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Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

pesty13480 posted:

There are plenty of reasons why attacking a consulate is a great idea, if you're cynical enough.

1. There have been a lot of people questioning how much arms and money flow into Israel, seemingly just to grind Gaza into the dust a little harder without regard to the casualties of the women and children. Now each and every country involved in these transfers of arms can say to their concerned citizens, see, this isn't about grinding Gaza into the dust a little harder, it's about helping Israel defend itself from those Iranians. Note: It's still all going to be used to grind Gaza into dust without regard to the casualties of women and children.

It is entirely possible this is a gift to the American administration. At the very least it's a gift to the arms dealers who fund American politics via campaign donations and shady PACs. Half of the fun is to keep those companies lobbying their governments on behalf of Israeli decision makers. The money flows and a little heat is off the back of the US administration a bit. I can't be sure it works this way in other places, Germany for example, but I imagine every weapons-producing country is delighted by this, whatever they say publicly is whatever.

2. It actually a great distraction from what's going in Gaza, if you're the kind of person who really loves what's going on in Gaza, but thinks the people who are upset about it are harshing your mellow. It's probably a fine time right now to do all sorts of very interesting things to Gaza and the West Bank. The media has been historically on your side. A few little things like this are a great way to going back to the coverage you want. #2 is a stretch of course since nobody at all has cared about running distractions since this thing started.

3. Netanyahu cannot go to jail so long as Israel is at war. It is in his interest to keep some kind of conflict brewing, forever.

4. There's nothing to lose. No matter how many missiles and drones are sent, Israeli (and American) defensive systems are going to make short work of most of it. A few may get through, sure, but not enough to cause more than extremely light damage. A few people die? Whatever. Take a deep breath and ask yourself cynically, if the kind of of political decision maker who is content to grease refugee camps, hospitals, and what what, 15k to 20k non combatant women and children... if they would really care, deep down, if a few of their own people die in the process. If you're already comfortable with murder on that level what's a few more bodies?

5. It forces Iran into a Demonstration of Weakness. Iran gets to look comically ineffectual in its retaliation. This probably hurt Iran more than Israel, because Iran isn't just going to be installed resupplied by America and Europe once its stocks run low. People can make all the excuses they like that this is Iran just testing for future weakness, but that sounds like magical thinking to try to make Iran save face.

Edit: Grammar and diction.

This is a really good post. Iran has lowkey played a blinder by communicating the attack in advance to the US/Saudis and making clear it was a one-off though. Hope that one Bedouin kid injured in the attack recovers fully but Iran getting to say "we struck back" and Israel not getting to say "we're the victims" is a good outcome.

Only thing I'd disagree with is the prominence of Netenyahu. A lot of discourse about Israeli governance, even from Normally Good Lad Bernie, is centred on Netanyahu specifically and that's a really dangerous angle to take. The Israeli populace are broadly in favour of the ethnic cleansing, if Netenyahu and his administration were replaced tomorrow it would likely be something even worse taking their place.

There's a danger we're making Netanyahu into Batman at the end of Dark Knight; he can be the bad guy that did what needed to be done, no matter what heinous poo poo Israel does all the crimes fall on him with the implication that him leaving office is 'turning a new page'.

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Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

99pct of germs posted:

How many days will that US built pier last before Israel accidentally bombs it?

You're all massively underestimating the strategic strength of that potential pier. There's a reason the World Kitchen kilings were such a dramatic moment, lots of politicians don't like what Israel is doing but are scared of the lobby, if they kill 'our boys' or destroy 'our infrastructure' that's a moral justification to finally make a stand.

Be cynical about it taking too long, being a method for ethnic cleansing etc if you want but the pier would functionally be a US military/aid site. It would be a powerful geopolitical locum and it's extremely unlikely Israel would interfere with it.

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