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WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Silver Nitrate posted:

He was suspected to have stabbed someone. There is another video out there from a slightly different angle that basically shows the exact same thing. Cornered, scared looking guy getting shot buy a ton of cops.

http://m.sfgate.com/crime/article/Man-shot-dead-by-S-F-cops-IDd-as-26-year-old-6673167.php

Edit: here's the other video

https://twitter.com/krispyyyxchris/status/672482649072513024

holy moley

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WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
hey who wants to see a video of some guy getting murdered by the police this morning in Miami?

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
i just hope somehow this winds up loving up art basel this weekend more than the rain

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Daniel Holtzclaw (white cop accused of raping 13 black women) convicted of some stuff, acquitted of others.

20 years for forcible oral sodomy
not guilty of rape
16 years for forcible oral sodomy
30 years for rape
etc. etc.

so jury at least believed some of the victims, I guess

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

There are six charges, stemming from two underlying statutory provisions: 720 ILCS 5/9-1(a)(1) which requires intent, and 720 ILCS 5/9-1(a)(2) which requires knowledge that the act reate a strong probability to kill (the "MURDER/INTENT TO KILL" vs "MURDER/STRONG PROB KILL").

The sentence for first degree murder carries a sentence from 20 to 60 years, ordinarily. 730 ILCS 5/5-4.5-20.

This sentence can be enhanced for murders involving firearms (INJURE WITH FIREARM / INJURE DISCHARGE FIREARM / INJURE DISCHARGE FIREARM PROXIMATELY). The 20 to 60 year term is enhanced by 15 years if the defendant killed the victim while armed (INJURE WITH FIREARM), 20 years if the defendant killed the victim and fired a shot (INJURE DISCHARGE FIREARM), and 25 years if the defendant killed the victim with a shot (INJURE DISCHARGE FIREARM PROXIMATELY). 730 ILCS 5/5-8-1

These are, for some reason, six separate charges, but he's only facing possible conviction of one of them.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Phone posting so I can't give out a proper writeup, but someone post about Noel Aguilar, who was killed by two cops after one officer accidentally shot the other officer.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/neal-browder-fridoon-nehad-shooting

quote:

A San Diego police officer who shot and killed a man within seconds of exiting his car initially told investigators that he didn't see a weapon but said days later that he recalled thinking the man might be carrying a knife, according to a report released Wednesday.

Officer Neal Browder answered "no" when asked the day of the April 30 shooting if he saw a weapon, at which time his attorney said his client wouldn't elaborate. Five days later, police let Browder and his attorney watch a business' surveillance video for about 20 minutes before another interview.

Browder, who was responding to a 911 call of a knife-wielding suspect, said in the second interview that he saw Fridoon Nehad, 42, carrying what looked like a metal object as the suspect walked down a dark alley toward the police car.

It turned out Nehad was wielding a pen.

:negative:

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

BloodFeastIslandMan posted:

Cuyahoga County Prosecutor is going to make an announcement at 2 pm EST regarding the grand jury investigation into the murder of Tamir Rice. The family has said they don't expect an indictment. A livestream of the announcement can be found here http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/12/cuyahoga_county_prosecutor_to.html

no charges, quelle surprise

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
"indisputable that Tamir was drawing his gun" :rolleyes:

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Elendil004 posted:




He's even in a shooting stance in the first shot. Also note a clear other person in the second shot. Is that one of the cops because for someone who watched the video so much you're pretty adamant that it only shows three people...

To compare, something like this would probably be OK under open carry laws, the top shot, not so much.


I want to say that I think the entire thing from the lovely dispatch to the grand jury is indicative of the systemic problems in American policing. Maybe we should focus on that instead of pedantry.

Red herring: the cops didn't see this before they shot

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Change of pace:

police are just using attack did indiscriminately

e: like text messages planning to just have a dog attack a guy before they even show up

WhiskeyJuvenile fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Dec 30, 2015

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WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
I mean it's easy to support an indictment:

shot too quickly to establish reasonable belief of danger, and their statement contradicting the video means anything they describe can't be believed

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