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theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Biden has asked Israel to not do war crimes, but did he say anything about withholding military funds and whatnot? If not, then it's all talk

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theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/abc/status/1713300164390035556?s=46

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1714314827173175680?s=46

Mostly posting this because of the screenshot since it was eventually deleted. Probably felt that it made them look too much like the villain especially after bombing a hospital during their genocidal massacre

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Discendo Vox posted:

That's pretty appropriate, the problem is that the first version didn't go out with that context on source and verification.

The problem is that the second one is implying that the event is inherently misleading because the Ministry of Health is ran by Hamas. Reuters’ headline is better: “At least 300 dead in Gaza hospital bombing, local authorities say”

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/least-500-victims-israeli-air-strike-hospital-gaza-health-ministry-2023-10-17/

The implications aren’t as damning as AP’s.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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brugroffil posted:

The US governments official line for now is that bombing the hospital was justified

https://twitter.com/housetrotter/status/1714369451317997805

It is the official position of this administration that the genocide of Palestinians is justified. So long as they keep supporting Israel, they are supporting a genocide and ethnic cleansing.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Mid-Life Crisis posted:

If they don’t cross an international border it’s recognized by the United Nations as “internal displacement”, not “forced displacement”, which therefore doesn’t make it a war crime.

It’s still an ethnic cleansing.

And the US government can say all it wants about opposing genocide, but its actions speaks louder than its words. They keep protecting and funding a genocidal apartheid regime in Israel and vetoed a UN resolution that would have created a cease fire

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Mid-Life Crisis posted:

Wikipedia tries to list out the various sources https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_Hospital

Where are the doctors and patients supposed to evacuate to?

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/AkbarSAhmed/status/1715137995613852055

https://twitter.com/Rowaida_Abdel/status/1715139540782883074

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://x.com/CBSNewsPoll/status/1715123535515898173?s=20

https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1715167397886206297

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/BCFinucane/status/1715189022874591539

If you go to AP News and most of the major papers, that part is not there. However, a few news orgs still have the older version like Anchorage Daily News and WPRI, a news station in Rhode Island.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/sh_grewal/status/1715418185921699975?s=46

https://twitter.com/channel4news/status/1715437877604049094?s=46

theCalamity fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Oct 20, 2023

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/dimitrilascaris/status/1715137246431449451?s=46

Real strong “we investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong” from Israel and the US backing them up

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/osinttechnical/status/1715407002015297717
https://twitter.com/democracynow/status/1713900853818523840

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Google Jeb Bush posted:

Personally I feel that there is a distinction between "Israel prevents Gaza from having fresh water" and "Israel deliberately poisons Gaza drinking water" that isn't just pedantic. The latter extremely strongly implies somewhere between "has industrial contaminants they deliberately dump" and "deliberately acquires poison for the purpose" which is very very different from being huge shitheads on the logistics and infrastructure level.

that said, I like source posting a lot so this worked out, thanks

Like HonorableTB said, the end result is what matters, not the logistics. It’s pedantic especially when the intent is to make life hard in Gaza.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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At any rate, the Israeli government is a fascist regime hellbent on genociding Palestinians.

https://twitter.com/jonathan_k_cook/status/1715643961090445674?s=46

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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BUUNNI posted:

One of the leaders of the Democratic Party Sen. Schumer says wanting a cease fire is akin to supporting Hamas.

https://twitter.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1715489049459220839

Wow. Pretty out of touch considering that much of the people who consider themselves to be democrats support a ceasefire and want more aid give to Gaza.

Schumer has more contempt for those who want a ceasefire than the GOP who want to genocide trans people. Has he called anyone from the GOP a terrorist for their horrible policies?

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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ummel posted:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67181514

Cairo Summit: Arab leaders reject forced displacement of Palestinians

Arab states reiterating that Palestinians will not be displaced into other territory. Also, Israel apparently stating the aid cannot go into North Gaza.

It’s wild seeing even just a suggestion of ethnically cleansing Palestinians via a Trail of Tears-esque displacement method

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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After AP News removed, without explanation as far as I can tell, a part of their article about how US officials were told by their Israeli counterparts that they would kill innocent civilians in order to eradicate Hamas, I’m not going to completely trust their reporting on this conflict.

https://twitter.com/lrozen/status/1715175576250487263

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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The prophecy of Isaiah, the one where he says the Messiah will come back?

It’s insane that the US is supporting this religious zealot fascist and aiding him on his ethnic cleansing

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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mannerup posted:

I agree that Hamas likely isn’t telling the truth, but saying Palestinians are potentially untruthful is just more conflating of the two. Not great messaging from the President of the United States.

https://vxtwitter.com/jstein_wapo/status/1717252005683449925?s=46

Their estimates are good enough for HRW

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Hamelekim posted:

The Palestinian Ministry of Health put out a comprehensive list of the dead with name, age, and their ID number. Over 7000 dead with almost 3000 children dead. I wonder if this will change the language being used by the President in the US. I'm guessing it will be dismissed no matter what.

https://twitter.com/AseelAlBajeh/status/1717588222845354231

Biden et al probably won’t change their stance

https://twitter.com/joshuaphilll/status/1717616124471218364

It’s nice to see our liberal administration engage in genocide denial

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/akbarsahmed/status/1717597275755601933

https://twitter.com/akbarsahmed/status/1717597660725612989

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1748043285782753562

Biden says that the strikes aren’t going to make the Houthis stop but he’s gonna keep the strikes going

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Grip it and rip it posted:

Are you under the impression that Biden has a magical spell that he can employ to stop piracy? The whole point of the coalition is to degrade their capabilities and make the cost/benefit ratio of engaging in these kinds of actions skew.

Lobbing a couple dozen cruise missiles is just part of justifying the current US military budget. We will likely see US action in the region dramatically ramp up as broader conflicts kick off. The whole thing is a loving shitshow
There’s no need to be condescending. To achieve his goal of stopping the Houthis, continuing to implement air strikes that do nothing to achieve that goal is not productive and a waste of resources. By his own admission they’re ineffective but he’s gonna keep loving that chicken.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/OmarBaddar/status/1748500922034987013?t=cKME4h2ZEGQZ5i4QAWH_vw

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Trump being worse than Biden on this isn’t convincing to me since Biden is already doing poo poo that is beyond the pale. He’s already passed my threshold of what I can accept and shows no sign of getting better and every day that passes, his position gets worse and worse as the bodies pile up so saying that Trump would be worse is technically correct but it’s like the difference between being shot in the head with a shotgun or with a 50 cal.

Anyway

https://twitter.com/john_hudson/status/1748853055028703318

I’m not ready for another endless war in the Middle East

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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I can see being skeptical of what the dude is saying, but the initial complaint is about the account that posted the tweet and PressTV despite it being a video we can all just watch. We can attempt to infer why the video was put out and by whom, but as it stands, it's still words coming from a person speaking on behalf of the Houthis.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Kalit posted:

https://x.com/AJEnglish/status/1750926578152788426?s=20

Wow, that's really alarming. I would be normally be skeptical since it's Israel making the claim, but considering that UNRWA already terminated the contracts, it seems like a very credible claim. Here's the full story with more information: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/26/unrwa-probes-employees-over-suspected-involvement-in-october-7-attacks

E: I'm just talking about that first tweet. I'm not twitter-saavy enough to isolate it here without that second one...

Given the timing of the accusation and the entity making the accusation, I’m gonna provisionally declare that the claim is hogwash even if the UN terminated their contracts.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Google Jeb Bush posted:

The US was far from the only country to suspend - not abolish, not that it matters in the short to medium term - funding for UNRWA, but it was the first, and presumably impacted the other decisions. Switzerland thought about doing so in december for different nominal reasons. If I'm reading correctly, UNRWA can continue functioning as normal for another three weeks, but it's possible I'm misreading and that's the shut down date, not when it starts impacting Gaza assistance.

State Department messaging on UNRWA is a weird mess. At minimum, something very stupid happened behind the scenes in the administration (and Congress is being credulous dumbasses about it too).

It's the topic of the first half of this presser: https://www.state.gov/briefings/department-press-briefing-february-5-2024/ Summary: "we recognize unrwa's importance and look forward to the results of the investigation" "why are you suspending funding at a crucial moment based on the alleged actions of a small number of employees who were fired before the suspension" "good question. i have no idea. we recognize unrwa's importance and look forward to the results of the investigation"

Fake edit: several news organizations seem to have acquired the short dossier and the universal assessment seems to be "lol wtf"

This doesn’t address the assertion that the US defunding the UNRWA means that the US isn’t pressuring Israel. This is just “well other counties are doing it too and Switzerland wanted to do it before as well”.

I’m with the others. The US isnt really pressuring Israel to stop when Biden bypassed Congress to authorize weapon sales and publicly say that there shouldn’t be a ceasefire.

theCalamity fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Feb 7, 2024

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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cat botherer posted:

The Dems as a whole want UNRWA to be defunded. They're more than happy to play along with the IDF's nonsense.

It'd be nice to have a real opposition party in the US

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/MelechThomas/status/1757975009916514707?t=ihBAsEIbmqa9I1sAsQnMnA

This is pretty big. Good to see my denomination doing this

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Anyone remember how the Biden administration gave Israel until the end of 2023 to finish their campaign? That certainly came and went. Although according to Politico, Jon Finer, the deputy National Security advisor, said that the US wasn't imposing a hard deadline. Seems to be a running theme with this administration pressure against Israel, if you could even call it pressure

https://www.politico.eu/article/will-israel-defy-washington-target-hezbollah-lebanon-hamas/

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Kalit posted:

Wow..the US and Israel doesn't see eye to eye on the ongoing [now accelerated] genocide. Who could have guessed? :rolleyes: They've been disagreeing this entire time and the US seems to care too much about Israel as an ally to draw a hard red line up to this point.

Why are you bringing this up now, considering it's a months old articles with no recent updates?
I bring this up now because I just remembered and it's obvious why it lacking an update is an update itself.

The fact that the deadline was given with no repercussions is another piece of evidence of the Biden admin not really caring about the genocide outside of optics. They've been having so many "disagreements" you'd think that Biden would be a lot more forceful in his rhetoric and back that up by threatening to withhold financial and lethal aid instead of begging for more money for Israel and bypassing Congress to authorize arm sales.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Kalit posted:

Biden obviously cares more about Israel being an ally at the moment than taking steps to ensure that they immediately stop the accelerated genocide. That doesn’t mean he has to fully agree with their actions and doesn’t have an actual red line.

The Biden admin has no red lines for Israel.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-not-drawing-red-lines-israel-white-house-2023-10-27/#:~:text=7.,after%20ground%20operations%20in%20Gaza.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://x.com/CraigMokhiber/status/1759590460295647495?s=20

UN experts expressing alarm over allegations of the arbitrary execution of Palestinian women and girls, often with their family members including their children, the arbitrary detention of Palestinian women and girls, and sexual assault and threats of sexual violence.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1760001856388882895?t=qwuNvOxVbbpNgvyx-pobhA

They’re in a dangerous neighborhood. A neighborhood they made dangerous themselves.

And the excuse for still sending weapons is weak.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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“Arab backed” sounds like fearmongering. It’s definitely making me remember that one old lady who spoke to John McCain and said she didn’t trust Obama because he’s Arab. At the very least, it’s indelicate. Al Jazeera’s “Arab nations, led by Algeria” is a much better handling of it.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Moktaro posted:

Actually she said she didn't trust Obama because he was a Muslim. And then of course McCain responded with "No no, he's not Muslim, he's a good man". :wtc:

You may be misremembering it

Video of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrnRU3ocIH4

And an article about it
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/25/17782572/john-mccain-barack-obama-statement-2008-video

quote:

“I can’t trust Obama. I have read about him, and he’s not, um, he’s an Arab,” a woman said to McCain at a town hall meeting in Lakeville, Minnesota in October 2008.

McCain grabbed the microphone from her, cutting her off. “No, ma’am,” he said. “He’s a decent family man [and] citizen that just I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues, and that’s what the campaign’s all about. He’s not [an Arab].”

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Alchenar posted:

Context guys, the 'arab' accusation was that he was lying about being a natural born citizen and that his agenda was secretly to destroy America as part of a long term Muslim sleeper agent plot.

When McCain said 'he's a good guy' he's clearly refuting the wider conspiracy the woman was talking about.

I get that. But I said that “Arab backed” reminded me of that woman and they said that she said Muslim so I posted what she actually said.

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theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Esran posted:

Exactly. He specifically said that "We're close" and he was hoping for a deal by "next Monday".

He was lying. Neither Hamas nor Israel felt they were close to a deal, and both repudiated Biden's claim directly.

And we can't forget the context in which he said it: eating ice cream with Seth Meyers right before a primary

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