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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate_by_decade The only thing I'm seeing here is that the amount of guns a country has doesn't really correlate to the amount of violence going on there, or even the motivations of the violence happening. We have America at the top of gun ownership by leaps and bounds, yet it's a pretty safe place to live. Probably because America isn't actually drone striking itself, yet. If there was any correlation between gun ownership and violence America should be the most dangerous place to live on the planet, or the safest. Depending on your bias. Meanwhile you have a place like Honduras that is middle of the pack gun ownership wise, but leading the world in murders. Which if there was any correlation, it should be a dangerous place to live, but not the most dangerous. Or Canada that is also middle of the pack gun ownership wise, but incredibly safe. Then there are literal war zones like Syria and Iraq with strict gun control and low gun ownership. Correlation would mean they should be either a nearly violence free utopia or a war zone. Those places have played both roles multiple times over the millenia, but were like that long before guns were ever invented. . Of course there are also places with nearly no gun ownership, and nearly no violence, like Japan. The numbers are garbage though. Those ones specifically are from Wikipedia, which is questionable at best. The biggest problem is that these numbers are averages. America has really dangerous places comparable to third world countries in the middle of an ongoing civil war, and places as safe or safer than pristine European socialist utopias. The other problem is how do you get accurate numbers in a place like Mexico that is very near a failed narco state on the brink of civil war? Or a place like Japan where the criminal justice system looks like it's out of an Onion article, and who knows what metric they are using to measure the statistics they publish. Or America where an objective study is impossible because any one capable of funding a good one is completely biased to the outcome. We can't really make a rational informed decision because the data just isn't there. You could probably spend as much money and effort trying to get the information to make a decision as just picking a decision at random and going whole hog with it. The bottom line is that guns are a core part of American culture. Americans loving love guns. They stockpile them, maintain them, carry them every where, name them and sleep with them. Americans love guns just as much as they love Jesus. Guns are not a part of Japanese culture, they have anime instead. Guns aren't a part of British culture either. They like curry, tea, and avoiding the dentist at all costs. Muslims don't like Jesus at all, they prefer Allah, throwing gays off tall buildings, and owning women as property. Some of them really like guns, and some of them don't. Americans only recently decided that women aren't really property and maybe throwing gays off roofs isn't cool. But even then it really wasn't so much throwing gays off roofs as dragging them behind your truck or imprisoning them until they died. If Sandy Hook didn't get Americans to give up guns, even a little, nothing will. In a lot of other countries a Sandy Hook would have been enough, and in some cases a similar event was the catalyst to go all the way with gun control. You want to fix gun violence in America, you're going to have to get at it through alternative means. Gun violence isn't even the disease. It's a symptom. In fact it's more of a sub component of the symptom that is violence. If you take the guns out of a violent persons hands, you still have a violent person, he just won't shoot anyone. Violence isn't even the most pressing issue facing Americans. People are dying more from just being to loving fat, driving poorly, and drinking so loving much their organs start failing, or they start driving poorly, or they become violent. Violence in America is less of an issue today than at nearly any other point in time, and the trend is that it's going to keep going that way. Harrower fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Dec 5, 2015 |
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It seems like America has a Chicago problem rather than a mass shooting problem.
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Dec 7, 2015 03:09
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Are there any good studies on how much full on Feinstein wet dream gun confiscation would cost? Are there any bad studies? Apparently we can't afford a great wall of Trump (unless mexico pays for it), but rounding up 300 million guns and doing something (destruction I assume) is trivial and there is no reason it can't be implemented immediately.
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Dec 12, 2015 15:57
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Mass shootings didn't really exist until feminism started to take off. Really makes u think.
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Dec 16, 2015 15:50
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