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Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

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Goon project: Convince Donald Trump to do something extreme about telemarketers. It'd be a huge populist bipartisan win for him and I'm getting like a dozen calls a day about my car's warranty.

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Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

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Wow sorry, I post in this thread like once a week with a post meant for the trump thread. I really like reading climate news but I guess I'm actually bad at the mechanics of posting.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

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Bates posted:

Oil contains more carbon than trees so let's just buy that and sequester it in the oceans.

It's true; the most efficient way to capture carbon is to buy oil and hide it deep in a cave somewhere. It's probably 10 times as efficient as using trees.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

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Trabisnikof posted:

Nah it will just be all about digital consumer culture instead.

Nah, possessions will replace humans entirely. We already have robots that make consumer goods, and work in factories. All we need to do is pay them for their labor and have them programmed to buy poo poo, and then capitalism can do away with the most inefficient moving part.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

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You're quite the optimist if you think there will be anyone funding climate research during Trump's 2nd and 3rd term.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

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Further more, presidents are only allowed to serve 2 terms, and it's highly unlikely that the funding for research would be zero dollars.

Salt Fish fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Oct 21, 2017

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

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WaryWarren posted:

sportsball

Mom, I asked you; please stop posting here it's embarrassing for me.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

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When I read about breathing impairment due to co2 levels I get a psychosomatic sense that it's harder to breath right now.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

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Mozi posted:

There is a difference between preventing famine and allowing for exponential population growth.

The ideal human world is a giant pile of bodies unable to move due to space constraints but somehow getting exactly enough nourishment to survive and reproduce.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

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Bringing sentient life into the collapsing world that gave us President Donald Trump might not be the best thing to do. A healthy and well adjusted person can figure out how to have a happy life without some illusion that you're going to be immortal by spaying your DNA up inside someone. Plus, if you want to take care of someone you can still do that by adopting!

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

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In order to understand Global Warming we must first understand the Emoji. What is an Emoji? Webster's dictionary defines emoji as "any of various small images, symbols, or icons used ... to express the emotional attitude of the writer". First conceived in 1999 by Shigetaka Kurita the emoji arrived on a planet already polluted by a century of industrial carbon dioxide emissions.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

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Oh sorry, I was just working on my doctoral thesis, meant to save it to a word doc hold on still getting used to this mac

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

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I mean both you don't need lithium ion batteries for power storage on a grid scale and EROI is a loving weird metric for measuring a property of batteries.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

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ChairMaster posted:

the best things you can do to lower your impact on the environment are

This would be worse if individual action was worth anything anyways

Ok, so overall your goal here is just to be mad at everyone regardless of any particulars.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

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Owlofcreamcheese posted:

The "gently caress the earth"/"trigger libs" thing is definitely part of rolling coal but I'm pretty sure people would still do it it the clouds were totally harmless.

It seems like every tinkering based hobby has the thing where you pick some thing that has some effect then tune the thing to do that the most to show off. Like nerds tweeking the memory timings on their computers in ways that would literally never impact the running of any application ever but is "fun" to show off it you are able to get yours more than the next guy. Like I get why it's fun to make a thing you know about do a thing it's not supposed to or do a thing more than someone else's and making the truck exhaust goes crazy seems a lot less obscure than like computer enthusiast stuff that I've done. If it was just black clouds of harmless steam or something I think they'd still do it just as much, the "gently caress the earth" stuff is just extra for people telling them not to do it.

It would be less expensive and less harmful to the engine to rig up a smoke machine that uses glycol/water mix to actually release harmless steam. Obviously it goes without saying that you would be made fun by everyone on both sides if you did this.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

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Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Of course, I think people just overplay the "people do it because they HATE EARTH" or whatever, when it seems like it falls in line with the dumb stuff people do in every hobby and the hurting earth stuff is just an additional layer.

No, you're wrong and they deserve death. Look, there are people that buy different engine parts and tool around to get the most horse power, and they take their trucks to tractor pulls and compete. If these purpose built trucks spew extra Co2 or soot at the tractor pull nobody thinks twice about it. This shows that your analogy is wrong because there is something fundamentally different between tractor pull trucks or truck racing and rolling coal. The difference is that coal rollers are doing it to be assholes and they're competing with each other to see who can be the biggest public nuisance.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

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KingFisher posted:

Greed is good, the only way we will solve climate change is if the solution is aligned with human greed, pride, vanity and selfishness. If your hope for our survival is in the perfectibility of man we will all die.

If you would have read any post in this thread, or the last thread, or the one before that, you'd know everyone here already realizes we're doomed.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

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Koirhor posted:

IMO this is the answer to the Fermi paradox

Sorry, it's actually that any species intelligent enough to travel between systems is also intelligent enough to understand that endless reproduction isn't desirable and that continuation of a life is a waste of time and energy. The rational thing to do is embrace entropy and turn yourself into a diffuse cloud of 2.725°K hydrogen gas.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

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Arkane posted:

I'm skeptical we'll reach much higher than 600ppm, if that. Renewables and batteries (storage/electric cars) are getting too good, too quickly for those high-end carbon dioxide scenarios to be realistic anymore.

I've been reading your posts for like 4 years, and you've managed to slide from believing in 0 degrees to posting studies in an attempt to cast doubt on four degrees.

If I take as given that your belief in 2 degrees warming is in good faith, do you have any regrets about your previous positions which ended up being observably wrong?

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

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I propose preemptive carbon sequestration where we take a portion of mined coal and bury it in a mine.

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Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

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Carbon sequestration is such a weird concept to me. I mean think of it like this; you capture carbon dioxide, concentrate it, and then put in in a mine. How is this different from buying barrels of oil and then just putting those in a mine? If we had stores of super-concentrated carbon it would make an excellent fuel source, so wouldn't we just immediately want to burn it again?

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