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Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

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:aaaaa:

Well I'll be up for the HMNZS Leander. Good luck Grey Hunter!

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Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

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Errata - Sydney is no more Australia's capital than Brisbane. The city you are looking for is Canberra that was built deliberately 100 kms from the coast to avoid 'diplomatic' naval bombardments.

My only regret is Japanese subs (other timeline) didn't do more damage to Sydney/Brisbane.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

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Ardeem posted:

I wonder if the I-400s can reach Canberra. Not that procing infinite renforcments would be a good thing, but the WTFery of that strike. :allears:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-400-class_submarine

quote:

The Seiran was specifically designed for use aboard the submarines and could carry an 800 kg (1,800 lb) bomb 1,000 km (620 mi) at 475 km/h (295 mph).
Yes?

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

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shalafi4 posted:

ok I'm used to a lot of the weirder ship designations but what on earth is a KV?
A typo in the database? KV can mean Norwegian according to wikipedia but the best I can get is AKV which is either Attack Cargo Vessel or possibly Aircraft Ferry or even a normal Ferry.

K as a designation for corvette was retired prior to WW2 but who knows what bizarre exceptions exist in this game or indeed in the reality it represents.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

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Yorkshire Tea posted:

I found the Sealion talk on the previous page super interesting. Did the Germans ever really have a plausible win point for the war? Could they have conquered all of mainland Europe, not invaded Russian during Winter, won in Northern Africa and then just peaced out of there until they got their nukes working for Britain?
We really need another thread to discuss this in but:

What if the Nazi's had accepted Chamberlain's ultimatum and retreated out of Poland? The Russians would have done the heavy lifting invasion wise and then apportioned the spoils to the Nazis under the non-aggression pact agreement.

Sealion.

On paper the French should never have been defeated in 1940. The final deciding factor in warfare is the enemy's will to fight. Who can say whether England wouldn't have capitulated in the face of an airborne invasion? The message that the two sides took away from Crete was radically different. The Allies were in awe of the power of an airborne attack and the German's were horrified by the size of the casualties sustained. In alternate history you can only rely on figures and probabilities. Actual history is usually more astonishing.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:

-Accidentally flipping a tank over on a hillside facing the enemy
"Leave him be! This one is verf more to us alive!"

A Great Uncle of mine was one of the 'lucky' New Zealanders who got to storm Monte Cassino. I'll have to transcribe his oral history of it sometime becuase it was 100% :catstare:

I'll see you that and raise you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Nu94khHoo

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

Gaj posted:

History Question:

What was the first naval strike in which carriers were the only offense tool used? The earliest example I can think of is Pearl Harbor, where the entirety of the damage caused was by carrier borne aircraft, or in some small scale air raids in China by the IJN.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Taranto

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The Battle of Taranto took place on the night of 11–12 November 1940 during the Second World War between British naval forces, under Admiral Andrew Cunningham, and Italian naval forces, under Admiral Inigo Campioni. The Royal Navy launched the first all-aircraft ship-to-ship naval attack in history, employing a small number of obsolete Fairey Swordfish biplane torpedo bombers from the aircraft carrier HMS Illustrious (R87) in the Mediterranean Sea. The attack struck the battle fleet of the Regia Marina at anchor in the harbour of Taranto using aerial torpedoes despite the shallow depth of the water. The devastation wrought by the British carrier-launched aircraft on the large Italian warships was the beginning of the ascendancy of naval aviation over the big guns of battleships. According to Admiral Cunningham, "Taranto, and the night of November 11–12, 1940, should be remembered for ever as having shown once and for all that in the Fleet Air Arm the Navy has its most devastating weapon."[2]

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
But hand wringing is what we ~do~. Also I don't think increasing Grey's workload is ultimately a great plan.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Slightly unrelated but has anyone else sniggered that the tech advance in Civ V to get submarines is refrigeration?

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

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Jobbo_Fett posted:

Congratulations Cartoon for being the first confirmed actual victim!

CL Leander was his claim
I'd like to thank the KB, obviously and Grey Hunter's ongoing commitment to sink everything with a union jack on it. I'd now like to doom claim the HMNZS Achiles. Long may she float!

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

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Jobbo_Fett posted:

oystertoadfish already claimed that. I really wanted a double claim-kill
drat it! I swore I checked. OK I'll Have HMAS Hobart.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

Grey Hunter posted:

Lets skip to the ship kills shall we?



Australian? I don't think so!

http://www.rms-rangitiki.com/

:kiwi: :argh:

Call yourselves a Grognard computer games company!? That's a joke! You hear me a joke! :smug:

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

Grey Hunter posted:

In other related news, I'm now a father.
Congratulations!

Name?

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Oh no! The update is late! Looks like we might have to induce it! Also gets better? With all kids there's a bit of a sweet spot between ~3 and 10 but then, depending on gender, you have all the issues of a teenage girl or all the worry of an irresponsible teenage boy. Once that's over you have to worry about their financial stability and basically you die before that gets better.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

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Leperflesh posted:

By that standard we should be individually naming B52s. And every other bomber capable of carrying a nuke. And hell, individual cruise missiles, too.
Memphis Belle is on the other line and wants to know why you don't love her any more.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop


Now she wants to know why you don't recognise her and won't return her calls.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Pro music gift tip! Small metal tube xylophones. Give them to the relatives kids just as they are leaving for a long car journey. They are easily the loudest, piercingest, most annoying thing out there and are decently cheap ~ :10bux:

~/~

Enemy carrier must be met with overwhelming force! Send out the Yamaoto and every destroyer too!

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
I have a wonderful vision of a bar full of Japanese submariners on Truk being respectfully asked to pay up their extensive tabs and the tearful goodbyes from local comfort women. It seemed like it could have gone on forever, alas.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
That's a repeat episode Grey-san

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

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OpenlyEvilJello posted:

Today's historical warship loss is... nothing. No further losses in my source until 2 October.
It was the best of times...

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

Leperflesh posted:

You can't even toss a lifeboat or two overboard?
They just made two whole new boats. Jess some people are never satisfied.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
A very interesting book in the context of this LP

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8608998-sunk

quote:

Sunk: The Story of the Japanese Submarine Fleet, 1941-1945 by Mochitsura Hashimoto, Edward L. Beach (Introduction)

[quote]Author Mochitsura Hashimoto was one of the few Japanese submarine captains to survive. Shortly before the end of WW2 he inflicted the greatest single loss on the U.S. Navy in its history, when he torpedoed and sank the USS Indianapolis -- soon after it had delivered parts for the first A-bomb on Hiroshima to the US base on Tinian, ironically enough. The title, however, refers to the fate of the Japanese submarine fleet. It's a tale of the bravery of doomed men in a lost cause, against impossible odds. The kaitens or human torpedoes were not the only submarine kamikazes: the whole war in the Pacific was suicide from the start. So why did Japan go into the war? Hashimoto is sharply critical of the recklessness and unpreparedness of Japan's top brass. With an introduction by Cmdr. Edward L. Beach, author of the best-seller "Submarine!"
I'm about half way through and there are some truly :dogbutton: moments. Like when during a night action and surrounded by enemy destroyers a lieutenant attempted to jump into a subs deck mounted patrol boat with a samari sword to continue the fight only to end up hanging onto the railing with one hand in the rough seas. :pirate:

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Insane multiple year LPs. A shameless honesty when it comes to bad command decisions. The occasional lame pun and now you want grammar, spelling and aesthetics!? For shame.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

Cantorsdust posted:

Holy poo poo we're actually going to have a battleship on battleship battle without any carriers in World War loving 2.

Did that ever actually happen in real life?
Most famously The Bismark and The Hood. Not Pacific theatre but your question wasn't specific.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Also Japaneses torpedoes are liquid oxygen powered. How many do you want lying around?

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Nobody can top the British for naval gently caress ups. Nobody. :britain:

http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3414

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
It will all be over by Christmas!

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

Nenonen posted:

Over by Ōmisoka, you mean.
The Japanese celebrate Christmas too :colbert:

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

Ardeem posted:

Future American ships in this timeline are going to be super battleships with costal gun mounts on them.
So copying the Tokyo Bay Fortress.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Doesn't it seem odd to you?

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Somewhere just off Luganville:

"We few, we happy few, we band of typists and other supply clerks."

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
These 'improved' graphs suck donkey balls. Can we get the old ones back?

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

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TheDemon posted:

It's a little ridiculous that there are uncovered convoys trickling through the Coral Sea.
Really?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troopship

quote:

The modern troopship has as long a history as passenger ships do, as most maritime nations enlisted their support in military operations (either by leasing the vessels or by impressing them into service) when their normal naval forces were deemed insufficient for the task. In the 19th century, navies frequently chartered civilian ocean liners, and from the start of the 20th century painted them gray and added a degree of armament; their speed, originally intended to minimize passage time for civilian user, proved valuable for outrunning submarines and enemy surface cruisers in war. HMT Olympic even rammed and sank a U-boat during one of its wartime crossings. Individual liners capable of exceptionally high speed transited without escorts; smaller or older liners with poorer performance were protected by operating in convoys.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
GH Jnr will probably do better than the IJN comand

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

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Grey Hunter posted:

We lose quite a few plans to an air raid at Rangoon.
And there was much rejoicing. For nothing good ever came out of the high command's plans.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
You call them Kiwis but from the flags they would appear to be Australians. Where are you getting the NZ info from?

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
There might be some kind of a panic response in this alternate timeline. 'US must do something to stop the spread of the Yellow Peril!' It is arguable that the Australian campaign in New Guinea was exactly this, also the whole Burma Chindits and the Doolittle raid. Without an active island campaign it would look like the mighty USA was doing bugger all to help in the Pacific theatre.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

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RA Rx posted:

Also, normally I wouldn't post any Kancolle (ship anthro series that fanservice-type anime fans like), but since it's a timeline of Axis ships/characters being built, commissioned, launched and sunk/killed... :allears: Do keep in mind it's somehwat spoiled by the wardrobe damage they take as they die, but if you can tolerate it their mass destruction and finally carpet bombing by the end wave of 'monster' torpedo bombers is a great payoff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PNEg75VDG0
Is this bannable?

Maybe it should be.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
If they were accountants I think this could be considered an acceptable loss, cost of doing business and strategic downsizing.

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Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
I've read of more but can't find actual citations in ten minutes:

quote:

On 4 March 1943, during the Battle of the Bismarck Sea, General George Kenney ordered Allied patrol boats and aircraft to attack Japanese rescue vessels, as well as the survivors from the sunken vessels on life rafts and swimming or floating in the sea. This was later justified on the grounds that rescued servicemen would have been rapidly landed at their military destination and promptly returned to active service.[75] These orders violated the Hague Convention of 1907, which banned the killing of shipwreck survivors under any circumstances.[76]

quote:

In the aftermath of the Malmedy massacre, a written order from the HQ of the 328th US Army Infantry Regiment, dated 21 December 1944, stated: No SS troops or paratroopers will be taken prisoner but will be shot on sight.[26] Major-General Raymond Hufft (US Army) gave instructions to his troops not to take prisoners when they crossed the Rhine in 1945. "After the war, when he reflected on the war crimes he authorized, he admitted, 'if the Germans had won, I would have been on trial at Nuremberg instead of them.'"[27] Stephen Ambrose related: "I've interviewed well over 1000 combat veterans. Only one of them said he shot a prisoner ... Perhaps as many as one-third of the veterans ... however, related incidents in which they saw other GIs shooting unarmed German prisoners who had their hands up."[28]

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