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Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
I would like to call CVE Gambier Bay.

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Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
How does gameplay work for a Japanese player? Is it a "gobble as much as you can and then hold aa long as possible" strategy, or "constant fighting until you get pushed back and then a fighting retreat to hardened positions"?

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
Does invading those islands unlock kamikazes for grey?

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
One thing I love about this thread is when I see a flurry of activity I know something cool or devastating happened in the lp, or goons are arguing/geeking out/ranting about some historical ww2 point which is great as well.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008

TheDemon posted:

The AI has a set of historical and ahistorical plans that it deploys at more or less appropriate times. My guess is we're seeing it activate the Guadacanal plan.

If you know the plan, is it consider unkosher to run an exact counterplan? Or what is the general regard for knowing the meta?

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
This may have been talked about earlier, but can sunk ships be refloated/salvaged?

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
Besides the battleships, how is the American cruiser and do replacements? Could grey just murder all the escorts for carriers? Then with even 50 CVES they are fairly dead if they are piecing through.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
Is anyone knowledgeable about the Shinano or wargamed what that ship could do?

The whole idea of the carrier seems neat, making a carrier around the Yamato battleship hull, but the thing got sunk before it did anything. I'm curious to what people's thoughts are about its effectiveness had it deployed earlier in the war, advantages/disadvantages, etc.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008

Speaking of Taffy 3, in WW2 was there ever a horrifying amount of sinking that occurred for an invasion fleet like we are seeing? Battle Off Samar is the only thing I can think of and that was just a narrow dodge from disaster.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
Props to that one Warhawk pilot that saw all those enemy planes and helpless ships and said "I gotta get me some of that".

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
What exactly does a Japanese player do at the end of the war? No fuel, no ships, no planes, no pilots. Do they just pray for their pixel man's and press the next turn button?

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
Will we continue getting I 21 updates?

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
Actually what was the best branch and position to be in in order to save your rear end?

I would think european theatre, navy.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
I love when this thread has a bursts of new posts. Either something exciting happened in the L.P. or there is a cool ww2 discussion going on.

To contribute my grandparents.

My maternal grandfather was a marine during Guadalcanal campaign. He laid communication lines and he wasn't allowed a gun while he was doing it. I have his service machete which my mom says he never cleaned off, so family rumor is he had to use it in self defense at one point and that isn't rust.

My paternal grandmother had two husbands, a Canadian pilot and American Pilot (my grandad). Her first husband, the Canadian, flew planes for the lend lease act over to Britain. He suffered a mechanical malfunction and his plane crashed one year into the marriage. My grandfather, who had grown up with her, consoled her and they got married. Then my grandad was shipped off to Africa and Italy, flew the warhawk and was shot down over Cassino monastery and was presumed dead. He was actually captured and interned. Reason he was presumed dead is that armed pilots were getting shot over there instead of captured, but grandad never brought his service pistol with him.

Grandma who was understandably upset at the germans/Italians, joined up to go to war... And was sent out to Australia to work with wounded soldiers. She taught a lot of them how to play tennis as a way of helping them move around.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
Question, can you control the Chinese situation so well that you purposefully trigger the Russians and then farm them for points?

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008

gradenko_2000 posted:

It's been a while, but AFAIK:

* you don't have to ship the bombs there
* but the bombs can only be dropped by the specific B-29 squadron that historically dropped them

In this context I think it should be theoretically possible to prevent the bombs from being dropped if the Allied player decides to ship the B-29s from the West Coast across the Pacific and then the Japanese player manages to sink the transports carrying them. But then I think B-29s can do air-ferry transfers from the West Coast to Pearl Harbor to Guam, etc. anyway.

Do you send those planes without escort, or is it a good idea to have em escorted anyway?

Historically they flew solo real high right?

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008

Grey Hunter posted:

The time I accidently blew up a planet will forever be my worst mistake.
Here I think that the oil shortage shut down a load of production automatically and I didn't notice.

Can we get a link to that?

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008

Grey Hunter posted:

I much prefer the other death star story from the Paradox/DW game where I lead a world killer on a suicide mission to win a war between good and evil by blowing up the Ancient Evil races homeworld.

That's proper space opera, but not as good a story of the need for good interfaces.

I just like imagining the in game bureaucracy that would have had to happen.

Head Engineer: 2.3 trillion space bux for one DM3000 item? Better order two, one for backup. Look, that's 4 trillion even, I saved 600 billion! Let the accountants worry about the money pushing.

*Some time later*

Quartermaster: So... what do we do with this spare... death... moon... thing? I would really like it not to orbit here. Or anywhere near here.
Head Admin: Eh. just send it to the general deployment area all the other star cruisers go to. It'll be fine.

*Some time later*

Space Admiral: Alright, orders from supreme space admiral, straight from the emperor's mouth. We're taking all ordinance in system and kicking the rear end of those fury rodents.
Space Admiral Aide: Does... that include the death laser? Because it only has one weapon and it's "gently caress this planet up".
Space Admiral: Didn't you hear me? Orders from the emperor. If he wants to gently caress up a planet, he's going to use the death laser.
SAA: Yea but nothing in the orders says death la-
SA: Do you really think they would forget about the planet destroying weapon? Now warm up the hyper drives, I'm going to go get a massage.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
Does dive bombing do more damage (in real life) than just dropping the bomb? Like I feel the kinetic energy of the bomb in addition the explosion would do something, but I am hoping someone knowledgeable can go further into this.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
Cool, thanks for the info on the dive bombing folks.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
Question about pacific/Atlantic sea campaigns. Did the Panama canal get much use, or was shipbuilding more an east coast to east coast, West coast to west coast aproach? If the Japanese interdicted the canal would it have had much effect, or was that just not logistically possible for them?

Is it a possibility for Grey?

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
How long until these mass sinkings reach mainland papers in america?

Edit: update on prior page.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
Question for Kamikaze activation;

Are Kamikazes really good? I know it can cause quite the kerfuffle, but is the opportunity cost not worth it? Or would a good metagamey strategy be to try and get kamikazes activated early and then take the allied shipping to task?

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
Does Grey ever get access to the two I 400 subs? Are they any fun?

Is there any "experimental" weaponry that is modeled?

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008

Ikonoklast posted:

Since we are in on the topic of the Murmansk Convoys i would like to present to you the potential tank vs. u-boat battle on the north pole that sadly never happened:

"At the outbreak of the Second World War, Gradwell was commissioned into the Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve as a lieutenant. He was given command of the anti-submarine warfare adapted 575 long tons (584 t) Middlesbrough-built trawler MS Ayrshire, renamed HMS Ayrshire (FY 225), with a crew of volunteer fishermen.

Attached as part of the defensive net around Convoy PQ17, on receiving the third order to scatter on 4 July 1942, Gradwell concluded that as he was heading north to the Arctic ice shelf, he might as well take some merchant ships with him. Leading his convoy of Ayrshire and three merchant vessels – the Panamanian-registered Troubador, the Ironclad, and the American-registered Silver Sword – he proceeded north using only a sextant and the Times World Geographic Pocket Book, as his vessel lacked charts for this part of the Atlantic. On reaching the Arctic ice pack, the convoy found itself stuck fast, so the ships stopped engines and banked their fires. Gradwell arranged a defence, formulated around the fact that the Troubador was carrying a cargo of bunkering coal and drums of white paint: the crews painted all the vessels white, covered decks with white linen, and arranged the Sherman tanks on the merchant vessels decks into a defensive ring, with loaded main guns.

After a period of waiting, and having evaded the reconnoitring Luftwaffe aircraft, finding themselves unstuck they proceeded to the Matochkin Strait in Novaya Zemlya. They were found there by a flotilla of corvettes that escorted the four-ship convoy, plus two other merchant vessels, to the Russian port of Archangel, arriving on 25 July. Appointed Distinguished Service Cross on 15 September 1942, he later went on to command the ASW adapted whaler HMS Thirlmere (FY 206)"

This man was a great thinker.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
Those rebased planes are doing fairly good work. Is there a downside to having that many planes on the islands right now?

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
Are there any good movies or books about the fighting in China? I just can't wrap my head around it. Seems very different type of combat from the European theatre, and I keep picturing it like the Vietnam war in my head.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008

Mycroft Holmes posted:

your best bet is to got to the military history thread in a/t.

Good idea. Thank you.

Epicurius posted:

Here are various newsreel clips about the war between Japan and China in the 1930s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nzYDnihT1U

It's kind of choppy.

Oh this is neat! Thank you.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
Jesus. Taffy 3 was was a better defensive obstacle for an invasion fleet than what the AI is showing now.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008

PittTheElder posted:

How did the US handle shuttling supplies around the South Pacific in WW2 anyway? Did they bother to convoy it up, or was there a recognition that it was unnecessary, since the Japanese weren't using their subs for commerce raiding?

Convoys were not used as much, mostly for the reason you already hit on. Another reason is that the pacific campaign had ships hitting multiple areas, more spread out than concentrated on a single point (beyond Australia). I found a neat article breaking down the different supplies, problems and logistics that quartermasters faced here .

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008

acidia posted:

Based on a few minutes of research I think the next fighter that may push the air war back to parity is the Mitsubishi F-1. It's still a long ways out but research may have been rushed.

Only get 77 airframes produced though.

May as well hold out for the F2 airframe, at the very least you nearly get them in the triple digits.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008

dylguy90 posted:


Also, if you want to get gamey, you can resize any carrier-capable airgroup to the max carrier size (so like 100). You have to have a carrier in port for it to sit on and resize for a turn but whatever. There's also an IJA carrier capable bomber you can rush as well, which means you can resize like half your airgroups up to 100.

What does that do? Seems like it would cause massive efficiency penalties.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008

wedgekree posted:

... why are IJN PT Boats worth like ten points and USN ones worth one?

Also wowza.

Going way off base here, but I think the Japanese patrol boats were functionally destroyers.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
I was thinking "drat, the heroism of those PT boats saving the transports is going to be good propaganda for America"

Then I got further into the update and more ships kept sinking and then the PT boats died like all the rest.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
Those plane losses smart.

How noticeable is the drop in pilot quality now?

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008

Generation Internet posted:

I wonder where the American fleet carriers are

The world wonders as well.

Oh wait fack that's my lucky ship! Totally missed Gambier bay (and so did the planes!)

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008

Lord Koth posted:

So, that many Hellcats and Helldivers operating off Casablanca-class escort carriers of all things seems... unusual to say the least. Does the game not model the significant difficulties of launching and landing those off flight decks that short, or is the AI just being reckless? Or is there a bigger flattop around?

This is me guessing, I would think it would greatly increase operational chance for lost aircraft of that type

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
Are all vps equal? For example is it fine to trade 18 points of airframe for 18 pts of ships/bases?

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
In another L.P. run by Libluini (Masters Of Orion) the game engine has a limitation on how many ships can be present In a battle. So if you send space fleets and a transport fleets together, if there are too many fleets the game picks at random which goes into battle. I think this is the situation here, and the game just picked all transports. Next turn will roll the battleships and carriers.

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Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
Question, why do the Japanese planes have such Anglo names? Oscar, Bettie, and now Rita? Or are they longer Japanese style names that happened to have Anglo names encased inside of them and allied airmen just nicknamed them?

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