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C.M. Kruger posted:Spree shooters are finally tearing down the "autistic white male" stereotype. I thought the Vegas shooters that were tied to the BLM standoff already did that? Oh wait, they were white and anti-government so we're not allowed to talk about them ever.
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Dec 3, 2015 02:56
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Dead shooters are man and woman This is kind of interesting regardless of whether it's white people, muslims or other non-whites. Women are pretty rarely involved in this sort of crime.
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Dec 3, 2015 02:59
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Police Radio says there is a police detonation of "the device", dispatch is telling officers to expand the perimeter and take cover behind the cars.
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Dec 3, 2015 03:19
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Welp... Multiple sources from multiple agencies identified one of the three attackers at the resource center to NBC News as Syed Farook. No other information was available, but a knowledgeable source said another member of the trio is believed to be Farook's brother. edit: NYT also going with workplace dispute angle http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0 posted:Some investigators said they believed that one of the gunmen had worked at the facility and recently had a dispute with fellow employees, according to law enforcement officials who did not want to be identified.
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Dec 3, 2015 03:24
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Xandu posted:Welp... From the USPOL thread http://state-employees.findthedata.com/l/7794090/Syed-R-Farook
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Dec 3, 2015 03:26
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Xandu posted:Welp... Who the gently caress uses pipe bombs for a workplace dispute and booby-traps their apartment for police to find. I don't buy that theory, but I also don't buy the Farook name.
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Dec 3, 2015 03:37
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If the reports are accurate, it seems like the guy was going to do this anyway, and used whatever argument took place as an excuse to do the deed. They were certainly prepared - both in terms of their mental state and equipment - for a large attack.
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Dec 3, 2015 03:37
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Yoshifan823 posted:Who the gently caress uses pipe bombs for a workplace dispute and booby-traps their apartment for police to find. I don't buy that theory, but I also don't buy the Farook name. It's possible, maybe he got fired or somehow felt aggrieved and had been planning this for a while and then somehow decided on today to do it. Would be odd though with 3 people involved.
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Dec 3, 2015 03:38
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Arkane posted:If the reports are accurate, it seems like the guy was going to do this anyway, and used whatever argument took place as an excuse to do the deed. They were certainly prepared - both in terms of their mental state and equipment - for a large attack. Yeah, they at the very least knew how to GTFO after the deed was done. CNN is really chasing the terrorism angle, which would be good if I didn't get the feeling they want foreign terrorists.
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Dec 3, 2015 03:40
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Yoshifan823 posted:Who the gently caress uses pipe bombs for a workplace dispute and booby-traps their apartment for police to find. I don't buy that theory, but I also don't buy the Farook name. They haven't found any pipebombs, just pipes that turned out to not be bombs
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Dec 3, 2015 04:06
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Yoshifan823 posted:Yeah, they at the very least knew how to GTFO after the deed was done. Wars and terrorism mean ratings
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Dec 3, 2015 04:06
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html Daily Beast has a picture of him and reporting that he is (was) married, had a young child, and owned a home. Graduated high school in 2003, which would make him 30-ish. EDIT: Daily Beast may have ID'ed the wrong guy as the shooter. Arkane fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Dec 3, 2015 |
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Dec 3, 2015 04:06
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Xandu posted:It's possible, maybe he got fired or somehow felt aggrieved and had been planning this for a while and then somehow decided on today to do it. Would be odd though with 3 people involved. They could have all three planned to do it today, and then he went into the party to scope it out or make sure his targets were already there or something like that.
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Dec 3, 2015 04:10
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Arkane posted:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html This doesn't make any sense to me. I thought the whole reason the Syad Farook name was brought up because there's a person with that name in the records who worked for the department of health, and he would have been a coworker. This guy apparently works elsewhere. Same name wrong guy, does he have two jobs, or did some internet detective do a piss poor job (again)?
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Dec 3, 2015 04:18
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Yoshifan823 posted:This doesn't make any sense to me. I thought the whole reason the Syad Farook name was brought up because there's a person with that name in the records who worked for the department of health, and he would have been a coworker. This guy apparently works elsewhere. Same name wrong guy, does he have two jobs, or did some internet detective do a piss poor job (again)? Heard on a stream that witnesses said he was seen there today but hasn't worked there in a while. How long is a while I have no idea but no one is saying it's absolutely him.
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Dec 3, 2015 04:21
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Fox 10 stream has the news room debating whether or not to air the name of guy everyone is broadcasting http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news-now
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Dec 3, 2015 04:24
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Gropiemon posted:Heard on a stream that witnesses said he was seen there today but hasn't worked there in a while. How long is a while I have no idea but no one is saying it's absolutely him. But I'm p sure there are two. This guy in the article, and the guy who works as an environmental health whatever. A comparison.
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Dec 3, 2015 04:27
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Yoshifan823 posted:But I'm p sure there are two. This guy in the article, and the guy who works as an environmental health whatever. A comparison. Second job?
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Dec 3, 2015 04:30
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Yoshifan823 posted:But I'm p sure there are two. This guy in the article, and the guy who works as an environmental health whatever. A comparison.
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Dec 3, 2015 04:31
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Mormon Juggernaut posted:Second job? Dealey Plaza second shooter! Illuminati confirmed! For reals though, I had this pegged as middle aged, middle class white. I guess two out of three ain't bad. Edit from link above quote:“I haven’t heard anything. He worked in a county office,” Farook's dad told The News. “He’s married and has a kid. We’re estranged because my wife got the divorce, and they are together. She doesn’t want to see me.” I'm misreading that, right? E: yeah, mom living with her son. It's been a long day. Maker Of Shoes fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Dec 3, 2015 |
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Dec 3, 2015 04:33
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Kurt_Cobain posted:http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/suspect-involved-calif-massacre-identified-article-1.2453471 Ok, so the Daily Beast article found the wrong guy.
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Dec 3, 2015 04:35
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Remember when we had a bit of totally having found the boston bomber until it came out it was some dude who's actually been missing and his family was all 'oh my god what's wrong with you loving idiots'
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Dec 3, 2015 04:37
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Maker Of Shoes posted:I'm misreading that, right?
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Dec 3, 2015 04:37
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRNJNlCGduM Next to impossible to see what exactly is going on, but it looks like 5+ people assaulting the place. kiiinda?
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Dec 3, 2015 04:43
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Yoshifan823 posted:Ok, so the Daily Beast article found the wrong guy. Not entirely sure, are you basing this off of that FindTheData link with the state employment information? The Business Taxes Representative position only payed $15k in cash a year, so that very well may be a part time or legacy position, and the health specialist position was his full time gig. Unless I'm misunderstanding how to read that site. The Daily Beast got his employment info off of LinkedIn, so who knows how up to date that is.
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Dec 3, 2015 04:45
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A lot more information I'm sure will be released that will ultimately lead credence to which ever side you are really on. But to think that how many lives have been snuffed out to drones with no court order, how many "terrorist" have been carpet bombed with out a mandate, how many Americans (black) have died this year. It's all terribly sad. It's all just the worst. It's sad your little snowflake of an existence got melted before you became a beautiful butterfly. The world is plagued with reality that poo poo will ultimately kill you. I'm sorry that makes you upset. Channel that toward working towards altruism. Work towards making your self a better person. YOu can ban and regulate everything bad. Reality is simple it doesn't care. You will die. You will die alone. And that's it. I wish we could have humanity work together. We are a great species. We should at least try. But in the end we will continue to do what we are really good at and that is kill. It may not fit the narrative but if you want to ascribe to science you're a hyper advanced killing machine. Stop getting shot faced when you do your job.
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Wyld posted:A lot more information I'm sure will be released that will ultimately lead credence to which ever side you are really on. Um. Are you okay dude?
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Dec 3, 2015 05:04
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Reports that a real bomb was thrown at the gathering but did not go off.
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Dec 3, 2015 05:04
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Small Frozen Thing posted:Um. Are you okay dude? I am I've just survived rock center and the tree lighting. And then to try to go out and deal with the madness of security that is in our best interest. At some point I wish we put down the politics, we put down the bs, and we deal with the issues. Eh. I've listened to my BS you're right I'm drunk. Let it burn 😜
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Dec 3, 2015 05:13
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Arkane posted:If the reports are accurate, it seems like the guy was going to do this anyway, and used whatever argument took place as an excuse to do the deed. They were certainly prepared - both in terms of their mental state and equipment - for a large attack. What equipment? An SUV, some black clothes, and a couple of rifles and handguns? At least half the people on my block are equipped for a large attack by your standards. Not that I can speak for their mental states.
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Dec 3, 2015 05:18
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Loucks posted:What equipment? An SUV, some black clothes, and a couple of rifles and handguns? At least half the people on my block are equipped for a large attack by your standards. Not that I can speak for their mental states. Pipe Bombs, Bombs, IEDs, ect
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Dec 3, 2015 05:19
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Black Baby Goku posted:Pipe Bombs, Bombs, IEDs, ect You mean alleged pipe bombs that ended up being...pipes? I have a pipe in my car to help break lug nuts loose. Does that mean I'm equipped too?  Or do you have better sources than I do? Feel free to cite something verified. All this moved quickly, and I didn't just sit online all afternoon. Edit: well hell, abcnews says that an explosive device was found at the shooting site. If that's true then I guess I'm wrong! To be perfectly fair it's pretty simple to slap together a pipe bomb. Admittedly people don't just have them hanging around for no reason though. Loucks fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Dec 3, 2015 |
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Dec 3, 2015 05:25
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Loucks posted:You mean alleged pipe bombs that ended up being...pipes? I have a pipe in my car to help break lug nuts loose. Does that mean I'm equipped too? For what it's worth, police chief was heavily hinting at it during his second press conference. Tons of talk about how the scene around the bodies and the car made it very difficult for investigators to assess the scene.
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Dec 3, 2015 05:26
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Regardless of what equipment they had (I agree that a few rifles, SUV, etc. does not make an arsenal or something), there must have been some preparation. Maybe not for this specific event, but something. You don't just come home pissed off from a party, tell your wife and brother (or whoever) that you're going to go shoot up your coworkers, and have their response be "gently caress yeah dude lets suit up and roll!"
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Dec 3, 2015 05:30
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Loucks posted:You mean alleged pipe bombs that ended up being...pipes? I have a pipe in my car to help break lug nuts loose. Does that mean I'm equipped too? you are a dumbass (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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this part especially: You mean alleged pipe bombs that ended up being...pipes? I have a pipe in my car to help break lug nuts loose. Does that mean I'm equipped too? 
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Loucks posted:What equipment? An SUV, some black clothes, and a couple of rifles and handguns? At least half the people on my block are equipped for a large attack by your standards. Not that I can speak for their mental states. Oh so it's only a minor attack. I was worried for moment but I guess it's fine.
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Dec 3, 2015 05:35
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Anosmoman posted:Oh so it's only a minor attack. I was worried for moment but I guess it's fine. To be perfectly fair it's pretty simple to slap together a pipe bomb.
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Anosmoman posted:Oh so it's only a minor attack. I was worried for moment but I guess it's fine. My point was that we can't conclude that these people were gearing up for an inevitable attack based on having black clothes and a couple of guns, but sure, feel free to interpret my post however you like.
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