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Sucrose posted:How is this not a blatant violation of separation of church and state? The Deadstate article appears to be incorrect. The NYT article they are basing it on stated that it was Ellison's family and friends that recommended they send him to Teen Challenges instead of prison. The state only agreed to suspend the proceedings pending completion of the program.
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Beaters posted:I wonder the same thing. If I were the kid's father, I'd be all up for suing those bastards for everything they're worth. Of course if that didn't work out I might resort to good old fashioned all-American violence. Seriously, gently caress those bastards. They did, and the court forced them to enter into arbitration because under Florida law, they could only bring the suit as the executors of his estate, and were bound into the contract he agreed to.
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spoon0042 posted:If "jail time" is the only secular alternative, then yeah it kind of is. the family negotiated a deal with the prosecutor's office to avoid jail time because of a probation violation they were the ones who told the office about teen challenges, based off a family friends recommendation NYT posted:Religion has long been at the center of Pamela Spivey’s life. She taught Sunday school, went to Bible-study camps and watched preachers on television. OJ MIST 2 THE DICK fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Nov 12, 2015 |
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VitalSigns posted:I don't think there should be this weird lawless zone where you get to tell people that you're treating their medical and psychological problems and get their trust and obedience, but you don't have to follow any standards and you get to say "no it's just bible camp lol" when your quack treatments harm them. That's not what happened.
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VitalSigns posted:Right that's why Florida should shut down bible camps that tell kids to pray the gay away, then there can be criminal consequences for doing it and it won't matter that their marketing tricked a layperson into agreeing to forfeit her right to seek redress in the courts and let some fundy kangaroo court make the decisions about liability. The arbitration agreement was three paragraphs on a single page. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/02/business/dealbook/document-nick-ellisons-agreement-with-teen-challenge.html It also wasn't the mother's right to sign away, the deceased was an adult. It wasn't like Uber where it was hidden or added in after the employment contracts were done up.
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