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Car Hater
May 7, 2007

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Mandatory shower limiters

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Car Hater
May 7, 2007

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StabbinHobo posted:

yes yes yes we need to deal with meat but holy gently caress is it wierd how its everyones #1 go to example

START WITH CARS SOLVE CARS

In before someone points to the shipping emissions outweighing cars. (Limit that too, duh)

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

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Go harass your politicians, especially those running for higher office right now. Idk if it will make a difference but telling someone with the power to do something that we should be in a state of emergency feels moderately better than nothing.

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

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You can't land a battery-powered jetliner, biofuels are a waste of potentially sequestered carbon, planes die or we die, nbd.

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

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I just want to ban nonviable technologies that can't be decoupled from liquid fuels.

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May 7, 2007

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Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Also why treat science like it's magic? ... inventing new chemistry...

:ironicat:

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

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You treat science like it's a magic carpet to take you to a land of increased consumption without a concurrent increase in resource degradation, and apparently refuse to acknowledge that certain technologies cannot be made viable with the same functionality as their fossil-fuel powered equivalents.

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

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Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Why treat fossil fuel like it's mystic and we need to be all afraid of moving away? Countries moved from coal to nuclear and didn't all have to suffer and cry, you can buy a hybrid prius and get double the mpg in a perfectly normal car, or even buy an electric car as they come to market. People have flown planes on biofuel.

Give up the idea that fossil fuels are magic and the only way things can be done and that everything else is inherently worse. Things have other solutions. I'm sure you can find some dumb niche thing where oil is the one and only physically possible way and that oil has to be drawn from the ground but the idea that fossil fuel is some super special thing that never can be replaced is pure propaganda. Places have nuclear power right now and it's not some nightmare poverty thing where everyone self sacrifices about how bad it is because they can't have their superior coal plants.

Uranium has a greater energy density than coal, it's a no-brainer.

Not all things have other engineerable solutions, particularly airplanes. As-is we have to reforest an area the size of Australia to survive this century, you're going to starve people to get the biofuels for jumbo jets? Electric cars are an excuse to keep having cars despite them being the worst thing we've ever done, and long range electric passenger planes are not a viable technology.

Fossil fuels are super loving special, not in an emotional or propaganda sense, just basic science.

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Car Hater
May 7, 2007

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AceOfFlames posted:


The only thing that used to give my life meaning is technology and advancing technological and scientific progress but now the world has seemingly conspired to mock it by showing how it can get corrupted to make people's lives worse, so I don't even have that.

I think this is where you're wrong/what you need to fix. Emotionally re-assign technological development to be a bad thing that has only ever enhanced a particularly rapacious ape's capacity to consume the world and you'll be more able to motivate yourself in righteous, pointless struggle against it

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