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TwoQuestions posted:No such system can possibly exist. Your value as a human being begins and ends at what you produce for other people, and for the longest time legions of laborers were needed to provide for people that matter. In a fairly short period of time we can *all* expect to be "dead weight". I'm kind of amazed I haven't seen anyone post Bertrand Russell's essay "In Defense of Idleness". His view is that the best way to encourage the development of the arts is to subsidize as much Idleness as we can. Examples like JK Rowling would seem to prove his point.
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Main Paineframe posted:This is because in many engineering fields it is illegal to do certain things without a real certified engineer signing off on them, and if those things end badly then that engineer is typically liable for the results. Engineering is generally tightly regulated and subject to significant liability, its not something any idiot with a piece of software is legally allowed to do. It's government regulation protecting engineering jobs by requiring trained and licensed engineers to do engineering jobs. Software can't take the place of a licensed engineer, and the software companies aren't interested in doing so for fear of also inheriting that liability. This is an aside, but given what has happened in other licensed fields, I'd expect that issue to be hit from two sides: domestic oversupply and outsourcing. For example, law is tightly licensed and difficult to automate, but because of that 1) waay more people are going into law, causing a glut of employees, and 2) a lot of legal work is getting outsourced to India and other lower-wage countries, wherever possible. And, of course, where automation is possible, that's happening too. There is a cascade effect here: the more jobs get lost to automation and outsourcing, the fiercer the competition for the remaining jobs. And with high supply of labor, its value drops . . .
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computer parts posted:Anything that requires a PE isn't going to be outsourced (because a *lot* of it is government work which requires citizenship) and there is a very high bar towards getting a PE which lots of people don't bother with if they don't need it. Once the cost is worth it, firms will lobby to lower restrictions like that PE requirement; that's my point. Attorneys must pass a local bar exam, but corporate lobbyists are starting to get exceptions written into state laws to allow legal outsourcing in various ways. It'll happen to engineers too, though it may take slightly longer. Ultimately an Indian engineer *can be* as good as an American one.
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computer parts posted:They'd have to do it for every single state they operate in, because the PE is a state level program. Good question. Maybe institutional inertia, maybe not worth it yet if foreign engineers can't compete on quality yet. But if they can't now they will be able to so compete soon. Just a matter of education and America is no special flower in that regard.
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Powercrazy posted:There are robust algorithms that resist this type of attack, and of course you can always double check your neighboring car with your own sensors and worse case scenario, just go lone-wolf. But yea the ambulance scenario will be an interesting one. Of course all this poo poo is at least 50 years away, even if the technology to do it exist today. It'll happen a lot faster than that. There's too much potential money at stake, even if it's just to be gained by firing all the delivery and taxi and truck drivers.
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rudatron posted:Look at the US political system right now, look at the party with a clear hold on both Congress and the Senate (which it will probably keep till 2020, maybe 2024), and tell me how supportive they will be of a growing proportion of population that is unable to find employment. More people are going to fall through the cracks, and no one is willing to help them. Well, to get extremely cynical for a moment, a lot of people view that as a feature and not a bug. There's a reason a lot of post-scarcity sci-fi features planets with very, very low populations (say, a few thousand people). One not-entirely-improbable scenario is that the very wealthiest just allow everyone who isn't them to perish, as surplus to requirements. edit: for a practical example of this occurring, look at the current situation in Flint, Michigan: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3760458 One way to look at this situation, through a marxist lens anyway, is that Capital decided Flint was surplus to requirements, so the citizens of Flint don't matter, so the capitalist system is going to neglect them until they perish (die, move away, etc.). It's at least arguable that Flint could become the new normal for everywhere with an average income under the poverty line. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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