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Dogstoyevsky: Oct 9, 2012; If there is no Dog, everything is permitted

The Welfare Lobby posted:

B and: D: George Ball option

Yeah I think we gotta do this. We can ratchet up Civil Rights later and behind the scenes.

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I Am A Robot: Jul 1, 2006

A
D: Nuke em. Turn Vietnam into a Fallout amusement park. Charge high ticket prices in order to fund The Great Society.

Also this thread is giving me serious Escalation vibes.

# ? Dec 6, 2015 17:32

fronz: Apr 7, 2009; Lipstick Apathy

I endorse the amusement park plan.

# ? Dec 6, 2015 17:51

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

A

C

# ? Dec 6, 2015 18:05

Nessus: Dec 22, 2003; After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!

QuoProQuid posted:

B.

D. George Ball Option: Continue training and removal of troops in accord with current plans, but begin sending out diplomatic feelers to the North for a compromise solution to the crisis based on some application of a self-determination principle. The American contact should be handled through a nongovernmental man (possibly a reliable newspaperman) who can be repudiated if anything leaks. If / When we can hammer out general principles for the negotiations, we use the South's aid dependence to get them aboard.

We've got a narrow window where we can distinguish ourselves from past American administrations to the North. Though we ought to continue the tough rhetoric at home, we cannot miss the opportunity to end a senseless conflict in a drat little pissant country.

Combine D. with informing Big Minh that he has about one year to hold an election whose results he will abide by, or else he's not getting a fart in a high wind from us. If necessary, show him "Jumbo."

# ? Dec 6, 2015 20:08

twerking on the railroad: Jun 23, 2007; Get on my level

Nessus posted:

Combine D. with informing Big Minh that he has about one year to hold an election whose results he will abide by, or else he's not getting a fart in a high wind from us. If necessary, show him "Jumbo."

"If necessary"

# ? Dec 6, 2015 20:41

Ibogaine: Aug 11, 2015

B

D: Ball option

# ? Dec 6, 2015 20:43

Xenophon: Jun 28, 2003; by FactsAreUseless; Grimey Drawer

A

D: Balls

# ? Dec 6, 2015 20:50

Cream-of-Plenty: Apr 21, 2010; "The world is a hellish place, and bad writing is destroying the quality of our suffering."

A. Give a long speech about the importance of ideas, civil rights, and "true democracy" that might be achieved (in the future) through some kind of "hivemind machine" that turns the president into a living avatar of 300 million voter-thoughts.
D. Nuke Vietnam; turn those rice paddies into glass noodles.

# ? Dec 6, 2015 21:02

Peta: Dec 26, 2011

C.

D. Nuke Vietnam.

# ? Dec 6, 2015 21:07

oystertoadfish: Jun 17, 2003

B D^balls, that sounds like a fun vaguely plausible idea. use rhetoric to deceive the conservatives, the better to blindside them with legislation when possible

# ? Dec 6, 2015 21:59

QuoProQuid: Jan 12, 2012; Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

Nessus posted:

Combine D. with informing Big Minh that he has about one year to hold an election whose results he will abide by, or else he's not getting a fart in a high wind from us. If necessary, show him "Jumbo."

An actual election would probably end with the Communists winning in a landslide. It isn't happening. Our best hope is to use Minh as our "bad cop," who will remain in power unless there are massive concessions for the Catholics and nationalists in the South.

# ? Dec 6, 2015 22:06

fronz: Apr 7, 2009; Lipstick Apathy

Look, we're going to have to press the big red button at some point. Might as well get it out of the way now. We can say it's what JFK would have wanted or something.

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stoutfish: Oct 8, 2012; by zen death robot

vietnam is a quagmire, the only solution is nuclear fire

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fat bossy gerbil: Jul 1, 2007

B, D

Civil rights is much too divisive an issue in times as trying as these. Taking a strong stance now is just going to rile up congress at a time when we have to appear large and in charge. Give civil rights lip service but keep congress guessing as to our new administrations true goals for this issue while we shore up political loyalties and try to stem the tide in Vietnam.

D - Keep US force levels the same and puppet regime in place but increase covert operations inside North Vietnam while speeding up our training and recruitment of a South Vietnamese army. Begin gathering intelligence with the goal of widespread assassination of key communist military and political officials over the coming months - let's try and cut the head off the snake before it has a chance to bite. It won't stop the communist threat in the long term, but we can try and stall the north long enough to train an effective force capable of defending itself without the help of our own troops.

# ? Dec 6, 2015 22:26

Sheng-Ji Yang: Mar 5, 2014

QuoProQuid posted:

B.

D. George Ball Option: Continue training and removal of troops in accord with current plans, but begin sending out diplomatic feelers to the North for a compromise solution to the crisis based on some application of a self-determination principle. The American contact should be handled through a nongovernmental man (possibly a reliable newspaperman) who can be repudiated if anything leaks. If / When we can hammer out general principles for the negotiations, we use the South's aid dependence to get them aboard.

We've got a narrow window where we can distinguish ourselves from past American administrations to the North. Though we ought to continue the tough rhetoric at home, we cannot miss the opportunity to end a senseless conflict in a drat little pissant country.

same as this

# ? Dec 6, 2015 22:34

overdesigned: Apr 10, 2003; We are compassion...; Lipstick Apathy

B.

And I gotta go with

QuoProQuid posted:

D. George Ball Option: Continue training and removal of troops in accord with current plans, but begin sending out diplomatic feelers to the North for a compromise solution to the crisis based on some application of a self-determination principle. The American contact should be handled through a nongovernmental man (possibly a reliable newspaperman) who can be repudiated if anything leaks. If / When we can hammer out general principles for the negotiations, we use the South's aid dependence to get them aboard.

We've got a narrow window where we can distinguish ourselves from past American administrations to the North. Though we ought to continue the tough rhetoric at home, we cannot miss the opportunity to end a senseless conflict in a drat little pissant country.

as fun as "just loving nuke them now" sounds it also probably ends the cyoa pretty quick so eh.

# ? Dec 6, 2015 22:36

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

QuoProQuid posted:

B.

D. George Ball Option: Continue training and removal of troops in accord with current plans, but begin sending out diplomatic feelers to the North for a compromise solution to the crisis based on some application of a self-determination principle. The American contact should be handled through a nongovernmental man (possibly a reliable newspaperman) who can be repudiated if anything leaks. If / When we can hammer out general principles for the negotiations, we use the South's aid dependence to get them aboard.

We've got a narrow window where we can distinguish ourselves from past American administrations to the North. Though we ought to continue the tough rhetoric at home, we cannot miss the opportunity to end a senseless conflict in a drat little pissant country.

# ? Dec 6, 2015 22:47

RudeCat: Aug 7, 2012; The rudest cat for the rudest jobs

Cream-of-Plenty posted:

A. Give a long speech about the importance of ideas, civil rights, and "true democracy" that might be achieved (in the future) through some kind of "hivemind machine" that turns the president into a living avatar of 300 million voter-thoughts.
D. Nuke Vietnam; turn those rice paddies into glass noodles.

We have to plan ahead

# ? Dec 6, 2015 23:12

fade5: May 31, 2012; by exmarx

QuoProQuid posted:

B.

D. George Ball Option: Continue training and removal of troops in accord with current plans, but begin sending out diplomatic feelers to the North for a compromise solution to the crisis based on some application of a self-determination principle. The American contact should be handled through a nongovernmental man (possibly a reliable newspaperman) who can be repudiated if anything leaks. If / When we can hammer out general principles for the negotiations, we use the South's aid dependence to get them aboard.

We've got a narrow window where we can distinguish ourselves from past American administrations to the North. Though we ought to continue the tough rhetoric at home, we cannot miss the opportunity to end a senseless conflict in a drat little pissant country.

This right here, for both.

overdesigned posted:

as fun as "just loving nuke them now" sounds it also probably ends the cyoa pretty quick so eh.

Agreed, I want this CYOA to go on for a while, and nuking Vietnam would change things so radically that we'd be completely out of known history right from the start. (Also it's pretty much going against the entirety of LBJ's persona given the Daisy Ad.)

Maybe rakovsky maybe could do a small "in the fever dreams of Barry Goldwater" addenda/non-canon update where the nukes do fall, so that "use nukes" isn't constantly popping up w/r/t our new handling of Vietnam (unless we end up doing what LBJ did anyway :v:

# ? Dec 6, 2015 23:13

oystertoadfish: Jun 17, 2003

if yall really want the OP to write up a 'lbj causes armageddon' post yall could ask him to consider it but it's not a good play for the lp imnsho for the reasons already mentioned

edit just realized the above post covered all the ground this post covered and more OH WELL

oystertoadfish has issued a correction as of 23:29 on Dec 6, 2015

# ? Dec 6, 2015 23:26

Jewel Repetition: Dec 24, 2012; Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

C
D

# ? Dec 6, 2015 23:28

Nessus: Dec 22, 2003; After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!

QuoProQuid posted:

An actual election would probably end with the Communists winning in a landslide. It isn't happening. Our best hope is to use Minh as our "bad cop," who will remain in power unless there are massive concessions for the Catholics and nationalists in the South.

So what, are you saying we're going to lose the Catholic vote?

# ? Dec 6, 2015 23:30

Thump!: Nov 25, 2007; Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!

Aww hell this looks like a really fun thread. I wish RSF had more of these :buddy:

QuoProQuid posted:

B.

D. George Ball Option: Continue training and removal of troops in accord with current plans, but begin sending out diplomatic feelers to the North for a compromise solution to the crisis based on some application of a self-determination principle. The American contact should be handled through a nongovernmental man (possibly a reliable newspaperman) who can be repudiated if anything leaks. If / When we can hammer out general principles for the negotiations, we use the South's aid dependence to get them aboard.

We've got a narrow window where we can distinguish ourselves from past American administrations to the North. Though we ought to continue the tough rhetoric at home, we cannot miss the opportunity to end a senseless conflict in a drat little pissant country.

Agreeing with this choice, with the addendum that LBJ is gonna whip Jumbo out to force Ho Chi Minh to submit to his will.

# ? Dec 7, 2015 01:59

rakovsky maybe: Nov 4, 2008

If the "nuke them" (who? North Vietnam who we aren't at war with? South Vietnam our ally?) option had won I probably would have treated it more like a Nixonian mad bomber scheme where LBJ tries to come off as a stringent anti-communist who might use tactical nukes in Vietnam unless all sides come to the table. Or something like that.

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oystertoadfish: Jun 17, 2003

i googled to find out if lbj could cuck ho chi minh but apparently he left his wife behind in china when he was exiled and despite a few attempts at contact they died never seeing each other again. the vietnamese regime invested a lot in rhetoric about ho's celibacy, apparently, because it exemplified his devotion to the project of socialism in vietnam, so they still deny her existence to this day

anyway be warned, any attempt to cuck ho chi minh would backfire

# ? Dec 7, 2015 02:29

fronz: Apr 7, 2009; Lipstick Apathy

rakovsky maybe posted:

If the "nuke them" (who? North Vietnam who we aren't at war with? South Vietnam our ally?)

Yes.

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KaptainKrunk: Feb 6, 2006

A
C

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Lord of Pie: Mar 2, 2007

except replace the rowdy trout with Jumbo

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Abner Cadaver II: Apr 21, 2009; TONIGHT!

B, D: Ball option

I really want to end up with LBJ personally present at a peace conference. Jumbo deserves an international stage.

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Grey Fox: Jan 5, 2004

Alternate reply:

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R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

I immediately ship enormous stores of arms to North Vietnam for our comrades in Ho Chi Minh's army to use in finally throwing off the yoke of their French oppressors. God willing, a unified and communist Vietnam can be achieved with the aid of the United States.

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The Puppet Master: Apr 9, 2005; Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me. I'd fuck me hard.

this is a good thread

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Bryter: Nov 6, 2011; but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers

B, C

# ? Dec 9, 2015 17:36

R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

The Puppet Master posted:

this is a good thread

to break character for a moment, is this your copy? i have one and i can't for the life of me tell if it was made by right-wing critics of lbj or by the left wing of the democratic party as double satire

# ? Dec 9, 2015 17:37

The X-man cometh: Nov 1, 2009

oystertoadfish posted:

i googled to find out if lbj could cuck ho chi minh but apparently he left his wife behind in china when he was exiled and despite a few attempts at contact they died never seeing each other again. the vietnamese regime invested a lot in rhetoric about ho's celibacy, apparently, because it exemplified his devotion to the project of socialism in vietnam, so they still deny her existence to this day

anyway be warned, any attempt to cuck ho chi minh would backfire

Sounds like this dame hasn't been satisfied in a while. Let's take care of that.

# ? Dec 9, 2015 18:41

Nessus: Dec 22, 2003; After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!

The X-man cometh posted:

Sounds like this dame hasn't been satisfied in a while. Let's take care of that.

Are you suggesting that we take Jumbo to Red China?

# ? Dec 10, 2015 01:46

The Puppet Master: Apr 9, 2005; Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me. I'd fuck me hard.

Homework Explainer posted:

to break character for a moment, is this your copy? i have one and i can't for the life of me tell if it was made by right-wing critics of lbj or by the left wing of the democratic party as double satire

Have a newspaper article from 1968

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oystertoadfish: Jun 17, 2003

Nessus posted:

Are you suggesting that we take Jumbo to Red China?

only jumbo could go to china

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The X-man cometh: Nov 1, 2009

Nessus posted:

Are you suggesting that we take Jumbo to Red China?

Beat that pussy Nixon to the punch.

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