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Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
I claim the HMCS Chilliwack.

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Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer

Generation Internet posted:

A bold move, move, claiming a ship that never saw action in the Pacific for the entire duration of the war :v:

Personally I'd go with the HMCS Uganda (CL) every time if only because of the fact that it's the only ship in the entire war to have legally voted itself out of it after Germany was defeated. That was kind of a black eye for every other Canadian serving in the British Pacific Fleet. Too bad none of the British or Canadian stuff will really arrive until 1945/2020(!).

The Chilliwack is based out of Vancouver in this game and makes an appearance everytime an IJN sub ventures too close to the west coast.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer

I hope you also took into account your previous attempt and will hopefully plan ahead?

I seem to remember a quagmire with no end in sight at Singapore.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer

Thanatz posted:

Was the Vildebeest this scary in actual history?

No of course not. Its a biplane dating back to the early 30s.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer

goatface posted:

Some bastard has claimed my lucky ship!

Sorry I took the Chilliwack

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
Do command ships do anything in this game?

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
Aw man, I saw there was like 30 new posts and I thought some carrier battle ensued, and find out its just some Nazi apologist.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer

LLSix posted:

What flag is that over Manado? It's not USA or UK. It looks like a sideways French flag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO5wUafJgTQ&t=89s

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
Cant wait for the 5 month slugfest to start in Singapore.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
How do you save force Z? Cant the Japanese player just start attacking them with betties straight from the getgo? Do you just pray you dont take any torpedo hits ?

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
Do you plan on sending subs to the west coast? I want to see the KV Chiliwack in action.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
I don't think Grey brought enough for Singapore....

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
Arent the Littoral combat ships super expensive and relatively lightly armed?

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
That LCS program sounds like a giant clusterfuck to me. Reading into it, these ships are super expensive, are lightly armed, and are supposed to do multiple mission types, while being near invisible to radar? But in littoral waters.... ?

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
Stealthy planes I can see.

How do you make a ship stealthy? Theyre quite a bit bigger and have all sorts of things giving off emissions, and if you ever launch or fire anything I imagine it shows up quite easily on radar.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer

professor_curly posted:

Granted, we don't hear about it much, but the B-17 was designed for this exact job in mind (long range bomber flying out into the ocean, dropping bombs on ships before they can get close to shore). Was it really that much of a waste of time?

Yes. Level bombing is pretty much not going to hit poo poo unless you just saturate the area with bombers.



Thats how accurate you are with level bombing.

Thats the Hiryu being bombed by B-17s. Taking a length of ~750 feet, you have the bombers missing by at least 1000 feet, with some of the sticks going wide by like a quarter to a half mile. This is in almost perfect conditions too - no cloud cover, no AA, and probably no fighters harassment either.

Saint Celestine fucked around with this message at 00:44 on May 19, 2016

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
Goddamn. Did that troop convoy have no escorts besides a DD?

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer

TehKeen posted:

Out of curiosity, could you give a short summary? I made it about two and a half years into the old LP, I should get around to finishing it.

Imagine if the real life Iwo Jima invasion ended with everyone dying horribly and the invasion failing.

Edit: Wait is this the one where an army of support staff were landed and thats it?

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
It looks like you're sortie-ing out a small mixed fleet of fleet carriers and a CVE with only a slight numerical advantage compared to the Americans. Are you sure thats a good idea?

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer

nothing to seehere posted:

Did benghazi not have a port they could ship supplies to? Surely there was somewhere they could offload supplies between Tripoli and Alexandria.

There were ports, but they weren't big enough to handle the daily supply requirements of the Afrika Korps.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer

Drone posted:

Why in God's name are you invading Chittagong by sea? :psyduck:

:catstare:

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer

Leperflesh posted:

What are you doing in Chittagong? You're outnumbered, outgunned, they have a higher unadjusted AV, your forces are within shortrange bombing, your supply line is cut, and you're still ordering attacks?

You cannot win that fight as it stands right now and every attack only makes the disastrous invasion there worse.

:catstare:

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
Believe it or not, the real life invasion of India was an even bigger clusterfuck. lack of supplies, preparation, anti tank guns, bad leadership, all contributed to a good majority of the invasion force dying of sickness or starvation.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
Why the gently caress was the Chiliwack at Guadalcanal? Shes supposed to sit off of Vancouver all war!

Edit: Nobody has taken the Richelieu yet, so I guess ill take that. Itll be hard to sink her since she doesn't even show up until 44'

Saint Celestine fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Aug 28, 2016

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
Grey looks to be a day or two out from intercepting that American carrier.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
The hell kinda helmet is that one guy wearing? Reminds me of darth helmet.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
Soooo are you planning a relief operation for Chittagong, or is it just like.... whups, our bad?


Edit: Is the Richelieu not in this game?

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
I think you mean Rabaul?

Port Moresby is like 4,000 miles from Rangoon...

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer

Crazycryodude posted:

A) Borderline free (at least compared to having to mine, refine, and ship them otherwise) materials are good and cool, but
B) Disturbing graves

We're not QUITE desperate enough for that, give the planet a few more decades of reckless resource depletion before we start melting gravesites down into toy cars.

Uh... I hate to burst your bubble here, but its already happening.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/11187603/Celebrated-British-warships-being-stripped-bare-for-scrap-metal.html

Prince of Wales and Repulse are being illegally salvaged.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/16/three-dutch-second-world-war-shipwrecks-vanish-java-sea-indonesia

Dutch ships from the Battle of the Java sea being illegally salvaged.

Theyre even salvaging Jutland wrecks illegally.

http://thepipeline.info/blog/2016/05/22/exclusive-named-the-salvage-company-which-looted-jutland-war-graves-as-mod-fails-to-act/

So yeah, if salvagers can get to them to make a quick buck, they're already doing it.

Although, good luck with salvaging Bismarck and Yorktown and stuff, since theyre quite a bit deeper than the ones above.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
:catstare:

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
Even if Lexington didn't sink, the cruisers can chase her down tomorrow.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer

Night10194 posted:

Didn't they sink an entire BB once.

Two!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_Alexandria_(1941)

Didn't sink them, but put them out of action for the better part of a year.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
Is the IJ air force supposed to be this bad?

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
Japanese ASW sucks though, at most you might lose a couple subs, but it doesn't really matter cause they're lovely subs and the US then just shits out submarines in 43" onwards.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
How did 12 betties get damaged on a flight of 9?

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer

Comstar posted:

DD Sherman tanks will be used more heavily, so when the ships sink the tank can just drive off.

I don't think that works when your ship sinks in the middle of the pacific.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer

Murgos posted:

The problem with 12" guns is that someone else will mount 16s and hit you while you cant hit back.

Yes, but the bigger problem with 12" is that your shells literally cannot penetrate the enemy ship's belt or deck and their shells will punch right through your ship.

Edit: It looks like a 12" and a 16" can reach out to the same exact ranges. The difference is the penetration issue ^^

Saint Celestine fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Mar 7, 2017

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
What happened to that massive blob of allied ships you ran across?

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer

RZApublican posted:

Oh yeah, good point. He will have a lot of land-based aircraft in relatively safe locations that could bomb their tanks, though.

At this rate? No he wont. He needs planes to delay the capture of SE Asia for as long as possible.

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Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
Can't you conquer Winnipeg or something silly? I remember because of how the map projection is, that theres some Canadian city that is represented, and its way way inland...

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