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Apr 20, 2007

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I'd like to claim HMAS Canberra. Lets hope if she gets sunk it's by Japanese Torpedo's and not (probably) American ones.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Why attack Tarakan? How would it be useful to hold?

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Apr 20, 2007

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To be fair, both Italy and Japan had their codes broken. The British from Malta wern't just targeting which convoy, they would target which SHIP in the convoy. The Japanese ships were clocked down to the minute to their location and a US sub would be waiting for them, and get confused when they weren't on time.Then they'd be helped when the target would helpfully report that they were late and be there an hour later.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Everything I've read says COMMIT ALL THE CV's or NONE OF THE CV's.

Don't do it! Send all or none!

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Apr 20, 2007

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A Japanese attack on Imphal, after marching for months? Surly history will guide you to great victory.

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Apr 20, 2007

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You need naval bombard an Australian city or town - the post war books written on the subject will provide the Australian Publishing Industry the jobs for the next 100 years. It will also distract the Military History SA thread on whether the Empire was going to invade down to Brisbane or not debate instead of talking about Tank Destroyers.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Why is Hankow so important?

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Apr 20, 2007

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How the hell did two huge carrier battle-groups get in SIGHT range of each other?

Also, isn't this the time to let loose the IJN's fast attack and heavy units to go into to main gun battery range? Like, this is what the entire strategy was built for!

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Apr 20, 2007

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So all up...a draw? No the decisive battle the IJN would want.

Which Admiral was in charge of this?

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Apr 20, 2007

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Why is the main battle fleet commanded by Captain Whosethatguy?

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Apr 20, 2007

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I dunno. Great Naval Battles of Milne Bay dosn't sound as good. You need a good back and forth war of attrition.

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This needs to go into the op. The myths and wrong facts this battle is going to cause will need a book of that magnitude to deal with.

Wait, was that Tanaka in charge of the Battleships? Well no wounder the chance played out I suspect. THIS is what the IJN should have been doing all along. The day of the end of the Battleship Is Not Here!


I take it back. Great Naval Battles of Milne Bay will make a good computer game worth playing in the Greyverse.

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Apr 20, 2007

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So with the success of Milne Bay, is Grey going to do an invasion of it?

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Apr 20, 2007

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Someone did land on the wrong island first. All probably part of yet another overly complicated IJN battle plan as devised by Rear Admiral Brain, with Commodore's Pinky's support.

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What units and commanders were involved in that disaster, on both sides?

I suspect Australia declares 12/12/1942 a national holiday - this time we're defending against the invaders and are on the other side of the fiasco. It completely over shadow's Tobruk, though I expect the AU division's to be recalled from the middle east.

There will also be endless debate on whether the invasion was actually serious or not.

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Apr 20, 2007

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I'm pretty sure Percival had weeks to build a defence, and when his head engineer asked why the hell he hadn't, he said it "might have lowered civilian morale".

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Apr 20, 2007

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So 2 Battleship captains decided to ignore the Queen Mary and just swan around on escort duty? Hell, shooting at the beach probably would have to deliberately miss the cruise ship sitting in front of it!

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Apr 20, 2007

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Murgos posted:

To be fair to Halsey here he was pursuing a massive Japanese carrier fleet and still couldn't be sure that the action off Samar wasn't a diversion. An hour isn't really that much time to deliberate.

He didn't know that the carriers were a toothless diversion.

But he DID know a major IJN operation was occurring, that the channel had been lit up, that a IJN task force had been headed straight for it (before turning back for a short time) and didn't leave so much as a PT boat to watch it.

Granted, he may have been playing War in the Pacific, and the UI probably caused it anyway.

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Apr 20, 2007

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TildeATH posted:

You can run night missions in and out at night--you know when it's dark--and if your first missions knock out the airfield it helps.

Are we deliberately trying to refight Guadalcanal?

Grey needs to put a lot more subs around it to stop resupply.

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Apr 20, 2007

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DD Sherman tanks will be used more heavily, so when the ships sink the tank can just drive off.

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Apr 20, 2007

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IJN post battle assement means those cruisers, battleships and destroyers were actually 3 fishing boats, a patrol boat and 2 extremely large fur seals.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Shouldn't it be worthwhile to detach some of those Battleships to go after the allied convoys too?

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Apr 20, 2007

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This youtube video may be relevant to this threads interests - The Sinking Sun - Time-Lapse Japanese Navy Losses - IJN - World War 2

A movie showing ALL the Japanese Navy losses from the start to the finish. You can clearly see how the Solomon's ripped the heart out, and when the central pacific drive started. The US is sinking everything and anything they want around the the area Macarthur was dammed to go return to, a YEAR before the end and is seems a large waste- just go to the main target, just north of it!

I hadn't thought you'd get IJN heavy units of 2 Battleships and a Carrier sunk many months after The Yamato, I always thought it was lot later and closer to the end too.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Paternal grandfather flew *something* in Papua New Guinea- he told my father it was just weather planes - which in Papua New Guinea was quite brave enough. Dad things he might have flown P40's at the point of the war they were obsolete, which is also a brave thing to have done.

Paternal grandmother helped build bombers of some sort..

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Apr 20, 2007

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I know there's a mil-history thread and I would never want this thread de-railed to destruction,. but the random diversions of history and other subjects is quite interesting. I have a half dozen books now due to this and the military history and Roman history threads. Shattered Sword and everyone who reads this thread should own it. That last bit about the Spanish Civil war I had no idea happened.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Why is a force with 10-1 odds in numbers NOT walking over them in a day?

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Apr 20, 2007

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OpenlyEvilJello posted:

15 June 1943

German minesweeper M-483, sunk in the Channel by RAF Whirlwinds.
Russian minesweeper Zashchitnik, sunk in the Black Sea by U-24.

Wait, Whirlwinds?? I thought they were out of service/obsolete in 1941.

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Apr 20, 2007

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"Captain! B17 inbound!"

"Right then, scuttle the ship. It will save everyone's time".


I suspect that gving up all the Bat poo poo is going to doom you all.

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So how will history look at this naval battle? The Japanese lose a carrier - was it through bad damage control, a super-overly-complicated-that-would-only-work-in-fan-ficton-battleplan, lack of radar, bad spotting reports or random luck by an American pilot who could hit a romprat that was smaller than 2 meters?

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Apr 20, 2007

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Only if theres a mod where your sim plays War in the Pacific Day by Day. While looking after a baby. And posting an update about it.


And the game always comes first.

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Apr 20, 2007

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gradenko_2000 posted:

Not for nothing, but there is a VASSAL module for The Campaign for North Africa

Has anyone ever finished it? How long would a lets play take for it?

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Apr 20, 2007

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Wait, what's it doing in the Pacific? I thought it was always in Euro and the Med.

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Apr 20, 2007

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So there are now MULTIPLE subs in Tokyo Harbour sinking ships within sight of the Imperial Palace? Someone's playing a game of Silent Hunter 4.

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Did the IJN ever come to the point "Hmm, these enemy submarines are killing us. We should do something about that"? Did no one ever think "Hmm, something seems to be wrong with our bloody ships today - there's always an enemy submarine waiting for us. Could our codes be...broken?".

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Apr 20, 2007

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So, What's the Operation called and how does it massivly overly complicate and mess up what should be a straight forward deployment that assumes the American's will walk into the trap? You can't have an IJN battleplan without that.

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Apr 20, 2007

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This was the decisive battle the IJN had been betting the war on. And looks like it was decisive...for the USN. Is someone going to re-do the cover for Shattered Sword?

Who was the Admiral in charge? History will not be kind to him I think.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Mycroft Holmes posted:

this whole war does not put a good light on the marines. they probably won't continue to exist as an independent branch after the war. they tried that in real life but the corps had good pr people.

Clearly they need their own carrier to provide close support, the navy cannot be trusted to do it! They could build some multi-role aircraft on small carriers...nah, why would you do that, clearly insane.

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Apr 20, 2007

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In this universes Star Wars, the rebels will land their entire fleet onto the Death Star and engage it on foot.

Well played AI Allied Admirals. This could be the turning point of the war!

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Apr 20, 2007

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Ikasuhito posted:

Imagine all the "what if" books that would be written about this event in this world.

I'm certain that one W.Churchill had the original idea. It almost worked!

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Apr 20, 2007

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Someone needs to write the conversation in the Japanese High Command when they discovered this.

I'm guessing no one wanted to admit to the mistake to the Emperor for 3 years.

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