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Bruegels Fuckbooks
Sep 14, 2004

Now, listen - I know the two of you are very different from each other in a lot of ways, but you have to understand that as far as Grandpa's concerned, you're both pieces of shit! Yeah. I can prove it mathematically.

smackfu posted:

I saw a horrifying view of the future in a Reddit question the other day:

“Does anyone have any good resources on software version n-1? ChatGPT doesn’t know about version n yet.”

I used to have a difficult time believing that people could be too dumb to do google searches but watching people try to use chatgpt as a resource and failing at it somehow reduces my already extremely shaky faith in humanity even more.

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StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!

Bruegels Fuckbooks posted:

I used to have a difficult time believing that people could be too dumb to do google searches but watching people try to use chatgpt as a resource and failing at it somehow reduces my already extremely shaky faith in humanity even more.

?
Maybe I'm the idiot, but the free chat gpt's knowledge was frozen a while ago, and it routinely confuses less known stuff with well known stuff, like confusing Polars dataframes with Pandas.
The person deserves to be laughed at for being too reliant on chat gpt, but it's a legit problem with the tool

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot
I guess the straight from OpenAI stuff might be better. I wouldn't know; I closed my account once and they don't let you reopen it ever so I'd have to get a new phone number (Google Phone does not work) to open another one. However, the Bing GPT is absolute dogshit; it just repeats the summary of the top three search results your query would get. I can do that. Asking it to come up with something original so easily runs afoul of one of their many filters. I'm not even asking it to write porn. I told it to give me a witty summary of Das Kapital and it told me that jokes about political topics could offend someone. Sometimes it will write the answer to something completely innocuous, come across a naughty word in its own answer, and then delete the entire thing in front of your eyes.

thotsky fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Mar 26, 2024

abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

:darksouls:
the most notable thing AI has done for me is that one of my coworkers uses it to generate the most loving worthless pull request descriptions that just itemize every change he made in a file with zero context on why the hell he was changing anything

love to read the equivalent of SEO spam drivel in PRs and JIRA tickets

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


StumblyWumbly posted:

?
Maybe I'm the idiot, but the free chat gpt's knowledge was frozen a while ago, and it routinely confuses less known stuff with well known stuff, like confusing Polars dataframes with Pandas.
The person deserves to be laughed at for being too reliant on chat gpt, but it's a legit problem with the tool

Yes, the tool has many problems. So does ChatGPT even

a dingus
Mar 22, 2008

Rhetorical questions only
Fun Shoe
My job just released automatic AI analysis on PRs. Sometimes it can give context to something I don't totally understand but it mostly just says in five sentences what could be said in one. Its full of padding, like when a college student is trying to hit a page minimum.

I can see its usefulness somewhere in the future. I can also see myself having to explain to juniors why something the AI says is wrong a million times.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

abraham linksys posted:

the most notable thing AI has done for me is that one of my coworkers uses it to generate the most loving worthless pull request descriptions that just itemize every change he made in a file with zero context on why the hell he was changing anything

love to read the equivalent of SEO spam drivel in PRs and JIRA tickets

Murder is permissable in this scenario

lifg
Dec 4, 2000
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Muldoon
The current state of AI is having a junior dev you have to watch and review. It can be useful. But you can’t just accept what it puts out without editing.

Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you

ChickenWing posted:

This remains the single bastion of good code on the internet

How do we monetize this?

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Love Stole the Day posted:

How do we monetize this?

Like so:
code:

lifg
Dec 4, 2000
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Muldoon
So I was an early employee at a startup with an abusive CEO, I built the entire first version of their product, and then I was fired. Now, two years later, I’m watching them slowly launch. And it hurts knowing that they might succeed with a product that I poured so much sweat into. I don’t want to be bitter, but it’s hard sometimes.

redleader
Aug 18, 2005

Engage according to operational parameters

lifg posted:

The current state of AI is having a junior dev you have to watch and review. It can be useful. But you can’t just accept what it puts out without editing.

this will be the state of ai forever, barring some radical new approach. get used to it

Gildiss
Aug 24, 2010

Grimey Drawer
I haven't used AI at all because I get paid by the hour.

Canine Blues Arooo
Jan 7, 2008

when you think about it...i'm the first girl you ever spent the night with

Grimey Drawer

redleader posted:

this will be the state of ai forever, barring some radical new approach. get used to it

Basically this. Also, it likes to hallucinate just as much as everything else in AI.

i've gotten some mileage out of Copilot, but it's not ever going to solve 'big problems'. It's going to write out some LINQ that I don't have to construct myself (which is nice).

Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you

lifg posted:

So I was an early employee at a startup with an abusive CEO, I built the entire first version of their product, and then I was fired. Now, two years later, I’m watching them slowly launch. And it hurts knowing that they might succeed with a product that I poured so much sweat into. I don’t want to be bitter, but it’s hard sometimes.

Worst case scenario, I hope you can at least put it on your resume and say in interviews that you built it from the ground up.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!
What's the term for not-actually-gaslighting but engineers being repeatedly blocked from sending working and validated code to production, having release mechanisms where individuals don't use approved PRs but decide they want to reinvestigate all the code and make new complaints, being unable to follow industry best practices and standards for engineering such as proposals/designs/documentation/prototype sharing/bugfix cycles and instead needing to revert working solutions and regress projects, engineers needing to go to leads to explain how to improve the planning process and then (being told it's fine as is but there is still an unmeasured expectation of "completion") needing to demonstrate basic task ownership/grooming/planning...?

The most recent drop-dead-laughable was an engineer that shipped the code and, the next steps being privileged-only on-host script execution, just for staging verification mind you, assigned to the lead with the steps, was reassigned the ticket by the lead, eng returned after a one day absence to find the work not yet done, reassigned to another lead with more familiarity, who was on vacation but logged in to reassign it to the first lead, who :smithicide: reassigned it to the engineer again, who wrote up instructions again (the first being buried in two pages of needless noise) and reassigned it to a privileged manager. Then the first lead jumped back on the ticket to dissect the second set of instructions, with a paragraph per step (either reiterating what the engineer said the first time, or complaining about where the steps were recorded in jira, not sure I ran out of time to decipher their mess). All this for what amounts to less than five minutes of actual work.

Unfortunately I'm not in a position to fix all these situations, but the calendar is going to soon be full of meetings getting these confused people into a room every time they need to actually behave like leads and help their engineers release code.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...
The term is "being in hell" and I'm hoping you escape

redleader
Aug 18, 2005

Engage according to operational parameters
that's called "our process"

Xarn
Jun 26, 2015
That all sounds completely insane, where does everyone find these places?

ElehemEare
May 20, 2001
I am an omnipotent penguin.

PhantomOfTheCopier posted:

What's the term for not-actually-gaslighting but :words:

“We’re agile!” in the job posting.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!

ElehemEare posted:

“We’re agile!” in the job posting.
"Positively Aglie!" is certainly the best summary. "We'll fix it* after bankruptcy and we become SloughNStuff 2.0!"

(* The spelling, not the process.) :yayclod:

prom candy
Dec 16, 2005

Only I may dance
https://x.com/tekbog/status/1773079314453426365?s=20

Gildiss
Aug 24, 2010

Grimey Drawer
https://archive.org/details/SimpleSabotageFieldManual/mode/1up

Modern day business practice and sabotage is just 2 circles on top of eachother.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
Are you familiar with how dogs will piss on the same tree to show they're on top?
Pull Requests work the same way

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

StumblyWumbly posted:

Are you familiar with how dogs will piss on the same tree to show they're on top?
Pull Requests work the same way

Imagine four developers pissing off the edge of a cliff, development works the same way

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!
Ah the tyranny of the short sighted mba program. Raise your hand if you've ever used documentation for a programming language? (100% minus the liars). And if you use any source that's written text during software work at least once a week? (Yeap SO is centralized code comments and cookbooks). And if you've ever onboarded anywhere and learned anything reading a document?

Whelp... Then ensuring everyone must come to you for knowledge must just be job security.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


I've never read documentation, just stackoverflow posts

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot
I only read chat-gpt answers trained on stack overflow posts.

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Volguus
Mar 3, 2009

Cup Runneth Over posted:

I've never read documentation, just stackoverflow posts

I do read the documentation, after everything else failed.

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