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I just really don't get how anyone can reconcile the reality that obesity is increasing and the argument that weight is based on factors outside the person's control like genetics. It is certainly true though that we have a lot of misinformation about weight, what works, what doesn't floating around and that vicious shaming is not helpful. But there's a wide gap between "hey maybe you should treat fat people like people" and "lets pretend obesity isn't a health issue and act like it's like being black or being gay". For example, everything in here is simply not true (with the exception of intentional overeating results in weight gain): endlessmonotony posted:We have no evidence eating less works for losing weight. We have substantial evidence of the contrary. We DO have evidence that intentional overeating results in weight gain... that reverses itself as soon as you stop doing it. Meanwhile losing weight by diet and exercise has been clearly debunked repeatedly - it doesn't work on a societal scale, and it barely works on an individual scale - or frequently, it doesn't work at all, thanks to lipases being a bit fidgety. What's actually at issue is that while all of these things work, they're hard to maintain. There's not a lot of follow-through on the habit changing part to make the changes that diet and exercise can make permanent, which is more of a cognitive issue. Fixing obesity will always involve eating less and/or exercising more. It's just that it's not sufficient to just tell people to do that because you need to also work on fixing the underlying habits and other issues that are contributing to that person's base state of food/exercise.
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sweek0 posted:To be fair to them, I do think that long term behavorial change does very much require a change in mindset and that dieting and cutting out food groups entirely rarely leads to lasting change. Yes, but saying things like that just get seized upon as an excuse not to do anything at all. Going on a diet is insufficient for long-term weight loss but it is not ineffective. The problem is you have to do more, not that you can avoid doing anything at all. Someone who says dieting or exercise does not work is wrong, period. Someone who says they are part, but not all, of the solution is correct.
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Nov 23, 2015 19:01
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JFairfax posted:There are occasional fat people who become thin and stay thin, like child rapist Jared whoever of Subway fame. But mostly what happens is that somebody has some kind of health problem, gains enough weight to be “overweight”, and then addresses the problem in some fashion (possibly diet or exercise, possibly medication or removing an allergen or some other thing), and the weight comes back off. lawl this is the best part of that dumb screed "well, if you redefine people who are able to lose weight (child rapists) as people who had a fixable health problem, you will find once you remove those people from the population that the remaining people are unable to lose weight!"
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Nov 23, 2015 19:14
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If you remove the people who were able to run a 5k, you will see our studies of the population of people who have attempted a 5k show that it's impossible.
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Nov 23, 2015 19:15
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MaxxBot posted:Lots of people like to say exercise is useless because of those studies saying that it doesn't result in weight loss, so if your only goal is to weigh a certain amount it might be technically correct. The problem is that most people's goal isn't to weigh a certain amount, it's to look and feel better. I mean it's technically correct in the sense that (a) you can turn fat into muscle without a corresponding weight loss and (b) that when you start exercising your appetite goes up so you tend to eat more to counteract the increased calorie burn. But it's part of the basic thermodynamic equation of calories taken in vs. calories burned. It works, but there are those two issues in real-world applications of "just run some more". But the phrasing of "it doesn't work" is just rephrasing a more complicated response in a way to justify doing nothing.
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