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Bozart
Oct 28, 2006

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Lord Koth posted:

Well, didn't get on quite at ground floor for this LP, but close enough. And always fun watching Grey Hunter LPs, and him obliterate his own fleet gloriously lead the nation he skillfully chose to complete victory.

As for a lucky ship, let's go with IJN Shigure. Maybe we can be even luckier than the real one.

I'd like to sign up for the USS Dunlap, hopefully we will meet again!

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Bozart
Oct 28, 2006

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Acebuckeye13 posted:

I'll claim the USS Whitney AD-4. Not the most impressive ship, but it's where my great-grandfather was stationed way back on December 7th, 1941. Please don't kill my great-grandpa, Grey! :ohdear: (Or my grandfather, or my great-uncle, but I digress)

So, uh, did Oswald do it?

Bozart
Oct 28, 2006

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Grandpachat:

My maternal grandfather was an american paratrooper but never jumped into combat. He got a purple heart somehow and after the war he was terrified of flying, because he might have to jump. Had some crazy tattoo on his shoulder, as well.

Bozart
Oct 28, 2006

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In 1944 the us developed closed loop aa guns - did they ever get deployed on a ship or even in the pacific?

As an aside this time saw some really amazing work in control theory from both both bell labs and Norbert Weiner.

Weiner extended control theory to become cybernetics, and the foundation of ai. He was a weird guy. He was Jewish and his wife owned a copy of Mein Kampf and was supposedly an anti Semite. He decided that computers were going to make workers obsolete and stopped doing new work for fear it would be misused.

Bozart
Oct 28, 2006

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I'd love to see a multiplayer move where the allies just scratch the garrison, lowering their AV, and then the soviets invade.

Bozart
Oct 28, 2006

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Epicurius posted:

Eri Hotta's "Japan, 1941" is also very good if you're interested in the internal dynamics of Japanese governmental decision making. Her book mostly focuses on the decision to go to war with the US,.

Here's a shot in the dark and slightly OT - is there an equivalent for Victorian England? Amazon only yields crap about poetry, sexuality, and barely reviewed surveys of the period. How the heck did they manage a world spanning empire? Doesn't help that I'm not a Brit.

Bozart
Oct 28, 2006

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dear loving lord

Bozart
Oct 28, 2006

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It was almost exactly a Battle of the Coral Sea that turned out decisively in favor of Japan, hence the scratch one flattop reference.

Now we'll see if having one more CV makes a difference in his midway!

E: wrong about where the wasp was lost!

Bozart fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Aug 3, 2016

Bozart
Oct 28, 2006

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That article is a great read. By 1945 the US was 50% of global GNP and was growing at 15% per annum. It was growing by more than Japan's total GNP every year.

Bozart
Oct 28, 2006

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Just a reminder of the approximate number of carriers coming from the US over the next few years... (from http://www.combinedfleet.com/economic.htm not WITP, but it should be somewhere in the neighborhood of right?)

pre:
United States	
	CV/CVL/CVE	BB	CA/CL	DD	Escorts	Subs
1941	-		2	1	2	-	2	
1942	18		4	8	82	-	34
1943	65		2	11	128	298	55
1944	45		2	14	74	194	81
1945	13		-	14	63	6	31
Total	141		10	48	349	498	203

Japan
	CV/CVL/CVE	BB	CA/CL	DD	Escorts	Subs
1941	6		1	-	-	?	-
1942	4		1	4	10	?	61
1943	2		-	3	12	?	37
1944	5		-	2	24	?	39
1945	-		-	-	17	?	30
Total	17		2	9	63	?	167

Bozart
Oct 28, 2006

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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

how do you post this list and not include Patton

He was certainly vain but his relationship to Bradley was more complicated, when Bradley was serving under him to keep tabs on Patton for Eisenhower, Patton certainly knew what was up, but maybe he was so vain he didn't give an f?

Bozart
Oct 28, 2006

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glynnenstein posted:

Patton was certainly anti-semitic and apparently didn't approve of prosecuting Nazis for war crimes. I dunno if he was entirely on board with Nazis exactly, but he made statements that suggest he viewed them as just another political option not unlike making the choice between Democrat or Republican. His letters home apparently are full of all sorts of terrible stuff. https://www.amazon.com/Patton-Papers-1940-1945-Martin-Blumenson/dp/0306807173

that book posted:

During the immediate postwar months of the Occupation, he could see that transportation was restored, that sanitation was practiced, that food was distributed, that heat was provided, that housing was rehabilitated. But the subtle nuances of political dialogue were beyond him. What did he care about German political parties? Why couldn't everyone forget the war and Nazism, and settle down to building a Germany that resembled his conception of America?

The older and simpler precepts that applied to an innocent America in his early California years shaped his view of the cosmos and society. His outlook was essentially white and Protestant, and he saw no reason why the virtues of that ethic should not apply universally, even in Bavaria.

The world was supposed to be an ordered entity, where class, wealth, and breeding conferred special privileges automatically on certain favored individuals. As for the rest, so long as everyone was dignified, clean, neat, and did his job well, he was entitled to respect - like Sergeants Mims and Meeks, one white, the other black.

So he was more really self centered than ok with nazis.

Bozart
Oct 28, 2006

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Or actually take port moresby?

Bozart
Oct 28, 2006

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Yeah there was basically no way the allies would win.

Bozart
Oct 28, 2006

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Grandpachat: one of mine didn't serve for some reason, drove trucks around NYC. The other was a paratrooper, never jumped into combat, got a purple heart during a glider landing, and was terrified of going on planes for the rest of his life.

Bozart
Oct 28, 2006

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Oddly the few japanese POWs were treated better than the interned japanese americans because the military treated POWs well but the civilian administration didn't. Or at least that's what NPR told me!

Bozart
Oct 28, 2006

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wukkar posted:

Did the Italian navy sink goddamn anything that wasn't Italian?

Technically they sunk a few british mines?

Bozart
Oct 28, 2006

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Wow that sure was a lot of local grudges, just a few bad apples killing 50,000 people I guess

Bozart
Oct 28, 2006

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I joined these forums and then found out im gay

Bozart
Oct 28, 2006

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Decoy Badger posted:

Trap sprung I guess, but the Avro Arrow really wasn't superior and it definitely wasn't cheaper. It was a massive clusterfuck of constantly inflating costs, with unit prices increasing almost 1000% over the development cycle, bespoke Canada-only critical parts (like the missiles, engines, radar), and political fuckery. On top of that the RCAF insisted on so many special adaptations that made the plane not only overly expensive, but also suitable only for Scandinavian air forces. Think the F-35 development cycle except worse, except that all the political mud-slinging made it falsely seem like a successful development program even to today.

I've summarized an excellent chapter from Charlie Foxtrot about it here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?action=showpost&postid=469449787

b-but my military industrial!!

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Bozart
Oct 28, 2006

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the katori (or whatev)

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