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WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
meanwhile, in Israel,

quote:

It must be said out loud: The ascendance of the right is not temporary, the occupation is permanent and Israel is one state with two regimes: One is good, and does well by Jews; the other is bad, wicked and discriminates against Palestinians. Now it’s time to fight it.
Let’s say that everything the persecutors on the right dream of comes to pass. The New Israel Fund ceases to exist, likewise Breaking the Silence. Gideon Levy and Amira Hass disappear. Haaretz goes the way of Davar, Hadashot and Al Hamishmar, all of them newspapers of blessed memory. Meretz becomes moribund, Joint Arab List chairman Ayman Odeh complies with his detractors and shuts up, Isaac Herzog and his Labor Party maintain their chatty silence and Reuven Rivlin, our president, stops having opinions. The Messianic Age, indeed.
From early dawn to the last watch of the night we shall listen to the varied ideological range stretching from Erel Segal, Irit Linur, Hagai Segal, Sheldon Adelson and Baruch Marzel to Arieh Eldad, Yoaz Hendel and Israel Harel. No one will hinder them from turning Israel into a pariah state and from feeling, oddly enough, persecuted and pitiable because this strange world – democratic and law-abiding – will cast us out.
Dear readers, this is not some far-off nightmare of a persecuted leftist. This is the active ideal of many leaders and representatives of the right, perhaps even the majority of them. And I say: Let’s go. It’s important that this happens. We must not stand in your way. Just the opposite, you have our blessing, go forth and give it everything you have. You are in the government, you are the government, do with it what you will. And someday, perhaps, we will meet again in the voting booth (if such a thing will still exist).
For many years, the right could do whatever it wanted: to run riot in the territories, to annex and oppress, because the foolish left made it all kosher. When they built on the hilltops, stole land and disinherited the original inhabitants of the territories, we traveled the world and reassured Israel’s supporters and ourselves. “It’s temporary,” we promised. “Something will happen any time now.” Hillary Clinton will come and John Kerry will return, Barack Obama will speechify and Benjamin Netanyahu is at Bar-Ilan University.
And so, while the rhetoric of “two states” is victorious in the world of words, in the world of deeds the conquering right rules. And it is still hungry for more. The scorpion wants to kill the frog that carried it, over and over, across the pond.
The time has come for all the princes of the left and all its frogs to stop giving their services to the right-wing mechanisms of self-destruction that are being applied full-throttle in Israel today. We must admit, openly and unequivocally: The ascendance of the right is not temporary, the occupation is permanent and Israel is one state with two regimes: One is good, and does well by Jews; the other is bad, wicked and discriminates against Palestinians. From here on the battle is not over delusions of peace being just around the corner, nor over creating an illusory reality according to which any minute now, out of nothing, a separation agreement will appear and redeem us. This is a battle of life and death, between a bad one-state regime and one state that is good for both peoples.
The Israeli left (whose existence is uncertain) must say, without mincing words: We are fed up with being a little fig leaf for your big nakedness. Let’s see you go out into the world without our protection. Let’s see you boast again of Israel’s being “the only democracy in the Middle East.” A democracy of one vote, one ethnic group, one religion, one prime minister and one public opinion. There are models for this in the world, North Korea for example, and the international attitude toward it. You alone are responsible and you alone will bear the consequences.
It must also be said, to the same flaccid left: Don’t start now with empty claims of “responsibility” and “we must not abandon the state” and all the other things that end with sitting around the cabinet table. Israel’s hardball politics require two things that you don’t have. The first is to offer a full, complete alternative and to fight for it tooth and nail. The second is to allow for the ripening and completion of processes. No one appointed you the saviors of the right. Let Bibi-ism run its course and it will fall of its own accord. It will fall into your hands if you are ready with a worthy alternative.
Everyone must recognize the obvious. A cold (for now) civil war is raging in Israel, between Im Tirtzu and Breaking the Silence. The former is in power, and despite their whining they are the power and brute force at its worst. To defeat it, Breaking the Silence must become a large political movement that goes beyond the terrible “micro” of Hebron’s Shuhada Street, to completely break the silence surrounding the Israeli fraud: Israeli democracy is dying. In its current state it is the only semi-democracy in the Middle East.
And that is not enough. Whether we remain silent or not, whether we will it or not, these days are already here. The time has come to fight for the sake of a secular democracy that belongs to all its citizens, in which there is total separation between religion and the state, whose public resources are distributed fairly and transparently, where there is full constitutional equality between men and women, majority and minority, religious and secular, and which is peace-loving, generous, non-occupying and non-annexing.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.692851

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WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Israeli intransigence is making the eventual imposition of a one-state solution more likely and making the two-state preservation of the Jewish state less likely

basically the Israeli right is accelerationism for anti-Zionists

y'all should be happy

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
do u even minyan bro

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Main Paineframe posted:

Because it's prohibited by Jewish law, and mainstream Jewish authorities consider it risky and highly inadvisable to even set foot on the Temple Mount at all.

you might stand on the spot of the holy of holies and literally be dead, for instance

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.695633

quote:

Israeli passengers on a recent Aegean Airlines flight from Greece to Israel forced the cabin crew to remove two Israeli Arabs from the flight before allowing it to take off, according to a report by Israel Radio.

The incident occurred at Athens airport on Monday night, when Jewish Israeli passengers decided that the two Israeli Arab passengers on the flight constituted a security risk. After bringing their concern to the attention of the crew, they prevented the flight from taking off by standing in the aisles.

The two Israeli Arabs finally acceded to crew requests that they disembark, in return for a hotel room and compensation.

According to the airline, “an initially small group” of passengers “very vocally and persistently” demanded that two Israeli Arab citizens be “checked for security issues.”

With the flight unable to take off, the captain called the airport police, who checked the “documents and identities” of the two passengers and found nothing amiss.

But by then, “a much larger group of passengers” had begun protesting the presence of the two Israeli Arabs, “despite the assurances given by the crew, according to Aegean Airlines.”

The flight was delayed by more than an hour-and-a-half until the two Israeli Arab passengers agreed to disembark. Even after that, the group of passengers insisted that the crew conduct an additional security check, causing the captain to warn them that they would be forcibly removed from the plane without compensation.

At that point, the passengers took their seats and the plane took off for Tel Aviv.

"We again thank the two Israeli passengers who agreed to disembark for their understanding and collaboration and we apologize for the whole episode, which was indeed extremely unfortunate,” the Aegean Airlines spokesman said.

MK Michal Rozin (Meretz) called for an urgent meeting of the Economic Affairs Committee to discuss the incident. 

"The State of Israel has a responsibility to its citizens," Rozin argued. "I can't be that a commercial company, which has signed aviation agreements with Israel, allows itself to disembark passengers based on their physical appearance at the demands of (other) passengers."

Rozin continued, placing blame for the incident on government leaders, saying that "the prime minister and his ministers sow fear and hate through slander and incitement, and this is the result. The government must understand that marking Israeli-Arab citizens as potential terrorists leads to the loss of morals and values that endangers our future as a society."

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
You both missed "security services" in his post

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
meanwhile...

quote:

Even the staunchly pro-Israel French Socialist Party has had it with Israeli expansionism and aggression. French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius announced Friday that France would make one last push to restart diplomatic negotiations between Israel and Palestine, but said that if the endeavor failed then France intended to recognize the Palestinian state. Paris is obviously implying that the failure of diplomacy and the abrogation of the Oslo peace process are primarily the fault of the Likud government of Israel.

The French parliament urged recognition of Palestine in a vote in 2014. Sweden has recognized Palestine and a number of other European countries have raised the Palestinian mission in their capitals to the rank of full embassy.
This tendency toward recognition of Palestine holds severe diplomatic and economic dangers for Israel. Such recognition gives aggrieved Palestinians the possible right to sue Israeli squatters and the politicians backing them in European courts. Already, the French, British and Dutch governments advise their corporations not to do business with Israeli squatters on the West Bank, since they are opened to being sued by the actual owners of that land. The European Union recently insisted that squatter produce be so labeled and not be dishonestly represented as “Israeli.” Even the US State Department has backed the EU on this measure.

On Tuesday in an address on policy to the diplomatic corps in Paris, French President Francois Hollande had said,

quote:

“the Israeli-Palestinian conflict continues to be felt throughout the Middle East. It would be naive, dangerous even, to look the other way. Each day, we see the risk of a flare-up. Every missed deadline takes us further away from the two-state solution, which is nonetheless the solution backed by the international community. France has therefore once again taken the initiative, as announced by Laurent Fabius, of mobilizing the Arab actors and the European and American partners in the framework of an international support group and the Security Council. This proposal is still on the table and it is the only one, currently, that would enable the dialogue to be resumed.”

The remarks came after a review of French steps to fight terrorism, and it seems clear that establishing a Palestinian state is seen by Paris to be a form of counter-terrorism, having potential for tamping down tensions in the Middle East. Paris was hit by significant terrorist attacks twice in 2015, with most of the perpetrators being marginalized, angry French and Belgian second-generation Arab immigrants. Something on the order of 5% of French are Muslim, and that community tends to support Palestinian rights and to pressure the French government to do so. French Muslims vote heavily for the ruling Socialist Party in France, fearing the anti-immigrant sentiments common on the French Right, including among Gaullists.

France also has good and close relations with many Arab governments, and is pressured by them about Israeli mistreatment of the Palestinians, as well.

Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu has become more and more strident and arrogant in dealing with European and international politicians, acting as a sort of Donald Trump of the Middle East.

He recently has gone around accusing everyone from UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to Swedish Foreign Minister Margot Wallström of being terrorists for complaining about his oppression of the Palestinian people. (Netanyahu maintains, laughably, that Palestinian resistance activities have nothing to do with their being militarily occupied by the Israelis, and reacts to suggestions that he might by his policies be producing Palestinian violence with the casuistic charge that making this observation encourages terrorism). At the same time, his government just this week cheekily announced that it was stealing another 150 hectares of Palestinian land on the West Bank, which it had pledge in the Oslo peace accords to turn over to Palestine.

France roundly condemned the further land theft.

On Friday Fabius slapped down Netanyahu for his insults to Ban Ki-moon and lamented that “unfortunately the colonization [of Palestinian land by Israelis] continues.”

No American politician can call Israeli policy what it is, colonization, for fear of vicious reprisals by the bullies in the Israel lobbies.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Avshalom posted:

the romani people were in the exact same situation and somehow we've all forgotten how that felt. about 75% of europe's romani people died in the holocaust.

note that this is worse than the about 66% of European Jews killed in the Holocaust.

(although most estimates give it at 25%)

still, significantly bad

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WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/AASchapiro/status/840658095391068162

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