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Israel isn't committing a genocide of any kind. If they wanted to they could have done so at any time a long time ago, and probably saved themselves a lot of problems in having done it. Instead they spend extraordinary amounts of money trying to minimise casualties. The Iron dome didn't come about through staging a genocide it is a state of the art defensive system. Staging a genocide would involve manufacturing a PR campaign against your enemy first and foremost, it would probably involve scaling up casualties on your own side. You wouldn't build an Iron dome. You would put people in the way of targets, such as what "Palestine" and their majority elected government absolutely provably has. That's a war crime. It has been said before that if Palestine 'put down their guns' the conflict would be over. If Israel 'put down their guns' there would be no more Israel, and that's the truth. Palestine is and has always been a region, not a country. Nobody declared themselves a state until 1988, more than 20 years after Israel was there. Didn't apply for international recognition until 2011. There are many muslims and arabs living in Israel. There are no israelis or jews living in Gaza. There are mosques in Israel. After the 6 day war, yet another war started by its neighbours, Israel granted permanent Israeli residency to all people living in East Jerusalem. There is today a large muslim population because of that. Before the campaign in Gaza Israel evacuated a huge area closest to the Israeli border, and the best places to launch rockets from. What did Hamas do, they moved back with everyone else. Into schools, into hospitals, and launched their rockets from there. Israel isn't new in the area, they underwent an incredible amount of restraint before ever doing anything other than diplomatic about the terrorism problem. Now it seems like whenever this country does anything everyone is willing to jump down their throats. They are surrounded on all sides by internationally recognised terrorist organisations, which ideologically and theologically demand the extinction of jews. Not Israel, but rather literally the extinction of jews, the ethnoreligious demographic. Israel has a comprehensive set of rules that they follow in their dealings with terrorist threats. One of those rules involves the demolition of terrorist homes. That incentivises others who live in the home to turn terrorists in, to save the home. Israel has successfully reduced the threat to its citizens dramatically. Yet they still are attacked just about daily by what else, knives now, and stones. Still they haven't gone all Donald Trump about the situation, this should be a story of virtue.
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Gaza belonged to Israel. Israel after not being able to push a deal for a two state solution, took it in winning a war others started. Then decided "you know what, here, now you are your own state regardless of what you say." Gave Gaza back to its residents, along with its own government and left. Those residents then elected a terrorist theocracy, which immediately spent all available resources to start a new war with Israel. That resulted in the current situation, where Israel has set up a blockade for the purposes of having to babysit terrorists. Meanwhile do you realise that Gaza depends on Israel for everything it has? What is that, something Israel wanted? If at any point Israel doesn't reserve the right to re-enter Gaza, that poses a threat to Israeli citizens. If at any point Israel were to let down the blockade, that poses a threat to Israeli citizens. So what is the solution exactly that you propose, where one side is completely unreasonable. Two state solution? Gaza says no. Ok have your own state anyway. Gaza elects terrorists.
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Dec 17, 2015 16:21
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Cerebral Bore posted:Do I really have to post that one Menachem Begin speech about who actually started the Six-Day War again or what? Nasser declared war and then Iraq moved troops into Jordan, was it something like that? That seems approximately or exactly what happened. I feel bothered that I have to actually write that here or else people who don't do any research will just sit and assume that maybe Israel started the 6 day war, because that guy on the internet insinuated it. Effectronica posted:Israeli territorial annexations are all illegal under international law, both formally through the UN, and informally through lack of general recognition. Are you talking about east jerusalem, because other than that I don't know what you're talking about. Why not instead of being vague just talk about what you're talking about, for my benefit and everyone else. The situation with jerusalem is so ridiculous, it was being contested between Jordan and Israel in 1948. Then in 1988 the PLO decided that it was the capital of the state of palestine, the same time it decided palestine was a state. Dunno why you'd be talking about jerusalem in a response to a post which specifically only talked about Gaza. Other than the fact that you for some reason think Gaza is annexed by Israel.
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Dec 17, 2015 16:59
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Effectronica posted:You said that Gaza was Israel's, which is false because any territorial annexation would have been illegal, and false because it wasn't part of the Israeli part of the partition agreement, and false because, by the logic where Palestine isn't a real nation, Gaza is Philistine territory. Similarly, most of Israel is illegally-occupied Judean and Edomite territory. According to who, Hamas? Which one of the other terrorist groups said that. How do you get them to send their newsletter so far, so like do you have to pay for postage on that or do they cover it for you. Do you use a PO box, so that you aren't suspected of being a terrorist or terrorist sympathiser or how do you do it. There's a Golan Heights occupied territory. After a war there is always a period of occupation, to ensure safety. The territory was taken from Syria and Israel offered to resolve the occupation as quickly as possible with Syria, in exchange for a peace agreement. Which seems utterly reasonable to me. But not to Syria so it remains occupied. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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