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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:They could withdraw the Labour whip and leave him as an independent dead man walking until 2020. I doubt the Tories or UKIP will touch him. forkboy84 posted:I'm laughing at the idea that UKIP have any standards
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I really hate to defend Danczuk and her age and the fact she was looking for employment are definitely creepy and not OK, especially if he started the exchange. But as far as the texts themselves go it really doesn't look that bad, it's a series of messages that gradually ramp up with both parties apparently into it, not like he sent her pictures of his cock out of the blue. Yeah he should probably resign and yeah he probably shouldn't be doing this kind of thing with 17 year olds, but I don't really like that he's getting played up as on par with a predatory paedophile by the same press that are quite happy to ignore or defend allegations of MPs actually abusing children. e: To be clear, I don't care what happens to Danczuk specifically. I'd just rather that creepy but relatively harmless behaviour weren't conflated with horrible crimes. When the next august and eminent Lord's abuse of children comes out, I don't want people pointing at this and saying "what's the big deal, this is just like Danczuk and nothing happened there". big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Dec 31, 2015 |
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big scary monsters posted:I really hate to defend Danczuk and her age and the fact she was looking for employment are definitely creepy and not OK, especially if he started the exchange. But as far as the texts themselves go it really doesn't look that bad, it's a series of messages that gradually ramp up with both parties apparently into it, not like he sent her pictures of his cock out of the blue. Yeah he should probably resign and yeah he probably shouldn't be doing this kind of thing with 17 year olds, but I don't really like that he's getting played up as on par with a predatory paedophile by the same press that are quite happy to ignore or defend allegations of MPs actually abusing children. It's not exactly clean, but what is in politics? I don't care if the press brand him the reincarnation of Hitler so long as it gets him out of the Labour party.
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Plus, it's all his own stupid fault, it's not like The Sun entrapped him or anything, he just decided that being a creepy old man was something he could get away with and it turned out he was wrong.
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I mean look by the standards of Rochdale MPs it really could have been an awful lot worse.
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Considering in modern politics the majority of people vote for the party and not the person it's crazy that an MP leaving the party doesn't automatically trigger a byelection. Rochdale could be held by a LibDem MP (okay he won't join them but in theory) even after only winning 10 votes there as a party.
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British politics is a cobbled together mess of outdated conventions that are unfit for purpose, 12th edition (revised).
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Taear posted:Considering in modern politics the majority of people vote for the party and not the person it's crazy that an MP leaving the party doesn't automatically trigger a byelection. the british electoral system - bizarre?! say it ain't so
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one way the british could stand to be more like the french is in having a wholesale constitutional overhaul not be a completely unthinkable event the frogs are at their fifth republic, and though it's also a mess at least it was consciously designed to do a thing, and is indeed doing that thing
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While I agree he's not bursting into a cot while rock solid, I think we should let his target speak for herself:quote:Houlihan told the Sun: “When I first got in touch I never expected the messages to get so graphic. At the time I played along with it, but now I feel like he duped me. I was keen for a career in politics and he is a very high-profile MP and I was in awe of him.” http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/dec/31/labour-mp-simon-danczuk-suspended-over-explicit-text-message-allegations Feels a little like taking advantage of a position of trust to me, which is creepy in its own right.
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V. Illych L. posted:the british electoral system - bizarre?! say it ain't so At least the rest of it you can pretend to make an argument for. Strong government and "having a connection to local areas" and whatever the hell.
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While this is entirely the fault of Danzcuck, I feel that there should be a public service announcement to help prevent this happening again. Something like "Never be in awe of an MP, chances are they're poo poo."
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No argument that it's creepy. It's definitely creepy & an abuse of power. Fact the story was broken by The Sun leaves me cynical though: why did they choose to throw him under the bus? Did they really expect his martyrdom this quickly? Or do they just want to deflect from Letwin's racism or Cameron/Osbourne's cuts to the flood defence budgets & other things which have let to massive flooding across northern England? Or what else do are they using it to deflect from?
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Much like many people believe Labour should be elected whatever the cost, I think Danczuk should gently caress off whatever the cost. So this is nothing but good news.
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forkboy84 posted:No argument that it's creepy. It's definitely creepy & an abuse of power. Fact the story was broken by The Sun leaves me cynical though: why did they choose to throw him under the bus? Did they really expect his martyrdom this quickly? Or do they just want to deflect from Letwin's racism or Cameron/Osbourne's cuts to the flood defence budgets & other things which have let to massive flooding across northern England? Or what else do are they using it to deflect from? Or maybe it's just because it's a juicy story that can shift papers.
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Yeah given the police said they received a report 2 days ago I think the story was coming out no matter what.
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V. Illych L. posted:one way the british could stand to be more like the french is in having a wholesale constitutional overhaul not be a completely unthinkable event They're also much better at strikes and rioting.
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At least Simon has learned an important lesson: The media is fickle, and will always gently caress you. Who am I kidding? He hasn't learned gently caress all.
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V. Illych L. posted:one way the british could stand to be more like the french is in having a wholesale constitutional overhaul not be a completely unthinkable event The deputy shadow leader of the Lords is certainly of the opinion that a constitutional convention is necessary and I have to agree with him. Be a loving bastard to write though. And even harder to get through given that its entire purpose would be to limit the powers of parliament and fix the horrible inequities of our current voting systems.
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pumpinglemma posted:I can't think of any other job than MP where you'd have the option to resign, rather than getting fired, for sexually harassing a 17 year old who comes to you looking for a job.
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Noxville posted:Or maybe it's just because it's a juicy story that can shift papers. This. Reminder that the Daily Mail of all papers printed a story that the Conservative PM had sex with a dead pig, based on the evidence that Ashcroft, his political enemy, knows a guy who knows a guy who saw a photo of it.
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The Telegraph's hot take on the Crosby knighthood.
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I initially read this as the Cosby knighthood and briefly thought "Well, they would, wouldn't they?"
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The author of this piece is a goddamn rear end in a top hat and bootlicker, but at least he's honest about his terrible opinions. I kinda can respect that.
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loving John McTernan, OF COURSE that wank is defending this cronyism.
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Well he's not just defending this cronyism, he's saying all cronyism is good and a sign of being a good friend.
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Thundercloud posted:By a Blairite. Labour MPs don't need to tolerate Jeremy Corbyn's bullying any longer posted:If any shadow minister is moved, the entire shadow cabinet should resign and MPs should refuse to replace them what a piece of poo poo
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XMNN posted:lol Sounds like he's advocating for unlawful industrial action to me.
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Is it just me or was 'Shaun the Sheep' incredibly racist this xmas?
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McTernan is the man who's lost Labour two elections both in Australia and Scotland. He's living proof that no matter how wrong you are you'll always have a job if your on the right side of wrong. Also who gives a gently caress about the honours list. At this point it's nothing more than a prestigious sex offenders register.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Also who gives a gently caress about the honours list. At this point it's nothing more than a prestigious sex offenders register. 
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Guavanaut posted:Idris no Don't worry, that man is incapable of sexual offences because he's too dreamy. 
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forkboy84 posted:No argument that it's creepy. It's definitely creepy & an abuse of power. Fact the story was broken by The Sun leaves me cynical though: why did they choose to throw him under the bus? Did they really expect his martyrdom this quickly? Or do they just want to deflect from Letwin's racism or Cameron/Osbourne's cuts to the flood defence budgets & other things which have let to massive flooding across northern England? Or what else do are they using it to deflect from? it's an attention grabbing story that will sell papers / generate page views. if the sun hadn't run it then another paper would. there doesn't always have to be a grand ulterior motive.
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Cerv posted:it's an attention grabbing story that will sell papers / generate page views. if the sun hadn't run it then another paper would. You're not paranoid enough, are you sure you're a UKMT poster & not just a paranoid delusion I'm having?
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So surely the reshuffle stories must be nonsense if any of them tip Abbott for shadow foreign sec., that move would be loving awful.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:So surely the reshuffle stories must be nonsense if any of them tip Abbott for shadow foreign sec., that move would be loving awful. Of course they're all bollocks, the source for that one was a Edinburgh student who calls himself an Arch Blairite and looks like Dave Mustaine's sister.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Of course they're all bollocks, the source for that one was a Edinburgh student who calls himself an Arch Blairite and looks like Dave Mustaine's sister. Hey I went to Edinburgh we're not all bad. To be fair EUSA and Edinburgh Student Labour were loving awful though.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Don't worry, that man is incapable of sexual offences because he's too dreamy. I mean normally "Asking for it" is a reprehensible defense, but when it's Idris Elba then yeah, anyone who wasn't up for it needs to be remanded for their own safety. The man is objectively perfect.
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