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Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

:gizz:

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Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Shaggar posted:

funding has nothing to do with it. they expanded the downeaster recently and they're gonna expand it more. the problem is the train litterrrallly cannot get up to speed because it stops every 12 miles. that's not hyperbole, that's how it works. if you got rid of all stops between Portland and boston then you'd get there faster than a car and that would be great and would require 0 new infrastructure.

lol at defending the state of the northeast corridor with its 100 year old narrow tunnels everywhere

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

the dc metro has had cdma voice in its tunnels dating back to the bell atlantic mobile days

they havent upgraded it since, still get janky 1x in the tunnels with verizon




you do get lte with most carriers in most stations though

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Internaut! posted:

transit's for poors and also millennials which is redundant

*sits in traffic for 2 hours to go 20 miles*

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Larry Parrish posted:

Technically you can take the train from San Francisco to Sacramento. However even in the worst rush hour traffic on Friday at 3PM on I-80, you'll probably beat the train because you have to change tracks and poo poo and google says it would take like 16 hours.

the train from sacramento to emeryville is like 1.5 hours, ive had friends do it before

but then you gotta take a bus or BART from there to downtown SF

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Jimmy Carter posted:

The way that they're doing the project is actually pretty smart given the decrepit condition of the system as a whole. The 'base stations' are in an anonymous server room, then the RF signal gets modulated into fiber and shot down to the individual stations, where they strap boxes to the ceiling that convert it back to RF, so that they don't have to swap out hardware at each station when x-treme 8G LLLTE gets rolled out. They then run fiber down the tunnels to nearby stations, which is why there's cell service at kind-of random stations (e.g. 21st-Van Alst on the G, which is something like the 3rd least used station in the entire system). Gizmodo actually had a pretty good article http://gizmodo.com/inside-the-secret-building-thats-bringing-cell-service-1592846616

NYC originally had 2 different companies and another company owned by NYC building subways, so of course they made different sized trains. The B division (the letter trains) is a merger of one of two of the companies, but the other (A division aka the number trains) had smaller trains and sharper curves so they can't mix and match trains. In the 90's they started implementing a system on the A division which could tell which train was where on the track as opposed to just a light on a board that says THERE IS A TRAIN SOMEWHERE AROUND HERE, however for an unknown reason they didn't bother to actually make it such that the trains could be automated (and thus run closer together). The entire project was, unsurprisingly, years late and massively over-budget.

The B division is still running on tech from the 30's. There are track occupancy sensors, and that's it, all they see is 'there is a train somewhere on this 1000' section of track'. Trains will get to a junction, driver will open a window and push a button with a stick that indicates where they want to go.
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/11/why-dont-we-know-where-all-the-trains-are/415152/
They completely replaced the tracks, signals, switches and switching house out in Carroll Gardens, and it was still the same tech. They automated the L train and that took almost a decade, and it was the shortest line on the system. If you watch the train as it's pulling in, you'll see that the guy driving the train is usually like, reading a book. They tried to get rid of the now-useless conductor in the middle of the train but THE UNION flipped out and it's still there.

To give you an idea of the state of NYC subway tech: even on new trains that theoretically know what station they are pulling into, the conductor opens a window and points to a sign that says OPEN ON THIS SIDE before opening the doors, because there is nothing preventing them from opening them on the wrong side.

:flashfap:

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

transit passes in vienna, austria are around $400/year for residents for combined bus/streetcar/metro usage

it's almost as if, encouraging people to use transit is cool + good

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Beeftweeter posted:

lol in nyc its well over $1200/yr if you buy monthly passes every month

at least there's a pass

if you take the dc metro 5 days a week you could potentially be shelling out $3000/year, there are no discounted fares except for olds and dc students

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

the other cool take-away from those dates: the mta phased out tokens around the time all other transit systems were moving to contactless

1993: mta begins pilot project with swipe cards

1996 - seoul adopts contactless
1999 - shanghai adopts contactless
1999 - rome adopts contactless
2001 - tokyo adopts contactless
2001 - paris adopts contactless
2003 - london adopts contactless

2003: mta finally finishes getting swipe cards deployed

2006 - boston adopts contactless
2007 - mumbai adopts contactless
2007 - los angeles adopts contactless
2010 - san francisco bay area adopts contactless
2010 - mumbai abandons contactless because they hosed it up
2013 - chicago adopts contactless
2013 - moscow adopts contactless
2016 - philadelphia adopts contactless

2020: mta deploys its very first contactless machine, if everything comes in on-time and under-budget (lol)

naturally wikipedia had articles on every contactless system in the world AND tables of their various introduction dates. thanks, wikipedia

somewhere in there: dc + baltimore adopt contactless technology from a company that then goes bankrupt

half the readers are so bad you have to mash your card and rub it around before the reader picks up anything

not to mention the slow as gently caress gates to enter/exit the station that have not been updated since the 70s

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

the dc metro is a funky hybrid of commuter rail and subway

the nyc subway is priced so that the longest rides are the cheapest, because the richest people live at the center and the poorest at the edges. so the edges are implicitly subsidized. with nyc commuter rail, you pay more the further you go, because no poo poo, you're a rich commuting suburbanite, you can afford it.

dc metro is a subway system that uses a commuter rail attitude. they charge people in ways that make pretty much no sense, assuming somehow that the covered area is an undifferentiated mass of people who chose to live closer or further from work

eh, i see you point in a way, the dc metro was primarily designed to get people in and out of dc and does a poor job of getting people around dc itself

but if you look at major metro systems outside the US, where the dc metro is comparable in number of stations or track length (take the Berlin U-bahn) and they manage to be fixed fare no matter what distance, or at least zones

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

so yes, we agree entirely.

the dc metro resembles the U-bahn system more closely than the S-bahn, but retains the zoned S-bahn fare structure. that's kinda messed up.

it is very bad

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

carry on then posted:

the only metro train system i've used is london's, tell me why it's bad

no a/c so in the summer it can get so hot they hand out water bottles so people don't collapse from heat exhaustion

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

lol if bars and clubs cant stay open late enough on friday/saturday nights so you can just catch the train the next morning

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Tatsujin posted:

i like how chicago will charge you extra if and only if you are leaving O'Hare on the Blue line, or if you're going to/from the bears game from the commuter rail station

i like the 500 person deep lines for the 4 ticket machines or whatever at ohare

at least create some express machines that only sell a single use one way ticket or something so people can get the gently caress out of there

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

fart simpson posted:

24 hour subway systems are actually rare though. new york's is the only one i;ve personally seen except for tokyo on new years eve. tokyo doesn't usually run 24h, neither did london or madrid or beijing or hong kong or seoul or singapore or any others i've been to

24 hour subway systems are pointless for most cities

if you live in a non-poo poo city bars can stay open until 4-5 AM so your drunk rear end can just catch the morning train

if for whatever reason you HAVE to get home in a one-off incident between 1-5 AM just take a cab

if youre regularly needing public transportation in the middle of the night your life probably sucks under the boot of capitalism and suicide is the only escape

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Smythe posted:

*metro announcement jingle plays over station PA* the next train to Downtown is arriving in FOUR_HOURS_37_MINUTES

tfw sncf cancels the last two suburban trains and youre stuck at gare du nord

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIMT7JImkHc

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Cygni posted:

night owl service on weekends is Good
last train at 11:40pm on friday night like a lot of US systems is Bad

i agree, last train should be 12:30-1 if you're not gonna do night service, gets the early birds home and gets the late night partiers out to their destinations

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Share Bear posted:

yeah its not like the people running those bars need to go home, they live in the bar, they all have sleeping bags

if the bars in your city that doesn't suck close at 4-5 AM, you aren't leaving until 6 AM minimum and you can catch a morning train just fine?

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

how do the bar employees get to and from the bar?

if public transit closes at 1am, but the bar closes at 4am, how the gently caress is the bar back gonna get there to clean before the morning opening?

you start your shift before public transit closes

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

the dc streetcar is great because for years only the rail infrastructure was paid for without funding for the overhead power lines

also it stops well before union station so you still have to walk quite a distance

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Shaggar posted:

that's because they are

lol shagger!!!!!!!

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

if enough people take the bus there are less cars so there's less traffic busses would need to deal with :xd:

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Shaggar posted:

which would mean it would be better to drive a car which would be faster and more convenient than the bus what with all the reduced traffic

thats when you pull a singapore and make it financially unreasonable to operate a car within major metro areas

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

it would actually own

good public transportation is cool + good





dont worry it wont ever affect people in the middle of nowhere like maine

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolleybus

:flashfap:

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Smythe posted:

oh also it has stops that more resemble a subway stop but theyre above ground. its like a train stop but then the bus comes. its a train bus.

train buses ftw

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Adix posted:

shaggar was white

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Progressive JPEG posted:

Maybe they're aping Paris who also have those

Efb by so demanding

where in paris do they have those?

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

theflyingexecutive posted:

buses are cool at night when there's no traffic

also early morning in cities that arent car centric hellscapes

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Progressive JPEG posted:

Here is the full timetable for the nearest bus to my house (still ~12min away)



samtrans is a joke

there's a bus that goes directly from my apartment to very close to my mother's house

it runs 5 trips a day, only in afternoons, weekdays only

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Progressive JPEG posted:

Wikipedia says lines 1, 4, 6, 11, 14

:drat:

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Cygni posted:

youve also prolly ridden a rubber tire train if youve ever used a train/apm in an airport. most of those systems are rubber tire. they put less wear/tear on their right of way and can be smoother rides, but they arent any cheaper to build and the trains take slightly more maintenance

yeah ive noticed those are

but i had no idea several entire lines of the paris metro were :eyepop:

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Shaggar posted:

sitting on a bus stuck in traffic is most definitely not better than sitting in a car stuck in traffic.

shagger was wrong

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Shaggar posted:

maybe if you like sitting shoulder to shoulder with stinky people a bus is for you. cars are infinitely more comfortable.

lol

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

there's a train museum in tokyo that's really cool

complete with outdoor mini trains for kids that have switching and signaling and everything

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

qirex posted:

I was specifically referring to young able-bodied people who will take an uber 1/3 of a mile from one bar to another

these are the same people that take the elevator 1-2 floors when there's a massive stairwell right next to the elevator

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

minivanmegafun posted:

shitpostin from the cta subway where I get five balls of t-mo LTE.


public transit + tmobile supremacy

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

poutine owns

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Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

at the date posted:

The worst things to put on fries that I have heard of, an exhaustive list:

1. poutine
2. mayonnaise
3. cheese
4. ketchup
5. chili

Acceptable things to put on fries, assuming they are already salted:

1. vinegar, maybe
2. nothing

Fight me if you disagree. God grant victory to the just.

Poutine, mayo and old bay are the best fries toppings (not all together obviously)

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