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stephenfry
Nov 3, 2009

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And this (all the posts so far on this page) is why I find things like this self-congratulatory technocracy annoying -- the solution can't be the admittedly neat tricks our best engineers can pull, those are just fixing a fraction of the symptoms at best. We need fundamental change in how our systems of administration and economics work. We need to reward totally different kinds of behavior and have totally different incentives.

There's going to be no selling "hey, developing countries, switch off a large fraction of your industry yesterday and we'll try to install recent model nuclear power in your vicinity so you can stop contributing to the environmental catastrophe we in the developed west have predominantly caused" with cheery guitar strumming and neat production values.

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stephenfry
Nov 3, 2009

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Liberal_L33t posted:

Veganism isn't necessary, which is good, because large portions of the world would probably rather die than embrace it. Also animal byproducts are of vital importance to other industries. If the cost of traditional sources of meat is pushed high enough and more efficient sources of animal protein fill in the gaps (crickets, krill, etc.) the damaging impact of the current meat industry can be attenuated without undue disruption to other industries that depend on it. People will like burgers made of processed cricket meat just fine once they get used to them. Soy also makes for good substitutes but shouldn't be overused due to the danger of causing allergies.

In any case, I can understand geoengineering being scary and it should be practiced as cautiously as possible. But the alternative - that is, asking humanity to abandon an industrialized lifestyle and go back to the hellish nightmare of non-mechanized subsistence agriculture - is a complete non-starter. A hypothetical 2500 C.E. which looks like the historical 1500 C.E. is equally undesirable to a 2500 C.E. where humanity is extinct.
is that the alternative? do you mean to imply the sole alternative? It remains possible for us to remake our civilization with a greater focus on conservation

stephenfry
Nov 3, 2009

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Honj Steak posted:

Actually I would like to taste a cricket burger right now.

they're kind of chickeny but zesty. I made cricket patties once.

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