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Carbon dioxide posted:tldr; you use slack wrong can i get the expanded edition of this post? please don't say "use threads" because the slack thread interface is awful.
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You won't miss anything if you take a day off because you just leave your stuff unread if you don't check it during your off day. If I get a non-time sensitive request in a busy channel I just click it and say "remind me next week" or whatever so I can respond then.
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Aug 10, 2020 16:51
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Carbon dioxide posted:You won't miss anything if you take a day off because you just leave your stuff unread if you don't check it during your off day. https://twitter.com/cabel/status/703383420286578688?lang=en For requests it usually comes as a DM. Like we don't use email at all so if I want to ask someone something but not interrupt what they're doing I don't really have any options. All communication is synchronous on Slack. If someone asks me something on a DM and I don't get back to them right away it can seem like I'm ignoring them or maybe that I'm not at my computer at all. And if i missed a convo in a channel that I want to weigh in on my options are either start a thread (again, garbage interface and likely not even get seen) or respond in that channel, in the middle of whatever the current topic of conversation is and say "regarding that thing you were talking about before, blah blah blah" I think Slack is probably great for people whose job it is to talk to people all day but for me it's a total nuisance.
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Aug 10, 2020 17:00
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prom candy posted:https://twitter.com/cabel/status/703383420286578688?lang=en ngl, Slack's synchronous flow does suck, but 'it seems like I'm ignoring them cos I don't respond immediately' sounds like your co-workers also suck. Not responding immediately to a DM is the same as not responding immediately to an email, just because it's Slack doesn't mean you'll get a response faster. I have the same dislikes as you about Slack, but that's also because due to those dislikes, I haven't felt motivated to invest any time into understanding how to use it more effectively. You prompted me to open up Slack today on a public holiday, and I discovered the 'Save' button, which could help you keep track of messages that you need to follow up on later. It also sounds like your org needs more channels for specific topics of conversation. And if you do have a couple of large monolithic channels with everyone joining in, and you want to chip in later, just quote the message you want to respond to (prefix with '>') and add it in to the main convo which will be better at steering the conversation back to the earlier topic rather than spinning off a thread which everyone including you will lose sight of immediately. But for all its faults, it's still better than using email for everything.
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Aug 10, 2020 17:36
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At one company I was at for a year they used Flowdock which had a really great conversation threading interface that I’m sad never made its way into any of the more mainstream offerings I’ve used since.
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Aug 10, 2020 17:49
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prom candy posted:https://twitter.com/cabel/status/703383420286578688?lang=en Just treat slack a bit more like in-person conversations that happen to have a log attached. If you want to ask someone something: start a DM with "hey, non-urgent question: can you help me with X?" just like you'd start an in-person conversation on the subject. If you're concentrating and don't want people to think you're offline: set a status that says so and disable notifications. If it's super urgent they can punch through. If you need to resurrect a thread: use the "send to channel" checkbox. If you're worried about interrupting the sanctity of the current conversation in a channel: don't. Start a thread if you need to.
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Aug 10, 2020 17:56
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ChickenWing posted:okay how's this work because I'm very strongly of the "I don't want corporate IT's grubby paws in my device" persuasion but I've heard peripherally of this option and how it's basically a second partition? From what I can tell it's all partitioned. Your corp it cannot view or control anything in your personal phone. It works pretty well and I like it better than any previous solution. Idk if there's insidious configuration or work around that compromises that.
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Aug 10, 2020 18:23
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prom candy posted:please don't say "use threads" because the slack thread interface is awful. seconded, gently caress threads
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Aug 11, 2020 13:55
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itt: gently caress threads 
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Aug 11, 2020 14:05
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all posts are bad posts
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Aug 11, 2020 14:22
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at least in a single-threaded system you get to see the bad posts to confirm your prejudice
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Aug 11, 2020 14:32
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Who is sending requests in chat tools? Make a ticket like everyone else scrub, otherwise I may not respond. This is sort of tongue-in-cheek, but also could be true depending on my availability. If someone asks me to do something that is a bigger ask than a few minutes while waiting for things to build/load/etc, then I usually ask they email me or use a ticket task because otherwise I may not remember. Also, I want a record of bigger requests which is better than a chat history that exists for who knows how long.
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Aug 11, 2020 14:37
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ChickenWing posted:all posts are bad posts all chats are beautiful
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Aug 11, 2020 15:05
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downout posted:Who is sending requests in chat tools? Make a ticket like everyone else scrub, otherwise I may not respond. If I could get everyone to send requests directly in Slack instead of saying "Hey, are you there?" and waiting for a response first I'd consider it a win. (Mostly I have trained everyone who isn't management not to do this, but fuuuuuuck.) beuges posted:I have the same dislikes as you about Slack, but that's also because due to those dislikes, I haven't felt motivated to invest any time into understanding how to use it more effectively. I have looked into it quite a bit, unfortunately, and the little features they keep adding to star/save messages can't save their awful threading. Some of it is administrative, though. Like, if you don't set up good groups so that people can easily tag @devservices instead of trying to remember everyone who might care when starting a thread then their crappy threading is even worse. Wallet fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Aug 11, 2020 |
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Aug 11, 2020 15:10
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Wallet posted:If I could get everyone to send requests directly in Slack instead of saying "Hey, are you there?" and waiting for a response first I'd consider it a win. (Mostly I have trained everyone who isn't management not to do this, but fuuuuuuck.) "Hey, can I ask you a quick question?" (Always asked in a PM/DM, as a question, without fail.) This drives me nuts because if you just asked the question in the first place we'd be that much closer to an answer already...
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Aug 11, 2020 15:30
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I had https://www.nohello.com as my status message in Teams for a while but it had no effect and felt kind of passive aggressive so I dropped it. Anyway chat vs email preferences are pretty subjective and probably not worth debating, personally I prefer chat in almost all instances. Current job uses MS Teams which is mostly fine, I miss Slack a bit because it's way easier to navigate using just the keyboard. With Teams I keep having to reach for the mouse and I don't like it.
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Aug 11, 2020 16:09
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I'd be happier if every PM from my coworkers didn't always start with:quote:Colin,
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Aug 11, 2020 16:12
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beuges posted:Hi Prom Candy can you please remove me from this email
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Aug 11, 2020 16:24
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Volmarias posted:
unsubscribe me from this list
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Aug 11, 2020 16:24
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Volmarias posted:
Can everyone please stop hitting reply-all when unsubscribing? Thanks.
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Aug 11, 2020 16:56
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Paolomania posted:Can everyone please stop hitting reply-all when unsubscribing? Thanks. Why am I still on this email??? please take me off!
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Aug 11, 2020 17:09
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Woebin posted:I had https://www.nohello.com as my status message in Teams for a while but it had no effect and felt kind of passive aggressive so I dropped it. I want a Slack plugin or something that just sets my status to "In a meeting" if my IDE is open. Someone must have already created this.
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Aug 11, 2020 17:23
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Wallet posted:I want a Slack plugin or something that just sets my status to "In a meeting" if my IDE is open. Someone must have already created this. That's a good idea.
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Aug 11, 2020 17:35
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Just leave that as your status. Place a rubber duck on your desk to make it technically true.
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Aug 11, 2020 17:50
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Wallet posted:I want a Slack plugin or something that just sets my status to "In a meeting" if my IDE is open. Someone must have already created this. Is your IDE not always open on one screen?
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Aug 11, 2020 19:40
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Twist (https://twist.com/) seems like kind of a cool idea (basically: what if slack but threads were good/mandatory) but I don't know if it's really gained any steam
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Aug 11, 2020 19:44
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prom candy posted:Twist (https://twist.com/) seems like kind of a cool idea (basically: what if slack but threads were good/mandatory) but I don't know if it's really gained any steam Zulip (https://zulipchat.com/) does topics within streams (basically channels) and it seems really nice, since it keeps messages with the same topic together, and since you cannot have messages without topics. It's also open source and doesn't think things like proper authentication only belong in the super-duper-enterprise-plus-plus-tier. I would have really liked it. But we use Slack like all the cool kids. 
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Aug 11, 2020 21:02
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lifg posted:Is your IDE not always open on one screen? Your point?
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Wallet posted:I want a Slack plugin or something that just sets my status to "In a meeting" if my IDE is open. Someone must have already created this. We use clockwise which uses your calendar to set your status. It also has a built in "focus-time" function which is nice.
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Aug 12, 2020 17:49
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prom candy posted:Twist (https://twist.com/) seems like kind of a cool idea (basically: what if slack but threads were good/mandatory) but I don't know if it's really gained any steam I like the look of this. I maintain that threads are trash by default but this seems to really lean towards "what if email, but faster-paced" side of things. Looks like what Teams *should* be
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Aug 12, 2020 17:53
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ChickenWing posted:I like the look of this. I maintain that threads are trash by default but this seems to really lean towards "what if email, but faster-paced" side of things. Looks like what Teams *should* be Now if you want to talk about an implementation of chat threads that's vomit inducing... Teams. Sucks because I liked everything else about it. It was super great for SharePoint document sharing when I was using it at my old job. SharePoint actually got used by more than like 2 of the manager-type guys once we started using Teams.
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Aug 12, 2020 17:57
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Protocol7 posted:Now if you want to talk about an implementation of chat threads that's vomit inducing... Teams. I had high hopes for Teams but every day they are crushed just a little more
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Aug 12, 2020 17:58
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ChickenWing posted:I had high hopes for Teams but every day they are crushed just a little more Sorry, I tried to reply to your comment in this thread but created a new thread instead, further muddling the discussion on this topic.
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Aug 12, 2020 17:59
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ChickenWing posted:I like the look of this. I maintain that threads are trash by default but this seems to really lean towards "what if email, but faster-paced" side of things. Looks like what Teams *should* be Yeah, faster email with the option to fallback on general chat via built-in DM would be nice. I'm sure it has its own issues once you get into it though.
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Aug 12, 2020 18:13
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I've found the problem with threaded conversations is that any thread with more than one person will invariably have at least one person that does not know how threaded conversations work and refuses to learn, so the entire thing falls apart.
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Aug 12, 2020 18:56
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Did you guys see that 5OT hockey game last night?
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Aug 12, 2020 19:29
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MisterZimbu posted:I've found the problem with threaded conversations is that any thread with more than one person will invariably have at least one person that does not know how threaded conversations work and refuses to learn, so the entire thing falls apart. This is me, joining Slack via a Pidgin plugin that can't participate in threading 
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Aug 12, 2020 21:07
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CPColin posted:This is me, joining Slack via a Pidgin plugin that can't participate in threading  
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Aug 12, 2020 21:10
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What's so special about this boy?
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Slack threads are fine and after the initial adjustment period of having a guy yell USE THREADS at us a lot I have no problem with them.
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