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Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:
My first assumption was that she saw Lyndon killing her and she's just a really good liar.

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Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:
If the demon possesses somebody until they die and then goes away, I wonder how they found out about it. Klara didn't point it out so I assume there's no visual cue.
(Also, "will possessed you," nice job language cultists)

Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:
So I guess most demons are perfectly nice sadists.

Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:
Good beat panel.

Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:
So wait, if he's willing to murder people to eliminate his political opponents, why didn't he start with, you know, his political opponents?

Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:
Seems pretty easy to kill someone with illusions. Trick them into walking off a cliff, trick them into drinking poison, hide someone coming to stab them, etc.

Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:

Whybird posted:

Yeah, I think the muggers just use the names and vocabulary of the people they've stolen for convenience, but that's all. Trixie's mugger isn't advocating socialism because it believes in it -- it's advocating socialism because it has access to Trixie's knowledge of political theory and knows how to use it to bring down a tyrant.

If that's how it is, I wonder if Lyndon will still know his spell once he's free of the mugger.

Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:
I'm excited for the impossible ones to turn out to be a bunch of normal human conmen.

e: and possibly ninjas.

Eeevil fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Mar 6, 2018

Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:
I want Audrey to pull the bear zombie onto the frog's sword somehow, but it seems unlikely since the human zombie was just holding her with one hand.

Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:
So if Trixie drops out they're screwed, right?

Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:
I hope Audrey finds some way to retain her memory after we jump back in time so she can stop Zoozo from dying. Maybe she can stab Lyndon to death while listing all the bad stuff that he needs to prevent.

Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:
Why didn't whatever it is effect the sun? I just checked, and there's daylight out the window in comic 370. Maybe whatever it is hasn't reached the sun yet, but every other star seemed to disappear simultaneously.

Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:

vyelkin posted:

I think what happened is this:

1) the Ambassador gets the scepter and does all his experiments without telling anyone else. No one else knows how the scepter works so everything continues as normal, and the Ambassador is willing to kill himself repeatedly to return to the real world so it makes no difference.
2) once the Ambassador is finished, he has to tell some people about how the scepter works and therefore how he knows so much about the future, so that they can do something about it. This includes the little green dude. Now no one is using the scepter, but they know how it works.
3) when Lyndon touches the scepter, the Skyggemyrians realize that means they're living in a simulation of Lyndon's future. They try to keep him alive out of self-preservation because they suddenly realize that even in a simulation, they're still conscious, living, breathing representations of themselves, and they don't want to die.

Clearly the point isn't to stop anyone from learning anything to the point of self-sacrifice, otherwise they would have just killed Lyndon to stop him from learning anything. I think the isolation is mostly to keep Lyndon alive so they themselves stay alive. Hence not just isolating him away from the world and telling him non-stressful lies about it, but also the exercise and healthy eating and everything.

What's really funny to me is that the knowledge that they're in a simulation is affecting the results of the simulation. If the Skyggemyrians didn't know they were in a simulation they wouldn't be keeping Lyndon alive like this, and so his eventual death would be completely different. The scepter only works if no one knows how it works.

But the ambassador was the first person to protect him.

Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:

DACK FAYDEN posted:

lol at "Barbara wins in every universe, oops, she played herself"

although I do wonder how it's random candidates, given the ridiculously specific way her scheme backfired, I guess it was mostly random who won the actual vote so she'd have to use different schemes every time

The scheme was suggested by the vice president. Assuming that guy wasn't sent by the ambassador, the chances of her finding an actually competent vice president have got to be insanely low.

Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:

uvar posted:

I went back and checked and Lyndon does call it a simulation, but still - I feel like focusing on that term is missing the point because it implies it's inferior. As far as we can tell it's a perfect copy of a sphere around the local solar system, and it's not the original but it's basically just as valid, and the Ambassador reasonably wants it to continue in the same way that I would want to prevent somebody ending the existence of me and everything else if I knew they could and might actually do it.

It is effectively a doomed world regardless. But it's like in all kinds of media (well, mostly SF & fantasy) where somebody gets duplicated; you shouldn't just murder one of them and call it a day.

But to say it's a duplicate would imply that both it and the original can exist simultaneously, which isn't the case. The people of the simulated world aren't actually going to cease to exist when it ends; they'll just go back to living their original lives, which they can't do while the simulation is running. Besides, nothing about the way the sceptre works seems to imply that the simulated world exists anywhere except inside the sceptre toucher's mind.

Eeevil fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Aug 27, 2019

Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:

Android Blues posted:

It seems very much as though the opposite is true. The original world is "waiting" for the result of the simulation, but the simulated people will absolutely cease to exist once the simulation ends, along with everything in their reality. They won't go back to being those other people - they're separate entities who exist with the parameters and memories of those other people. When the simulation ends, they'll die.

If you wake up from a dream, does the version of you from the dream die? Or, if your mom was in the dream, would you say that waking up killed a version of your mom?

Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:
But they're still just a simulation of what the actual people would do. They aren't a separate entity - they're an extrapolation based on data, the same as the light from the stars. The sceptre just has more data than people's minds. When the vision ends, those original people won't have memory of what happened, but they won't have lost anything.

Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:
Well, I don't believe that we do.

Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:

Apocron posted:

I guess this is the crux of the problem.

http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/424

Anyone want to figure out how they solve it?

Once they're in a position to see him touching the sceptre, their simulated selves need to figure out that the sceptre didn't actually fail and then switch to a different plan to hide their real-life plan.

Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:
The good news is that if this fails, they'll probably know in advance(because of the shouting) and still have multiple plans to try to conceal in other ways.

Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:
It's a good thing Klara is such a convincing liar.

Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:
I doubt Barbara and her crew are just going to give up on being in power and wait until the next election.

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Eeevil
Oct 28, 2010

Well obviously he didn't see it, or he'd be wearing a hardhat :colbert:
Reverting someone to an earlier point in their life is not the same as killing them.

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