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JBP posted:How come Trump didn't win 66% of the votes? Actually voting for them was too much for that second group?
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Mister Speaker posted:The thing that I will never get over about this poo poo is just how brazen Israel is about who and how they attack. Maybe this is a controversial opinion but it seems to me that - these days, at least - not even America acts with such wanton cruelty, dispensing death and misery so publicly and collectively to a people. I was thinking about this with the recent news that al-Zawahiri was killed by a targeted operation using a kinetic munition that is at least supposed to avoid collateral damage. And maybe I'm oblivious but I don't think the US military makes a routine practice of collectively punishing civilians in other countries every time there's a small incursion from them. They did that one time and it was huge and lasted decades but like, you know what I mean. Israel seems to do that poo poo every other day, and it's not even a secret that it's meant to be a punitive action. We've been indiscriminately bombing the middle east and northern africa directly or via proxies for a quarter century because some ex-allies got in a few good strikes on our periphery and one good hit on the heartland. Our last two presidents killed american children and we didn't care. Maybe the al-Zawahiri strike is a start of a new trend, but I recall we ended the afghan war by killing an aid worker, two other adults, and seven kids.
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Aug 6, 2022 17:49
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DelilahFlowers posted:Maybe not "Finally, they've given me an excuse to let my bigotry out in public"
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Oct 7, 2023 07:18
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:Are you aware military service is compulsory in Israel? It doesn't seem very fair to me that you deserve to be targeted simply because your grandparents moved somewhere and now it is "okay" to kill you because you have been forced into the military. That's only one of the many reasons Israelis get targeted. It really sucks, and a lot of the tactics being used are atrocities. If I'm going to blame anything it's the government. It's their job to ensure their populace is protected.
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Oct 7, 2023 19:02
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It is entirely possible to have nothing but sympathy for the Israelis killed or otherwise impacted by this, even the virulently racist ones, while at the same time condemning the Israeli government for the situation. Any immediate guilt is theirs alone. Any other considerations can be made once the occupation is over.
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Oct 8, 2023 10:52
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studio mujahideen posted:If something actually happened, it will reported on by real journalists. Blue check "OSINT" accounts claiming that they saw the baby and the baby looked at them are loving useless. Accurate, though most real journalists are also useless. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 9, 2023 07:42
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emSparkly posted:All I've been trying to say now is that Palestine is hosed and I certainly don't think they deserve it. It was pretty much how you described it, and I see it just becoming straight up trains to death camps now. But they're already in a death camp.
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Oct 9, 2023 08:43
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FlapYoJacks posted:https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1711333650950664196 As an organization they absolutely aren't. They, and the government that directs them, are the responsible, and guilty, parties for these atrocities.
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Oct 9, 2023 12:33
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zer0spunk posted:Those "buts" are always doing the heavy lifting ITT No whataboutism or massacre apologies needed. The massacres are atrocities, and the government of Israel is ultimately responsible.
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Oct 11, 2023 16:58
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alf_pogs posted:yeah big "oh the world learned nothing from 9/11" energy going on right now. Netanyahu calling it an act of mighty vegeance speaks volumes. vengeance famously begets, uh, nothing, right? Neocons learned something
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Oct 12, 2023 02:41
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Main Paineframe posted:That's not really true at all, at least in theory. "Specific military operations" and "definite military advantage" require something more concrete than that, and the principle of proportionality must be observed at all times. From the same page you got that quote from: In theory, though, the committers of genocide and aren't supposed to have massively armed and resourced allies with permanent veto power in the United Nations providing literal and figurative air cover for the furtherance of the genocide... so in practice Israeli military leadership is going to point at a location and give the equivalent of "they're coming right for us", just like they've been doing before the most recent massacres.
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Oct 12, 2023 20:09
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emanresu tnuocca posted:good points all, perhaps it would be advantageous if instead of echoing idiotic genocide and DTI talking points for a decade we would have focused on the reality that whether Israel should exist or not it does in fact not only exist but is the only state that exists between the river to sea and that as such it is incumbent upon the Israeli state to provide representation and basic human rights to its entire civilian population. It's a bad idea to not acknowledge that genocides are genocides. It is, indeed, incumbent upon the Israeli government to provide for the wellbeing of their populace and, instead, they've chosen to focus on helping half and crushing the other through various means including ethnic cleansing and genocide.
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Oct 13, 2023 10:30
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CuddleCryptid posted:This is a false equivalence. Yes, the people pulling triggers are to blame there, and the larger Hamas organization bears responsibility too depending on how planned this was. However, that is something that can be compared to a border guard shooting a doctor, not indirect fire. Yeah, the state's also responsible for when their prison population riots and kills a bunch of people surrounding the prison. That doesn't excuse the people doing the killing, but the government is the one most at fault.
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Oct 13, 2023 12:36
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:Those who spent time in concentration camps went after actual Nazis whom we directly responsible for the holocaust, not Klaus who happened to be a rifleman and mediocre cook on the Eastern Front. Are you certain about that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakam
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Mr Lanternfly posted:This is a subject I'm not familiar with so sorry if this is a stupid question, but... Not a political science strategist, but ever since the assassination of Rabin the strategy seems to be to drive Gaza into creating an excuse to cleanse the whole area while colonizing more and more of the west bank... so yeah, until either the birth rates drop or the death rates rise precipitously.
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Oct 13, 2023 13:48
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The line of questioning itself seems irrelevant since the answer is always 'shut the gently caress up about Hamas until the occupation is dealt with'. Like, it's all horrendous poo poo but save your energy for root causes.
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Oct 14, 2023 15:18
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Charliegrs posted:If Israel doesn't care whether a building is actually being used by Hamas for military purposes or not then why doesn't just systemically bomb every single building to rubble like the Nazis did in Warsaw Poland? Like how does their targeting work if they are just bombing random buildings? They're probably using the same type of systems that the US used to bomb an allied aid worker https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2021_Kabul_drone_strike
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Rakosi posted:IDF now saying they didn't warn the hospital at all, walking back and retracting their spokesperson's previous claim, and have posted what they claim is evidence that it wasn't them or hamas, but actually PIJ. I mean, they're responsible for it regardless of who fired the missile The IDF fired the missile
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Oct 17, 2023 21:13
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KillHour posted:Forget single missile - if it's confirmed to be a JDAM, it would make the Wikipedia list of largest air raids: It can go up next to Guernica.
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Oct 18, 2023 03:10
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Mid-Life Crisis posted:I’m not sure how a cease fire is actually beneficial to the complicated situation at hand. These are two militaries at war. One modern military, one entrenched street gang.
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Oct 19, 2023 11:34
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Nail Rat posted:This seems like a good thing to post a source for. https://www.reuters.com/world/canadian-foreign-minister-tells-citizens-leave-lebanon-now-2023-10-17/ https://english.alarabiya.net/News/saudi-arabia/2023/10/18/Saudi-Arabia-calls-on-citizens-to-immediately-leave-Lebanon
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Mid-Life Crisis posted:If they don’t cross an international border it’s recognized by the United Nations as “internal displacement”, not “forced displacement”, which therefore doesn’t make it a war crime. Strong "but it's actually ephebophilia" vibes
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Oct 19, 2023 14:49
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tiaz posted:don't get too clancychat TB, they often say poo poo like that and it amounts to "we can do what we want (but aren't doing anything right now (which does not guarantee that it will remain nothing))" At the other end of that spectrum we're assassinating their leaders...
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Oct 21, 2023 18:40
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Saladman posted:Hezbollah firing a bunch of rockets at Israel isn’t going to help Gaza any, and it’s going to make things a lot worse for a lot of Lebanese people. The more deterrent to avoid things getting into an even worse regional war the better. The only better thing they could do would be to stop Israel bombing Gaza and forcing them to supply water and allow Rafah to reopen, but avoiding Hezbollah-Israel going from lukewarm to hot is important as well. Any move that is not putting political and military pressure on Israel to end the occupation is supporting the same occupation. Rather than being important, it is actually participation in ethnic cleansing at a minimum.
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shades of blue posted:This is the most disgusting thing I have ever read on SA Don't worry... a rational discussion will surely change minds here...
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Mister Fister posted:Speaking of which: The youth today make me so proud.
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Oct 24, 2023 18:24
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Mister Fister posted:The fact that releasing hostages is a debateable thing is insane. I was going to suggest it wasn't really germane to the letter, but they included the right of return so yeah, I can't imagine not calling for the return of innocent hostages. I wouldn't go further than that unless the plan was to call for the release of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails as well.
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Mister Fister posted:The Cooper Union had a pro-palestine demonstration and they decided to head towards the school's library to protest jewish students there. They forced their way past security and the librarians had to lock the doors for the student's safety as they were chanting and banging on the doors. Police later escorted the jewish kids to safety. Not exactly sure how intimidating jewish american kids is supposed to bring peace to the middle east. The article repeatedly says both 'jewish' and 'pro israel' and while it's a literal hate crime to intimidate people because they're jewish it seems perfectly reasonable to shout down and scare off pro-israel people, so I'm curious what the real story is. lovely reporting.
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Kalit posted:In your opinion, is "shouting down and scaring off" not an intimidation tactic? Totally an intimidation tactic. Doing so because someone's jewish is a hate crime. Doing it because they're an rear end in a top hat who supports a fascist apartheid state is not. Doing it near a jewish person is also not a hate crime. It's the *because* that matters. Like... not OK to punch Richard Spencer in the head because he's a white guy. Totally ok to do so because he's a Nazi. Basically this: VitalSigns posted:Sounded like he was saying that whether intimidating someone is good or bad depends on who they are and why you're doing it.
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mannerup posted:if ethnic cleansing is actually their most grandiose goal, probably not a good thing to let them make progress towards that imo Hamas should be dealt with RIGHT after the occupation ends, or when the power differential shifts and Hamas gains the upper hand in personnel and equipment. Anything else just takes attention off of the primary problem right now... that being the current ethnic cleansing.
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Oct 26, 2023 18:17
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kiminewt posted:Relative to the population size, Oct 7th was 20 9/11s and it seems the réponse in Israel is proportional. The media and populace becoming very jingoistic and hawkish, repression of any dissenting thoughts, and lots of lots of quick decisions being made with support across the board that will have repercussions for decades. Indiscriminately killing your prison population because part of that population broke out of prison and killed people is never a proportional response.
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Neurolimal posted:FWIW I think they meant insofar as "everyone in Israel's freaking out and making the exact same mistakes as the US during 9/11" Proportional to the US's massively overblown and deeply self-serving reaction, absolutely.
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Willo567 posted:https://twitter.com/alihashem_tv/status/1718732303705284632 It would be a bad idea to announce that you're about to escalate the fighting.
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Oct 29, 2023 23:41
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i fly airplanes posted:How about an Iranian-funded terrorist group (actually designated as one) also carrying out mass killings in one of the richest and most developed populations in the Middle East? Can you believe Israel created the conditions to allow that to happen? Damning, really. And then all the genocide as a response to their own failure.
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Oct 30, 2023 02:19
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i fly airplanes posted:Would you consider America also responsible for 9/11? Yes, absolutely yes. Make war on the world... let realpolitik and cost dictate action... Yes, always blame the state. Particularly what that state's keeping a whole other population prisoner. The US govt is responsible for getting attacked on 9/11 and the Israeli government is responsible for Oct 7. Always... always blame the state.
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BUUNNI posted:America armed, trained, and funded the mujihadeen that planned 9/11 to weaken the USSR during their war in Afghanistan. America is thus responsible for 9/11 and the catastrophic military response to their own errors was an utter disaster. Don't forget how we also abandoned Afghanistan after the Soviets withdrew.
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socialsecurity posted:So when Ukraine released videos of POWs like this it was decried a warcrime, does this apply to Hamas here? As with the situation in Ukraine, if you're focusing on and complaining about the actions of the oppressed, you're supporting the oppressor.
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mannerup posted:Israel can go gently caress itself with this performative bullshit. 80 years later and Nazis are still putting stars on jews.
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:If the spokesperson of a group such states they are going to "10/7" again, again and again until the State of Israel is destroyed that is not going to lead anyone to peace or even a small ceasefire. So long as the state of Israel exists the Palestinians will never have peace
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