mean, eventually nothing will exist due to entropy, so what does anything matter? Those kinds of ideas can go a long way toward justifying horrific behavior.

# ¿ Apr 9, 2018 19:29

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Gunshow Poophole posted:

This is a wildly chauvinistic fear, as soon as humans are gone the planet will re-regulate itself rapidly. The species diversity might not be there because we did a drat good job of destroying it, but even in the purported hell earth there'll just be new biomes established in a geological blink of an eye.

You are objectively correct but I bet they were more interested in whether there would still be puppies or kittens left, not whether or not we'd have twenty-seven new types of yey even hardier mosquitoes post humanity. Sadly, there will be no more puppies and kittens, beyond any saved in the ultrarich ark zones or whatever is left.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2018 05:12

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Accretionist posted:

Owns.

Nicotine-based pesticides (neonicotinoids) have been confirmed. In the past couple years, some large-scale studies confirmed it and the EU's already moved forward on bans.

Article: EU agrees total ban on bee-harming pesticides
Byline: The world�s most widely used insecticides will be banned from all fields within six months, to protect both wild and honeybees that are vital to crop pollination
From: The Guardian
Date: 2018 APR 27

The US will respond by mandating the use of neonicotinoids on all US farms. Take that, Europe!

# ¿ Aug 8, 2018 16:56

Professor Beetus: Apr 12, 2007; They can fight us
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If we even have ancestors who will be educated enough to know what we were up to right now 2-300 years in the future they will look upon us as horrific and terrifying wastrels and we will probably all be as vilified as say slave owners of the Antebellum period.

It's more likely that our heinous lack of action wrt to climate change will be forgotten or glossed over by people too embarrassed to admit our complicity.

# ¿ Aug 18, 2018 20:08

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Evil_Greven posted:

OOOC interpreted it correctly. There are many sources of ammonia, such as those examples. The hard part is getting hydrogen, though it can be done rather efficiently from natural gas.

Hydrogen is indeed mostly from fossil fuels, but this is different than burning fossil fuels. The carbon emissions from steam reforming are easily captured, and are sold for other applications.

He reminds me of my denier dad who likes to point out that kayaks are made from oil so you liberal people concerned about climate change should be worried about the carbon footprint of your kayak!!!! Meanwhile driving my motorhome and my stupid Jeep and my big loving pointless truck all over the place is totally the same thing as your kayak so don't preach at me!

# ¿ Aug 19, 2018 18:41

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Accretionist posted:

Proof-of-concept:

Article: Cat Serial Killer Strikes Again In Thurston County

Supplemental reading:

Article: Propaganda of the deed

You're a gross rear end in a top hat fyi

# ¿ Aug 21, 2018 05:01

Professor Beetus: Apr 12, 2007; They can fight us
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OOCC is a loving moron but it's not the cats' fault that he personally supersized his carbon meals to pet them everywhere in the worls.

# ¿ Aug 21, 2018 05:17

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Accretionist posted:

It passes the OOCC test.

Edit: btw, my theory's a birder

Whoever it is is a piece of poo poo and it's a shame that whatever laws they might eventually be subject to will be paltry compared to what he or she deserves.

It's a pretty good reminder to keep your loving cats inside though, and hey it's better for birds too.

Also gently caress off with that poo poo. Just because cats do what's in their nature doesn't mean they should be tortured and killed in a heinously painful manner.

# ¿ Aug 21, 2018 05:21

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HonorableTB posted:

I have just finished reading this entire thread, all 370 pages of it, over the course of the last week.

I should not have done that. If I had a gun I'd top myself right the gently caress now.

That's not really the ideal way to read this thread man.

# ¿ Aug 28, 2018 02:09

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StabbinHobo posted:

amazing how americans always manage to make it about themselves and their feelings, how sad they are about the awful things they're doing

just like with the vietnam/iraq war movies

Yeah only Americans feel sad about a massive existential problem that they have little to no personal control over. What selfish assholes.

# ¿ Oct 16, 2018 19:57

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StabbinHobo posted:

this is the new denial, the lie that the traitors will repeat over and over

you can reduce your footprint by half with simple common lifestyle changes. the *other* half will have to come from systemic change.

every ton matters

Try like 95 percent needs to come from systemic changes. Individual account actions don't do poo poo except make those privileged enough to make them feel better about themselves.

# ¿ Oct 16, 2018 20:42

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Ras Het posted:

Nothing has ever been achieved by example

Yeah I feel like the example method is doing great! For instance I started driving an electric vehicle and it pissed my denier dad off SO much that he modified his truck for rolling coal.

# ¿ Oct 16, 2018 20:56

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StabbinHobo posted:

this is categorically false, gently caress you for literally going out of your way to be counterproductive with dumb lies (presumably you're mostly lying to yourself but it doesnt matter).

Lol nope. I've already done the single biggest thing I could ever hope to accomplish for the good of the planet by committing to nothaving children. The beef industry will not be halted by my personal decision to not eat burgers, we'd pretty much need martial law in this country to do anything about that. You really thunk you can set an example for others in a stupid loving country that elected Donald Trump president?

# ¿ Oct 17, 2018 00:02

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davebo posted:

Yeah tell that poo poo to my wife. I was fine with adoption but she wanted to spend gobs of money on ivf to science us up a natural baby, but I figured one new baby is still negative population growth. We made a deal that if we want a second child we have to adopt, which was easy to agree to with the pain the rear end ivf has been.

I fully realize that the carbon footprint of making a human will not be offset by me eating veggie burgers and leaving the house thermostat at 64 (66 between 6:30pm and midnight) degrees most of the time, which btw I won't be allowed to do with an infant in the house. There's just something about living an opulent wasteful American lifestyle that feels justified as long as you're always slightly uncomfortable in your own home. What temperature do you all set your thermostats at?

I know you've shared this before but God drat. I'd sooner divorce then deal with someone with such pathological narcissism that they had to push through the boondoggle of ivf because they just had to have a natural baby than adopt. What a gross attitude to have.

e: My thermostat is set to 64 at all times.

# ¿ Oct 24, 2018 17:09

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Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Here is the German cat at pee pees cat Cafe as demanded.

I can post a picture confirming I petted it in a few days when I get to a computer and can hook up my camera.

(Berlin is a shockingly cat free City! In two days I haven't seen any naturally. )

Having never been to a cat cafe but speaking as a person that has had lots of cats throughout his life: how much did it smell like cat piss in there?

Also I have a friend that lives in Germany and apparently there are very few stray cats and dogs because Germans are very proactive with animal welfare/shelters. According to her anyway.

# ¿ Oct 26, 2018 20:45

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Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Pee pees only had two cats total. So it's very low cat smell. Ironically.

Two cats? Sounds like they need to get Kiryu Kazama to come to Germany.

# ¿ Oct 27, 2018 00:13

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AceOfFlames posted:

I don't get this line of thinking. Allow me to explain further.

When I was a kid I thought I was going to change the world and contribute to scientific progress. Then I learn that collapse is imminent. I keep hearing things like "live your life", "keep fighting and don't stop" or "spend time with the people you love" but I don't see how I can accomplish any of them with a time limit for human civilization ticking on.

"Live your life": I don't have a lot of hobbies. I like the occasional video game, I like reading, I like staying informed about current events, I like discussing deep ideas. All of those will be rendered irrelevant when climate change rolls around. All deep ideas will be forgotten in favor of "hey the bandits are coming" and "the weather might not be poo poo enough to allow us to grow crops". I despise all sports.

"Keep fighting the good fight": I don't fight battles I know I will lose. I don't understand the usefulness of a moral victory. I don't believe in any God and thus in my view, we will all simply have our consciousness end no matter what we do. If any God exists and decides that I should be punished for "cowardice", "inaction" or otherwise failing a test I never consented to taking, They are not a God worth worshipping.

"Spend time with the people you love": I was heavily ostracized as a child and thus never learned how to make friends. All friends I have are people who befriended me and they have been slowly moving away since we live in separate countries. My parents are heavily controlling and will likely die before the real bad things happen. If I were to acquire any additional relationships, they would be additional liabilities: people who could either abandon or betray me. Even if they don't do either, they are people I would have to defend from the approaching horrors.

I am currently in therapy but any time I mention subjects such as this or the rise of fascism, I get a clearly rehearsed response of "We are not here to talk about the 'content' of the causes of your problems. What matters is the 'process' in which you deal with them". What am I supposed to do differently then?

You need to be better about listening to your therapist. The truth is that you are probably pretty unlikely to be eaten by raiders in your lifetime if you currently live in the developed world.

Also, I am not a therapist, but it really does sound like the externalities (climate change, fascism) are things that you have latched on to and attached to your already existing mental health issues. You should probably request a permaban from these forums and stop spending any of your leisure time online if you can't resist putting your hand on the stove.

# ¿ Oct 28, 2018 18:57

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AceOfFlames posted:

A permaban would just make things worse. This is the only place where I can talk about this sort of thing. Where else am I going to go?

I know I bother a lot of people here, but at least here I feel like I don't get dismissed right out of hand. Heck, that Deep Adaptation paper even mentioned people fearing mentioning these views would invite ostracism. I certainly cannot talk about this IRL.

I do not agree with your assessment given that based on your conversations here you tend to ignore the advice and recommendations of people who are much more well-informed than you. If you just need a place to vent you could go poo poo up e/n but really I think not being online so much would be better for your mental health. Lift weights, cook food, gently caress, take walks, get a hobby that doesn't involve consuming media, basically anything besides getting online and reading about how things are hosed.

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# ¿ May 17, 2024 01:43

Professor Beetus: Apr 12, 2007; They can fight us
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How are u posted:

What must it feel like to be a teen or in your early 20s right now? I imagine it must be infuriating, just incredibly maddening to watch your future burning up into ash.

I'm in my early 30s and I just feel tired. I'm sad about it but the world sucks enough and I've seen it poo poo on people enough that I can't find it in myself to get truly, passionately furious. Just waiting for the end to come.

But if I were young again I imagine I'd feel entirely different.

I'm in my mid-30s and assuming you live in a place like the US or Canada or Western Europe you're probably going to live long enough to see your future turn to ash also.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2018 18:09

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