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VitalSigns posted:That's exactly what it is; if hanging onto your ideology is more important that finding out the truth, you'll invent reasons to ignore opinions you don't like and cast the other side as hysterical and insane. These were absolutely ridiculous complaints that would have rightly been met with "get hosed" if the students hadn't leveraged the racism element implicit to accusations of cultural appropriation in an environment where schools are terrified of having any sort of racial controversy.
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silence_kit posted:No it actually does. Some women in the thread did not want to place transexual women at a higher rank on the cosmic scale of oppression than themselves because then they'd be obligated to accede to them. Posters in the thread went on spiels about how transexual women, who had lived much of their lives as privileged men, had become accustomed to living lives of privilege and how that their demand wasn't fair to other women. Post this supposed thread, because I'm willing to bet you're full of poo poo. quote:I'm honestly flabbergasted that everybody in this thread is straight-up denying that this idea exists in social justice circles. Of course it does! One of the mantras of social justice ideology is that colorblindness is racism. No it isn't. Prove this. quote:So if you aren't supposed to treat everybody equally as if their race/sex doesn't matter, you have to have some kind of hierarchy of oppressed groups in your mind to help you make the right moral decisions, because it is definitely not fair to accede to the white man. It's totally built in to the ideology and has to exist for a lot of the other stuff to make sense. I don't see how this can be a contentious point. It's contentious because you're outright lying and making poo poo up. If you have any evidence for any of this then put up or shut up, kiddo. Edit: Jarmak posted:These were absolutely ridiculous complaints that would have rightly been met with "get hosed" if the students hadn't leveraged the racism element implicit to accusations of cultural appropriation in an environment where schools are terrified of having any sort of racial controversy. Give me a direct quote from the students where they made accusations of cultural appropriation to the school. Don't worry, I'll wait.
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It was an old E/N thread if I'm not mistaken.
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Who What Now posted:Give me a direct quote from the students where they made accusations of cultural appropriation to the school. Don't worry, I'll wait. "CDS Appropriates Asian Dishes, Students Say posted:“When you’re cooking a country’s dish for other people, including ones who have never tried the original dish before, you’re also representing the meaning of the dish as well as its culture,” Joshi said. “So if people not from that heritage take food, modify it and serve it as ‘authentic,’ it is appropriative.” 
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The Kingfish posted:From an article entitled, "CDS Appropriates Asian Dishes, Students Say" Beaten cause I'm on my phone
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Jarmak posted:These were absolutely ridiculous complaints that would have rightly been met with "get hosed" if the students hadn't leveraged the racism element implicit to accusations of cultural appropriation in an environment where schools are terrified of having any sort of racial controversy. This food is bad, an utterly ridiculous complaint for any customer to make. Where do they get the nerve? Who What Now posted:Give me a direct quote from the students where they made accusations of cultural appropriation to the school. Don't worry, I'll wait. This conversation would be a lot easier if people would actually read the articles under discussion...
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The Kingfish posted:From an article entitled, "CDS Appropriates Asian Dishes, Students Say" Was that made to the school? I'm also not seeing the problem there. If you try and say that Campbell's chicken noodle is authentic pho then you're doing something really lovely. The Kingfish posted:It was an old E/N thread if I'm not mistaken. How convenient.
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Who What Now posted:Was that made to the school? Yes.
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The Kingfish posted:Yes. And it says that where?
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Read the loving article dude I'm not here to teach you.
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I just started reading a book about cultural appropriation titled "Who Owns Culture?" by Susan Scafidi. I'm not that far in, but I've gotten to an illustrative example I find interesting. If a Catholic woman gives a rosary (a cultural product) to her Catholic godchild the exchange is not appropriative because both individuals are within the same cultural group (a source community). Several examples of using a rosary in a culturally appropriative way are then given, such as use by non-Catholics as a fashion accessory. Another example is use by a Catholic for proselytizing to non-Catholics. So, if I understand this correctly, any use of a cultural product that involves individuals outside a product's source community is culturally appropriative. That means that white people rapping and African-American rappers performing for non-African-Americans are both culturally appropriating rap music.
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Squalid posted:This food is bad, an utterly ridiculous complaint for any customer to make. Where do they get the nerve? "This American dish that I didn't even taste because it looked nothing like the version they make in China is an affront to my culture" is in fact a ridiculous complaint. Who What Now posted:And it says that where? I kinda thought the quoted response from the cafeteria manger to this exact allegations was kind of a tip off.
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Who What Now posted:And it says that where? Your "to the school" requirement is vague enough that I think statements in the school newspaper could be interpreted as fulfilling it, also while it's not clear exactly what was said to Dining Services, the fact that they said they "did not intend to serve the dishes disrespectfully" is a strong indication that yes, these feelings were made explicit to Bon Appétit.
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The Kingfish posted:Read the loving article dude I'm not here to teach you. The article you didn't link?
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Look in my post history. E: or google it, I gave you the title.
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Who What Now posted:The article you didn't link? You mean the original article that is the source of the entire discussion? You need it linked?
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Jarmak posted:"This American dish that I didn't even taste because it looked nothing like the version they make in China is an affront to my culture" is in fact a ridiculous complaint. What are you quoting nobody said that. You could at least use real complaints instead of making up quotes and misattributing them... Anyway, if you think a group of students (who probably are required by the school to purchase a meal plan) had approached the dining hall and just said "your food is bad" and published an article in the school paper saying the same administration would have reacted differently? Because I don't. Talk is cheap, and many problems have solutions that are free or mostly free.
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Squalid posted:Talk is cheap, and many problems have solutions that are free or mostly free. Improving food produced by a cafeteria that feed thousands of people is not one of these problems with free or mostly free solutions. E: the Chinese student didn't specifically say it was an affront to his culture, but all that means is that his complaints probably shouldn't have been included in an article that was specifically about appropriation.
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The Kingfish posted:Improving food produced by a cafeteria that feed thousands of people is not one of these problems with free or mostly free solutions. Then take that up with the article instead of making up stories about hysterical minorities that never actually happened.
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The Kingfish posted:Improving food produced by a cafeteria that feed thousands of people is not one of these problems with free or mostly free solutions. The article states management offered to change the names of the dishes, which is about as cheap a solution as you can get. In many cases you can improve institutional food without spending money though, and I was recently in a situation that was basically the opposite of these students. I was eating regularly at an Asian cafeteria that often served pancakes for breakfast. Unfortunately they didn't understand pancakes were supposed to rise, so they were always flat and weird and dense. Nobody said anything for a month because the westerners didn't want to impose, but when we finally did the cooks easily corrected (well, mostly) the problem, presumably just by adding a tad more baking powder, and everybody benefited. This kind of mistake is easy to make when you're just working from a recipe, and unless someone is brave enough to speak up its easy to just keep making it over and over again. Feedback is important, and institutions really do want to hear people's opinions. I know my University dining hall had a little suggestion box by the door. Preferably, I think they'd like to hear your complaints BEFORE they make national news. I can't imagine Bon Appétit is too thrilled with all the conservatives reposting an article about how bad their food is over and over, even if they're ostensibly doing it to defend them from pc culture gone mad.
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Hexmage-SA posted:So, if I understand this correctly, any use of a cultural product that involves individuals outside a product's source community is culturally appropriative. That means that white people rapping and African-American rappers performing for non-African-Americans are both culturally appropriating rap music. I think it's safe to say you don't understand it correctly. Sorry.
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Who What Now posted:Then take that up with the article instead of making up stories about hysterical minorities that never actually happened. I didn't, retard. How about you actually read articles before posting smug incorrect bullshit about them?
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The Kingfish posted:I didn't, retard. For what it's worth the student you quoted isn't actually Chinese, he's Japanese. I'm guessing you can't tell Asians apart in person but it takes a special kind of person to mistake them when they are in print and their background is actually specified. So how about you practice what you preach?
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Ddraig posted:For what it's worth the student you quoted isn't actually Chinese, he's Japanese. I'm guessing you can't tell Asians apart in person but it takes a special kind of person to mistake them when they are in print and their background is actually specified. Wtf are you talking about dude, learn to follow posts. E: like, read the posts from this page in order and then realize that you are a moron.
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Squalid posted:What are you quoting nobody said that. You could at least use real complaints instead of making up quotes and misattributing them... Are you seriously taking the position that all the students quoted in an article about cultural appropriation were quoted out of context unless they specifically used the words "cultural appropriation" in the single sentence the paper chose to quote?
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The Kingfish posted:Improving food produced by a cafeteria that feed thousands of people is not one of these problems with free or mostly free solutions. I'm glad that this thread has gradually metamorphosed into a celebration of college dorm food, and the offensiveness of saying it sucks.
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Effectronica posted:I'm glad that this thread has gradually metamorphosed into a celebration of college dorm food, and the offensiveness of saying it sucks. Shut up effectronica you stupid nerd thats only what you wish the article was about.
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Effectronica posted:I'm glad that this thread has gradually metamorphosed into a celebration of college dorm food, and the offensiveness of saying it sucks. "Haha, I know you are but what am I?" You are a true intellectual. I love how the Che Brigade can only define 'cultural appropriation' by how sober-minded folk make fun of it.
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Jarmak posted:These were absolutely ridiculous complaints that would have rightly been met with "get hosed" if the students hadn't leveraged the racism element implicit to accusations of cultural appropriation in an environment where schools are terrified of having any sort of racial controversy. Haha yeah okay. No civilized white man would ever complain about the quality of his school cafeteria, righto champ.
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VitalSigns posted:Haha yeah okay. No civilized white man would ever complain about the quality of his school cafeteria, righto champ. "This kitchen lady culturally appropriated my Jell-O salad by omitting the marshmallows. I demand a hearing with the Dean of Students to rectify this grievous racism!" That's nice, Trevor.
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TheImmigrant posted:"This kitchen lady culturally appropriated my Jell-O salad by omitting the marshmallows. I demand a hearing with the Dean of Students to rectify this grievous racism!" Have you noticed yet that you have to constantly make poo poo up and attribute it to these kids to make them sound uppity and foolish? Why is that so crucial to your point, do you think?
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VitalSigns posted:Haha yeah okay. No civilized white man would ever complain about the quality of his school cafeteria, righto champ. Noice strawman, primo quality
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I really thought the discussion on the cafeteria food was over the moment we realized that the issue was handled cordially among both sides. I mean this is one of those rare times where a dialogue happened and an agreement was made. But it seems people are tripping over themselves to make this issue bigger than it actually was all so they can score points against CA and these students.
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Jarmak posted:Are you seriously taking the position that all the students quoted in an article about cultural appropriation were quoted out of context unless they specifically used the words "cultural appropriation" in the single sentence the paper chose to quote? No, I'm saying if you want to criticize someone your argument will be a lot stronger if you use actual quotes people have really said or written instead of inventing exaggerated lines and calling these fictional complaints nobody made ridiculous.
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blackguy32 posted:I really thought the discussion on the cafeteria food was over the moment we realized that the issue was handled cordially among both sides. I mean this is one of those rare times where a dialogue happened and an agreement was made. But it seems people are tripping over themselves to make this issue bigger than it actually was all so they can score points against CA and these students. A foreign-exchange student's mewling about racist sushi at a place where she's dishing out $50,000 a year to study Intersectionality of Semiotics of Timorese-Navajo Ikat is indelible, and priceless. I know this must hurt for you.
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Squalid posted:In many cases you can improve institutional food without spending money though, and I was recently in a situation that was basically the opposite of these students. I was eating regularly at an Asian cafeteria that often served pancakes for breakfast. Unfortunately they didn't understand pancakes were supposed to rise, so they were always flat and weird and dense. Nobody said anything for a month because the westerners didn't want to impose, but when we finally did the cooks easily corrected (well, mostly) the problem, presumably just by adding a tad more baking powder, and everybody benefited. This kind of mistake is easy to make when you're just working from a recipe, and unless someone is brave enough to speak up its easy to just keep making it over and over again. Feedback is important, and institutions really do want to hear people's opinions. I know my University dining hall had a little suggestion box by the door.
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TheImmigrant posted:A foreign-exchange student's mewling about racist sushi at a place where she's dishing out $50,000 a year to study Intersectionality of Semiotics of Timorese-Navajo Ikat is indelible, and priceless. I know this must hurt for you. No, but it makes you come off as a jackass who isn't about resolving issues but rather just looking to belittle and demean people.
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Foreign exchange kids at places like Oberlin probably have more privilege than the minorities they claim to speak for.
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Squalid posted:No, I'm saying if you want to criticize someone your argument will be a lot stronger if you use actual quotes people have really said or written instead of inventing exaggerated lines and calling these fictional complaints nobody made ridiculous. Which part was invented or exaggerated? I was paraphrasing, accurately. VitalSigns posted:Haha yeah okay. No civilized white man would ever complain about the quality of his school cafeteria, righto champ. What is this strawman crap?
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blackguy32 posted:No, but it makes you come off as a jackass who isn't about resolving issues but rather just looking to belittle and demean people. Keep fighting the good fight, Tiger! Racism can only be defeated by Posting furiously on the Internet according to incoherent social theory. I salute your bravery. You're, like, a superhero.
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