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A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

CommieGIR posted:

"I vote republican despite the fact that they directly work against my interests because GUNS" - TFR

are you supposed to be a representative of the guys looking out for their interests, here

cause I think I see a problem with your scenario

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A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

the psychotic internet wierdos who can't stop screeching their hatred for Americans even as they attempt a cursory pretense of caring are the ones really looking out for your best interests, and you'd know that and do what they say if you weren't such a fat regressive uneducated murderous white capitalist nazi redneck

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Dead Reckoning posted:

Yeah, I'm not really cool with government agents popping into private citizens' homes without any sort of individual suspicion in order to make sure they're following the law. Which, FYI, is not a thing the EPA does.

it's a thing the ATF does with certain kinds of license holders, but it's more a pointless minor bureaucratic hassle and less stormtroopers kicking in the doors and burning the house down to punish them all for being Probable Republicans so it's understandable that some folks ITT would feel that shouldn't even count.

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 09:30 on Dec 3, 2015

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

VitalSigns posted:

Well first of all I don't want confiscation, I like taking my guns to the range, I just think like any dangerous hobby our funtimes should be better regulated. Keep your gunsafe in your garage or your toolshed or your gun in your gunowner's condo building with community locking gunracks next to the lobby or at your range if you don't want inspectors in your living room. It's not like you have to keep your guns in the same room as your illegal casino/porn studio/drug dealership/whatever.

And I don't fantasize about you dying, I'm just always amused by the selective distrust/total faith in government.

"Hey the government needs to make sure you have a gun safe, keep accountability of your weapons, and are trained in proper use and handling."
"That's tyranny, I'm not going to live in some totalitarian fascist hellhole like France!"
"Oh okay, how about the government just shows up, we kill anyone we want in like two seconds and say they made a furtive movement and ignored a whole bunch of commands?"
"That's fine!"

yeah that guy sucks, the guy who said the thing you quoted. I'm glad you took him down a peg or two, since nobody else was brave enough to.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

itt let's speculate about what those subhuman homonculus ffffffucking conservatives would, like, totally say, if they were talking to me which they're not since I got disinvited from Thanksgiving dinner

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Effectronica posted:

Weren't you pissing up a storm about "lovely sarcasm" earlier? Blatant hypocrisy seems to be regrettably common on this issue. People will stake out an absolutist position on access to guns being essential for self-defense and then say it's okay to ban felons and "mentally unwell" people from having them. People will declare that being pro on gun control is solely because of culture warring, while being anti is inherently reasonable as a position. People will talk up their desire to have guns for self-defense, but although this requires a willingness to kill, they curiously rage about the supposed genocidal desires of pro-control people.

In the end, this is somewhat understandable if we take anti-control posts as propaganda, in some cases as subtle as the reframing I just used, in other cases much more crude. But of course we are not allowed to treat propaganda as propaganda in this subforum, so you can have it mostly your own way.

you're the Elliot Rodger failson who's been spewing out death threats nonstop and there's 'people' somewhere who say the President is a lizard from outer space, if you need to come up with an imaginary friend with worse ideas than yours to be airily dismissive of it is time for you to face the brutal truth that you are the dumbest actual person you can find and start desperately agreeing with anyone you hear

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

I can't believe how much bullshit you two are generating over not knowing how a food safety compliance inspection works...

I don't care what you haven't heard of. As is demonstrably apparent, goons don't know a whole lot of things about the world.

In many aspects of american life, public and private, if you want to do a dangerous thing you have to prove you have the equipment and training to make it safe. If you could conceive of gun safes and trigger locks living in the same category as helmets and turn signals instead of life-threatening limits on your penis extensions this would all be a lot easier for you to understand. The dividing line for who is inspected and who is not is whether your choices affect others - living in squalor is a-ok unless you want to adopt, keeping your fridge warm enough for bacteria growth is your freedom until you risk poisoning a lot of people over it - you're free to birth a child but in many places you're not free to drive that baby home from the hospital until you produce a car seat for inspection. "Here are the tools I use to keep my dangerous thing I'm doing from hurting others" is already a common thing in society, and it's just fine.

Two dots is a reactionary idiot who thinks any government scrutiny is tantamount to dragging him off to the fema camps. All I'm saying - all I have ever been saying - is that private citizens already get inspected in all sorts of ways for all sorts of reasons and it isn't an infringement on their rights. Given that these types of inspections exist, which they loving do, two dots, there's no reason to imagine that it would be impossible to implement some kind of safe gun owner check without ushering in the fourth reich.

you're really dumb and angry and upping the angry isn't doing anything to make you sound less dumb

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

nah I'm good

wanna keep presentable in case the county health inspector comes rappelling through my bedroom window

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Effectronica posted:

Okay, now switch sides and argue for that guy's position.

i hope you're not still trying to suggest that everyone doing this could make this thread worse

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

the future of gun control is that in 2040 sentient guns will be granted the vote and immediately become America's political majority

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Laverna posted:

I've never actually cared enough to look it up but the Amendments are basically changes people made to the original Constitution, right?
I guess after something is old enough it kind of becomes "tradition" which is why people will be more reluctant to change it now than they would have been when it was first created.

I wonder what would have to happen for people to change it now. Another civil war?

The Bill of Rights (first 10 amendments) came in as the constitution was being drafted and were ratified almost immediately thereafter, there've been twentysome in total since then but they are by design extremely hard to pass, unlikely to happen a second time over bored bougies' moral panic of the week (it's been done), and more or less call for a plurality consensus among the country as a whole, where currently the consensus outside forums of sulky Che-shirted teens swings so strongly the other way that the gun control people can't even push federal laws through that would be technically constitutional even with the amendment.

Their barrier isn't that danged dirty old Constitution, it's that nobody wants what they're selling.

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Dec 6, 2015

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

VitalSigns posted:

Actually an outright majority of Americans favor stricter gun control, and even Republicans are evenly split on the issue with pro-gun control gaining. The Republican-controlled senate is as usual ignoring the will of the people in favor of giving a sloppy blowjob to the gun manufacturer lobby


I was sorta wondering how the entire liberal establishment simultaneously did a 180 from the no-fly list being insane authoritarian garbage to being common sense that should be applied to civil rights but if y'all can look at a shaky 5% polling lead in 'more laws good?' and see a popular mandate to rewrite the Constitution being subverted by the scheming NRA Elders of Zion I guess that answers that.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

The NRA manages five million members while yelling about Flash games and the Brady Campaign is writing manifestoes out of a shack in the woods because of a sinister Rethuglikkkan lizardperson mind control plot to make the extra 5% of people who grunt one way in a vague low-info phone poll and reverse themselves when you go into specifics not actually give a poo poo beyond when you put em on the spot for a "should laws be more strict y/n".

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 10:05 on Dec 7, 2015

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A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Effectronica posted:

So how often do you jack it to the scenes from Yes, Minister about manipulating polls?

i constantly jack it to everything so I'm not sure how that's relevant

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