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Howard Phillips
May 4, 2008

His smile; it shines in the darkest of depths. There is hope yet.
Anyone have experience with Space A travel while on terminal leave?

Are you allowed to keep your CAC while on terminal so that you can continue to use AD benefits until the last of your service?

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Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
You don't have to turn in your CAC until your last day, technically.

JacksLibido
Jul 21, 2004

Buca di Bepis posted:

My application to a distance learning master's program (AFIT) got rejected, and the admissions department said I should reapply after taking 1 Math and 2 Quantitative Engineering courses. I'm trying not to get too bummed about this, but I have no idea how to actually take for-credit online courses from a real school. My travel and work schedules here won't reasonably allow me to take a semester in person at a local school. Can anyone help me get a start?

I took classes at the University of North Dakota. I don't know if your engineering courses will require labs, but if they do they're held in 2 week sessions over the summer.

JacksLibido
Jul 21, 2004

ElMaligno posted:

I already have a BA in chemistry, so I really don't know if I am able to go for a second BA, a Masters or what I should go for.

Depends on the masters. There are tons of MBA programs that are online only, I got my MBA from Oklahoma State, and I know UofA does an online MBA as well. I think Oklahoma Univ. (not state) does an online engineering masters as well, one of our pilots was getting it in rocketry or something.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Keep in mind if you go online-only, you do not get full BAH. You get half the national average for E-5, which is $8xx/month. If your program is a mix of online and in person, you get the full amount. If you're still on active duty, just :lol: and you get nothing because you already draw BAH.

himurak
Jun 13, 2003

Where was that save the world button again?
How desperate are our armed forces for people? I've posted before and I'll ask again, turning 34 in November have a BS in Accounting and two charges Burgulary / Theft same day adversely adjudicated (pretrial crap) over a decade ago. Can I get in yet?

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Don't.

Edit: The Air Force and Navy have been getting cut for over a decade so they're the opposite of desperate. All services are most desperate for the most lovely jobs. So there's that.

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
At your age unless you can get an OCS contract I wouldn't even bother. Even with an OCS contract 75% of your peers will be 10 years younger than you. It's bad enough for me and I'm only 4-5 years older than my peers and the same age as my commander.

The Army is expanding but seriously being a private/specialist at your age will be living hell. Your team leaders will be in their early to mid 20's and your squad leaders in their mid to late 20's.

Unless you somehow have literally no future besides enlisting in the military than go find something else to do for a living.

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde

himurak posted:

How desperate are our armed forces for people? I've posted before and I'll ask again, turning 34 in November have a BS in Accounting and two charges Burgulary / Theft same day adversely adjudicated (pretrial crap) over a decade ago. Can I get in yet?

you can join the army but have to ship to basic before your 35th birthday. Charges could play a role but are probably fine IDK.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Also, I commissioned at 24 and was the 3rd oldest in my training class, behind a former Army NG captain in his 40s and a guy who broke his leg or something and got washed back more than a year. Everyone else was 22. So enjoy being the grandpa. It'll be far worse if you enlist, which is probably the worst decision you could make.

What do you actually want to do?

tyler
Jun 2, 2014

Enlist infantry. You will love it. We had a 40 year old who I'm guessing got a waver. 40 year old privates are natural born winners.

Aranan
May 21, 2007

Release the Kraken
Enlisting with a degree is often the wrong decision, but sometimes it works.

I enlisted at 29 with a BA in English (after spending 2 years as an engineering major), mostly because I wanted to change careers and get back into some type of technology field. I did my research for the various branches and my options and wound up looking at Navy OCS and Army enlistment because for both of those options, you can choose your field. I tried Navy OCS first, but after nearly a year of working with my recruiter, I had hit the age cutoff for what I wanted. Then I went to the army recruiters with a shirt list of 3 jobs I was interested in. Managed to get my top choice, got the training, did my contract, and now I'm getting out and entering into a career field that interests me and pays way better than my last one.

I don't know if it's an atypical success story, but since I know you'll get a ton of people here telling you not to do it, I thought I'd share.

Keep in mind that it's full of suck and idiots and you may very well hate your life while in. I did quite often.

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde

Nostalgia4Murder posted:

Enlist infantry. You will love it. We had a 40 year old who I'm guessing got a waver. 40 year old privates are natural born winners.

there were waivers for up to 42 years old during the height of Iraq war.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
My AIT PSG offered this guidance: if you are not too dumb, but you are old, enlist in one of the short combat OSUT MOSes. "It's all gonna be dumb anyway, so search for the shortest time in the training".

I have no idea if that's good advice or not. Medic AIT has been hella long and really loving dumb.

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
That is horrible advice. Why would anyone want to be an old fart combat arms private

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
If your knees are on their way out and you want to get paid for it.

Aranan
May 21, 2007

Release the Kraken
That is awful advice if you don't want to do combat arms. My AIT was almost a year long. Yes, TRADOC sucked but that's a lovely way to pick a job.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

there were waivers for up to 42 years old during the height of Iraq war.

And we got 42 year old dudes too. Those were some dire mother fuckers.

tyler
Jun 2, 2014

Mustang posted:

That is horrible advice. Why would anyone want to be an old fart combat arms private

:thejoke:

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Yeah doing it in the Navy Reserves is much better!

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
I was 20 when I was in basic and there was a 32ish year old dude there and was like what the gently caress is this dude doing here. In retrospect that dude was pretty bad rear end and better than I was but it seemed crazy at the time.

himurak
Jun 13, 2003

Where was that save the world button again?

Godholio posted:

Also, I commissioned at 24 and was the 3rd oldest in my training class, behind a former Army NG captain in his 40s and a guy who broke his leg or something and got washed back more than a year. Everyone else was 22. So enjoy being the grandpa. It'll be far worse if you enlist, which is probably the worst decision you could make.

What do you actually want to do?

I'd love 74A, but am open to the enlisting side 74D ideally. At this point I'm not terribly picky. Civilian life is lovely so I might as well get a pension in 20 for the suck. Intel, signals, diver, and network warfare are all on my radar.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Jesus gently caress, don't enlist with a degree. There is almost no situation where that's the right answer. I don't know anything about that job specifically, but when you've got the same career field on both sides, GO WITH THE ONE THAT PAYS ALMOST 100K/YEAR AFTER 5-6 YEARS, not the one that REQUIRES YOU TO LIVE IN loving BARRACKS FOR THE FIRST 2-5.

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde

himurak posted:

I'd love 74A, but am open to the enlisting side 74D ideally. At this point I'm not terribly picky. Civilian life is lovely so I might as well get a pension in 20 for the suck. Intel, signals, diver, and network warfare are all on my radar.

jfc as a former 74D don't do 74D

you have a 90% chance that you'll be washing tanks with a mop in a chem suit for like 24 hour shifts dude

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Just don't enlist.

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

Vahakyla posted:

Just don't enlist.

LOL

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

himurak posted:

I'd love 74A, but am open to the enlisting side 74D ideally. At this point I'm not terribly picky. Civilian life is lovely so I might as well get a pension in 20 for the suck. Intel, signals, diver, and network warfare are all on my radar.

I'd pay a pension to not have to be around signal corps people ever again. No hesitation.

himurak
Jun 13, 2003

Where was that save the world button again?
I'm full on retard so not going in isn't on my radar. I've literally been trying for years, so recommend me some Army (figuring that's the most likely one to take me) jobs that you all would rather be doing. Obviously officer takes preference.

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
Do something in the 15 series. Aviation.

tyler
Jun 2, 2014

There are only 2 jobs; infantry and pog bitches.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

himurak posted:

I'm full on retard so not going in isn't on my radar. I've literally been trying for years, so recommend me some Army (figuring that's the most likely one to take me) jobs that you all would rather be doing. Obviously officer takes preference.

Quoting for posterity and hilarity.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Don't enlist.

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

Vahakyla posted:

Don't enlist.

LOL

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?

himurak posted:

I'm full on retard so not going in isn't on my radar. I've literally been trying for years, so recommend me some Army (figuring that's the most likely one to take me) jobs that you all would rather be doing. Obviously officer takes preference.

Air Force

Aranan
May 21, 2007

Release the Kraken
What do you want to do? Is the army a stepping stone to something else? Do you want it to be a career?

Lol doesn't matter. Most of the guys I knew who want to 1-term it are reupping now and the ones who were doing it as a retirement career option have left or got kicked out for being broken.

But seriously, just going "hey I'm a gently caress up I guess I should join the military" isn't going to help you.

Have a plan. Do some research. Go to a recruiter with a short list of MOSs.

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
have you spoken with a recruiter to see if you meet the basic qualifications anyhow? I'd do that before you get some fancy hopeful ideas.

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
Well you're definitely not going to get an OCS contract in the Army, for 2 reasons: Your legal history and then the fact that you're over 30.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Those sound a lot like waivers that might be available very soon.

himurak
Jun 13, 2003

Where was that save the world button again?
Yea I have been running every week with the local recruiters for about 6 years now. I'm qualified in every way except the legal stuff so I've been waiting. I think my age has been getting to me creating an artificial pressure to rush into anything. I've always been into electronics and chemicals, EoD has always been number 1 on my list.

Like I said though I'm willing to negotiate for other things that interest me, like Intel, signal, and CBRN. I know most of it is poo poo work, but I do poo poo work now with no long term prospects even close to on the horizon.

Tax season is nice, but it doesn't even pay all the bills. I want a long term career option that has some sort of future in it. I already was raised by a Marine, who was raised by Navy, who was raised by Air Force so I get the poo poo show that can, and usually does happen.

I've always had a sense of commitment, just figured it out much later in life than I should have. I can't say I've always wanted to serve blah blah blah I figured it out about 12 years ago and have been trying since. I hosed up in my past and have been moving forward since and I get that.

Why do I want to do this? Probably because I'm not raised like everyone else and I understand that sacrifices have to be made in order to enable people to have the opportunities I feel they should have. I'm willing to make those sacrifices and a lot of people around me don't get it, but they all support me in my decision to do so.

Now you want dead honesty on the Internet there you go. I'm willing to die to even give the slightest chance someone else can get a opportunity they never would have before. Some people are just better tools for fighting, and I have no other way of putting it.

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CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
seriously don't do chemical, I'm telling you. its 90% chance you're running a literal carwash with mops. You learn some cool stuff every once in awhile but no, don't, please.

and it promotes like poo poo and is constantly being downsized and pushed off to reserve/guard units

edit: CM officers are some of the worst officers in the US Army too, it's probably the least desirable designation you can get, which means it's like the people dead last in their ROTC program and poo poo. The absolute worst.

edit2: I switched to recruiting which universally reviled as being AWFUL poo poo because it was an improvement over continuing with the chemical corps

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