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Doopliss
Nov 3, 2012

blowfish posted:

Basically "all countries recognise it is a serious problem and plan to eventually have a coherent idea of what to do about it" is where climate conferences should have been a decade or two ago so this is just slow progress like in every other area of politics.
There were some extremely binding, fast multinational instruments in dealing with the ozone layer, with economic well-being taking a distant back seat. Granted our dependence on ozone-depleting emissions was way lower than our dependence on GHG emissions, but it was wholly possible for us to be doing better than we are. We're just not.

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You folks are so brainwashed you are litteraly begging your globalist overlords to force you to reduce your living standards and tax you into oblivion. Its disgusting how the radical far left has hijacked the green movement to push their sick and twisted authoritarian communist anti human agenda.
GBS is right at the top of the forum list. :colbert:

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Doopliss
Nov 3, 2012

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hydroelectric is literally the most environmentally destructive way to get electricity there is. but somehow mass destruction of habitats is cool because the alternative is atoms
Hydroelectric is really bad for greenhouse gases too, since reservoirs wind up emitting an amount of methane on par with fossil fuels. It's sort of bizarre, which is probably why it took people so long to realize, but I guess reality never promised to intuitively make sense.

Doopliss
Nov 3, 2012

Paradoxish posted:

There aren't any historical examples of global crises requiring global action at all. Climate change is a legitimately unique event in human history, even if it does essentially boil to a very large scale tragedy of the commons problem.
The ozone crisis from a while back actually saw a massive multilateral effort to cut back on ozone-depleting substances. The treaties are still in effect to this day, and included quite a few economic sacrifices for the countries more dependent on them (with treaty terms to make it easier on them). Naturally it's not nearly as big a dependence as co2-emissions, but it's not unheard of.

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