mrmcd posted:

Why would the AKs and rocket launchers be in the booby trapped car? Those are your guns, you don't put them in the exploding trap car!

Or are we supposed to believe this is some sort of Home Alone type scenario where Hamas rigged an elaborate string and hot wheels contraption that fires a full clip at the IDF soldier trying to deliver food and medicine to a dummy inside the car wearing a wig and sunglasses?

ContinuityNewTimes posted:

Never again to us.

Fister Roboto posted:

https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1762931742841741368

America can't just tell other countries what to do, OK? We're just a smol bean, we're just a little guy.

It's genuinely insulting that they expect people to believe this.

Yureina posted:

SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

It is not complicated.

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you're right, it's not complicated at all! especially when you're talking to americans, who most still remember 9/11 as an incident where the peaceful nation was minding its own business was suddenly subject to unprovoked terrorist attacks, which incited a righteous war of retribution that 'maybe' ran a little too long but was ultimately a good thing because look at all of the bad guys we killed. and we even got saddam hussein and osama bin laden!

so now we've got a situation where, prior to oct 7th, most folks did not know or care about the situation between israel and palestine. maybe they've heard something about gaza being the world's largest open-air prison, but who really gives a poo poo? all of that stuff is over there, and we're over here. it doesn't matter. and even if someone DID happen to hear something, isn't israel just trying to exist? they're a defensive state formed in response to antisemitism and they went through the holocaust, we should have pity on them because they're the plucky underdogs. plus, there are some bad guys who keep shooting rockets at them for no reason! completely unprovoked, israel is just sitting there minding their own business! the US went so far as to design them a special missile defense system, so that means israel is our friend and therefore DEFINITELY the good guys.

so then oct 7th rolls around, and holy poo poo are you loving kidding me? the bad guys weren't satisfied with constantly shooting rockets at cities, they just HAD to bypass millions of dollars of defensive military hardware so they could attack a music festival and gun down scores of innocent people because their bloodlust wasn't sated by random attacks anymore, they had to get down and dirty and kill civilians firsthand. do you understand how messed up and evil that is? what are they going to escalate to next? it's totally understandable that israel would want to get rid of them, even if a few bystanders get caught in the crossfire - especially since many of those bystanders are convenient human shields at best and outright collaborators at worst. the US did the same thing in the middle east, and we won, so what's the trouble? they'll win eventually, and they seem to be making great progress so far, so we won't have to hear about it for very long.

The Sean posted:

And that's why I gave two scenarios and presented a case assuming the best of faith to explain why they weren't well-received (which was something they stated to be bothered about).

I did not make a specific assumption and only reply to that.

I think for someone who is acting in good faith that contrast would be valuable to explain why it could be interpreted as bad faith. That could be a valuable thing to learn for someone really looking to get up to speed on this topic of discussion.

SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

Using overwhelming military force to cripple the country's ability to do a genocide seems fundamentally different than using overwhelming military force with the intent of committing one.

Esran posted:

Thanks, but I don't think I want to be IK'ing this thread. Is it normal to appoint people IK without asking first?

Raenir Salazar posted:

backseat modding, posting about the forums

BRJurgis posted:

Don't make me an IK though, I will never use buttons I wanna let people tell the forums who they are.

Raenir Salazar posted:

I actually meant to hit the report button not the quote button.

Synthbuttrange posted:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/disturbing-recordings-crying-infants-played-israeli-quadcopters-lure-gaza-residents-shooting

Hi israel what the gently caress. I mean even beyond the usual evil poo poo this is like seriously evil poo poo.

https://twitter.com/TameeOliveFern/status/1780000647712309374

cat botherer posted:

Children can be so cruel.

Charliegrs posted:

Oct 7th and decades of suicide bombings showed that yes they are savages. Like I'm no fan of Israel but come on are people really trying to say Hamas are the good guys here? I want freedom for the Palestinians like every other sane person but I draw the line at defending Hamas.

Marenghi posted:

It's not an absurd conspiracy theory to think a civilian massacre wasn't the purpose of Oct 7th.

It was pure chance that a musical festival was happening along the path for Hamas to take to military targets.

Giggs posted:

The location was explicitly hidden (from everyone) until the last minute (the 5th I think). Literally no one knew where the festival was going to take place, not even the organizers, given that the location was changed to Re'im from some other original intended location.

Just about every major publication after October 7th concluded that Hamas couldn't have known about it beforehand and that they were surprised. Given the severity of your implied accusation it would be nice if you either had a cursory knowledge of what you're talking about or did a single google or even bing to look up the extremely well established counter to your baseless insinuation.

I'd grab you a link but it's genuinely everywhere. No one disputes that the festival location was both explicitly a secret and changed at the last minute to be on the border of a concentration camp.

Marenghi posted:

I don't blame you for missing it. Immediately after the attack Israel and twitter was pushing the narrative that the music festival was specifically targeted by Hamas. The attacks on military sites were downplayed while the attack on the music festival was pushed to the front.

It took a while for the truth to come out that Hamas couldn't have known it would take place along their path to military targets.

Giggs posted:

I shouldn't have been lovely, my bad. I got annoyed by somebody else's absolutely deranged post, that's not your fault. Here's some more sources detailing that the location was not broadcast for months, and that there's no reason to believe anyone (e: I mean Hamas) knew about the festival when they launched.