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kiminewt posted:I mean, yeah, definitely this is a bad thing. But the way that the tweet mentions Hitler and George Floyd is a hilarious level of attempted emotional manipulation. Boss baby vibes. Germany is complicit in a genocide and that's a cop constricting someone's airway. Seems pretty apposite to me.
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kiminewt posted:I mean, yeah, definitely this is a bad thing. But the way that the tweet mentions Hitler and George Floyd is a hilarious level of attempted emotional manipulation. Boss baby vibes. 1. Israel is commiting a genocide, like hitler 2. Cops around the world are cracking down on pro Palestinian demonstrators How is that emotional manipulation?
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kiminewt posted:I mean, yeah, definitely this is a bad thing. But the way that the tweet mentions Hitler and George Floyd is a hilarious level of attempted emotional manipulation. Boss baby vibes. 
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Apr 27, 2024 14:09
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kiminewt posted:I mean, yeah, definitely this is a bad thing. But the way that the tweet mentions Hitler and George Floyd is a hilarious level of attempted emotional manipulation. Boss baby vibes. Maybe Israel should be manipulated into not committing mass murder?
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Apr 27, 2024 14:15
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kiminewt posted:I mean, yeah, definitely this is a bad thing. But the way that the tweet mentions Hitler and George Floyd is a hilarious level of attempted emotional manipulation. Boss baby vibes. Because there are obvious historical parallels between Israel’s treatment of Palestinians with Nazi treatment of Jews and obvious parallels between two incidents of police putting their knee on someone’s neck. Glad you find it hilarious though.
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Apr 27, 2024 14:25
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I'm not saying the parallels are wrong, they're just presented in a way I found to be funny. But the guy isn't a journalist and more importantly this is D&D so I shouldn't have focused on the style rather than the substance. Sorry for the derail.
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The parallels between slaughtering children and police choking people to death seem more substance than style but hey I think Arabs and black people are human. So what’s funny? Please explain. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Frankly, I dont remember Boss Baby doing either of those things
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Guy who has studied multiple historical crimes against humanity watching what’s happening with regard to Israel: getting a lot of “crimes against humanity” vibes from this…
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I don't think Kiminewt was trying to downplay anything, just noting how often those two examples have been used. Boss Baby meme is about having a limited frame of reference. Anyways, they do get used a lot, but good rhetoric is about hammering on facts immediately ubiquitous among the public, and the US public has a more visceral reaction to the Holocaust than IDK, the Argentinian Dirty War. Dandywalken posted:Frankly, I dont remember Boss Baby doing either of those things Looks like someone hasn't read the Boss Baby charter Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Apr 27, 2024 |
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https://twitter.com/DSAWorkingMass/status/1784215258439073912 A rather striking video of agents provocateurs shouting antisemitic slogans before being swiftly (but peacefully and in an orderly manner) ejected by the protesters. Unfortunately the counterprotesters' tactic worked in the short-term: https://twitter.com/DSAWorkingMass/status/1784219701515612662 I'm glad someone took video of this, because it's extremely clear that Northeastern's version of events is not what actually happened.
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...ce=articleShare Times has an article up about the pier.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...ce=articleShare
Dozens of Gazans have died from causes related to malnutrition and dehydration, and the United Nations’ World Food Program has said half of Gaza’s population of 2.2 million is starving. A million people are literally starving, but only dozens have died. Such an unbelievable ratio! How wonderful! It's not even a big deal at all it sounds like. Many Gazans have died seeking aid, including more than 100 who were killed while trying to get food from an aid convoy, according to Gazan health officials, and more than a dozen who drowned while retrieving airdropped aid that had fallen into the sea. Love to see the publication that has repeatedly published Israeli atrocity propaganda with zero evidence or independent corroboration is still doing this. Really gotta appreciate good western journalistic integrity and ethics. I kinda wonder who killed hundreds of people according to the perfidious Gazan health officials, but oh well, if they didn't think it was important to say who murdered (wait, sorry, 'killed') hundreds of civilians trying to get food so as not die slow agonizing deaths then it must not be important.
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Giggs posted:It really makes it clear how performative this action is. Disgusting and infuriating. “The pier will initially enable the transfer of about 90 truckloads of aid per day, the official said, and will eventually ramp up to 150 truckloads per day at full capacity.” 150 truck loads is going to be a approximately 300 Metric Tons of food aid a day, perpetually. That’s about 661,386 pounds a day. A western diet is usually 3-5 pounds of prepared food day. Food aid is going to be more efficient weight wise than that. It’s enough to feed everybody once they get it going. That’s the opposite of performative. It’s also very fast as a logistical feat. They should have started on it sooner. January or February instead of March.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:“The pier will initially enable the transfer of about 90 truckloads of aid per day, the official said, and will eventually ramp up to 150 truckloads per day at full capacity.” It's still too little too late if Israel even lets it in at all, and the US has the ability to pressure Israel to let more aid in right now, you absolute ignoramus. More aid than this pier could hypothetically let in eventually if everything goes well is lined up at the border today, right now. Israel (with the backing of the US) is the only thing preventing that aid from entering Gaza. I cannot overstate how stupid or willfully blind you have to be to think this pier nonsense is not performative, even if everything goes to plan, which it absolutely will not.
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Apr 28, 2024 02:21
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HazCat posted:It's still too little too late if Israel even lets it in at all, and the US has the ability to pressure Israel to let more aid in right now, you absolute ignoramus. I want you to think about this part right here. We very obviously don’t. This is an insanely complicated, dangerous, and expensive thing to do. If we have that influence we don’t make this choice.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:I want you to think about this part right here. What are you talking about? Israel gets billions of dollars in military aid from America, we can just yank the leash whenever we want. The fact that we haven't doesn't mean we can't, it means we don't want to.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:I want you to think about this part right here. If you don't believe the US could force Israel's hand here (by cutting off financial aid, by refusing to send weapons, by announcing they will no longer veto anything in the UN regarding Israel, by supporting real financial sanctions on Israel), you are just extremely stupid, I'm sorry. The US is sending this boat as busy work. They want to delay any actual measures that will help Palestine, and the appearance of doing something is in service of that and nothing else. They are going to hand control of the pier, control of inspections, and control of distribution over to the same force that they know is executing unarmed civilians and burying civilians alive in mass graves. The US is actively, willfully, complicit the genocide of Gaza. The pier is not going to change anything. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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A pier also lets America scapegoat Ansar Allah for Israel's starvation campaign. "We tried to provide food by ship but the darn Houthis won't let us!"
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Gripweed posted:What are you talking about? Israel gets billions of dollars in military aid from America, we can just yank the leash whenever we want. Or it’s rather more complicated and not simplistic. Think about something like optics. They make optics used in Abrams, Strykers, anti missile and anti drone systems, etc. There are types of reactive armor, parts of night vision systems, parts of missiles, etc. They’re way up our military supply chains’ asses for a pretty large number of components on a large number of systems. It should not have been allowed. It means this all is connected to other issues like Ukraine (and even Taiwan). Isreal knows it. It’s possible all that is going to begin to untangle, but that’ll take decades.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Or it’s rather more complicated and not simplistic. So in response to the threat of loss of foreign aid, Israel would respond by curtailing it's own international trade? That doesn't seem like a sensible move for Israel, they'd need to start scraping together all the pennies they could if they suddenly had pay for their Iron Dome themselves.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Or it’s rather more complicated and not simplistic. If you believe Israel has this level of power over the US, and you know that Israel is committed to preventing aid entering Gaza and that the US is giving full control of the pier over to Israel, by what mechanism do you think the pier is going to lead to increased aid entering Gaza? By your logic, the US will have no leverage to compel Israel to do anything, and so they'll do the exact same thing with the pier as they are with aid trying to enter from land routes, and the US will be exactly as powerless to intervene as they are right now.
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moths posted:A pier also lets America scapegoat Ansar Allah for Israel's starvation campaign. Lmao. Where are the Houthi’s? Where is this pier? Have ya checked a map? HazCat posted:The US is actively, willfully, complicit the genocide of Gaza. The pier is not going to change anything. Many decades of allowing them to integrate into our military supply chains allowed this. This is the consequence of decades of choices. It is our fault. But it’s also not active or willing. There’s a relatively straightforward test, for positions of this discussion. Gaza is going to get fed or not. We should know the outcome in the next month or so as things either get going or don’t.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Many decades of allowing them to integrate into our military supply chains allowed this. This is the consequence of decades of choices. It is our fault. But it’s also not active or willing. Again, if Israel has that level of power over the US, and the US is giving full control over the pier to Israel, how is this going to be any different to the aid that Israel is already preventing from entering Gaza? Through what mechanism (that does not also apply to the aid waiting at the land border) will Israel be compelled to allow aid through the pier?
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Gripweed posted:So in response to the threat of loss of foreign aid, Israel would respond by curtailing it's own international trade? That doesn't seem like a sensible move for Israel, they'd need to start scraping together all the pennies they could if they suddenly had pay for their Iron Dome themselves. This whole thing is incredibly stupid for Israel. This is in the interests of an authoritarian and the authoritarian religious political movements inside Isreal, it’s all disastrous for Isreal externally as a state.
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HazCat posted:the US is giving full control over the pier to Israel, You should re-read the times article.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:You should re-read the times article. The NYT article posted:At the Larnaca port, Israeli representatives will be present as Cypriot authorities inspect items, according to an Israeli official with knowledge of the inspection plans. The NTY article posted:As usual, the convoys will need to coordinate their movements closely with the Israeli military. The NYT posted:Several previous attempts at delivering aid to Gazans have ended in deadly tragedy. This month, Israel struck a convoy belonging to World Central Kitchen, killing seven of the group’s aid workers. Israel has also bombed an aid warehouse on at least one occasion, a strike it said was targeted to kill a Hamas commander. How does the existence of a pier change Israel's pattern of denying aid, murdering aid workers, and intentionally starving Gaza? If the US cannot influence Israel to let aid through by land, how does the pier change anything? 'Well, let's just wait and see, we'll know if it changes anything at some later point' is why the pier exists. It's a stalling tactic to relieve pressure on the US to act to force Israel to stop committing genocide.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Lmao. Oh it's absolutely a stretch, but watch what happens. This is why Americans aren't taught geography.
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HazCat posted:It's a stalling tactic to relieve pressure on the US to act to force Israel to stop committing genocide. They could have stalled with words. That’s a lot cheaper and far less risky than doing this.
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Pretty amazing that the US still gets the benefit of the doubt, but I suppose it makes sense if you feel personally invested in them being any kind of moral good. The US is now, and has historically, done nothing but aid Israel's attempted extermination of the Palestinian people. The US government and military bears full moral responsibility for this genocide, among many others. I feel like this shouldn't be controversial to say at this point, but the propaganda machine is still very strong. Let me put it plainly: if you consider yourself a good person, you should be praying for the destruction of the IDF and the US military. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Bar Ran Dun posted:They could have stalled with words. That’s a lot cheaper and far less risky than doing this. If the US cannot pressure Israel to let aid in by land, how will they pressure Israel to let in aid by pier? Stop dodging this, you intellectual coward.
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HazCat posted:If the US cannot pressure Israel to let aid in by land, how will they pressure Israel to let in aid by pier? A pier on which US soldiers are physically present on, that is US military equipment is not the same as the ground border crossing from Egypt or the Israel/Gaza crossing There’s nothing to dodge. They’re very different things both materially and legally. The extraordinary claim is that they are equivalent.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:A pier on which US soldiers are physically present on, that is US military equipment is not the same as the ground border crossing from Egypt or the Israel/Gaza crossing How does aid go from US personnel to a needy Palestinian via this pier without any intermediation from Israel? There needs to be some security at the point of aid distribution, especially when there’s American personnel involved. The only security force in Gaza the United States considers legitimate is Israel.
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Best Friends posted:How does aid go from US personnel to a needy Palestinian via this pier without any intermediation from Israel? There needs to be some security at the point of aid distribution, especially when there’s American personnel involved. The only security force in Gaza the United States considers legitimate is Israel. UN WFP is going to organize it. Pier to UN warehouses in Gaza. Warehouses to distribution points. “The World Food Program will help distribute aid inside Gaza after it arrives at the pier, the U.S. Agency for International Development said last week. Trucks coordinated by aid groups will transport aid from a secure area near the pier to U.N. warehouses, of which there are more than 20 across Gaza, and then eventually to hundreds of community kitchens, shelters, smaller warehouses and other distribution points throughout the region.” It’s in the article.
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moths posted:A pier also lets America scapegoat Ansar Allah for Israel's starvation campaign. If the Houthis shoot at ships carrying aid they should be condemned. But given that they haven't, and nobody is making the claim that they are, you're making up something to be mad about when there are plenty of real things.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:UN WFP is going to organize it. Pier to UN warehouses in Gaza. Warehouses to distribution points. And then what happens when there is a security threat, or, a “security threat,” to the pier? How close are these UN and WFP personnel, any one of whom the US may at any moment decide are actually Hamas, allowed to get to US personnel? Right now the US and Israeli line is that anyone in Gaza, including aid workers and UN personnel, are potentially terrorists, but there’s no need for security between Americans and these people? https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/13/world/middleeast/rafah-gaza-aid-israel-unrwa.html quote:The Israeli military confirmed that it had bombed an aid warehouse in Rafah in southern Gaza on Wednesday, saying it had “precisely targeted” and killed a Hamas commander in an attack that the United Nations said also killed at least one aid worker and injured 22 others. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/15/israel-gaza-aid-hamas-shooting/ quote:Three people interviewed by The Washington Post who said they went to meet the trucks Thursday night said they saw an Israeli helicopter and drones randomly firing on Palestinians who had gathered to receive the aid. Gaza is not prevented from getting aid due to logistic challenges. Rather, Gaza is not getting aid due to Israel not wanting Gaza to get aid, and this pier does not change that whatsoever. Especially when the pier is administered by the country that says Israel can do whatever it wants. Best Friends fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Apr 28, 2024 |
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The whole pier thing is honestly really dumb. If aid can't reach Gaza the problem is not physical logistics it's politics and red tape. Acting like the pier is critical to humanitarian relief just sounds hollow. Cairo is a few hundred km from the Gaza strip. The US military has boasted about its logistical capabilities in other parts of the world. And yet suddenly it's not is a really small distance?
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hadji murad posted:All the while the subject population gets bombed with US weapons with full diplomatic support for it. Calories for some, you and your entire family obliterated for others. Serves them right for sheltering in the same building as someone who's cousin picked up a cell phone that once received a call from someone in the same Whatsapp group as a suspected low-level Hamas operative.
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